Roast The Coach – Simon 'Standard Practice' Goodwin: Get Out.

[A11dAtP0w3R]

Now we are even after you took credit for my idea for a thread last year.

 

[tomcruise]

My favourite from the weekend

 

[Mich0]

Still don’t think throwing unproven Coach in Nathan Jones into coach our engine room was a smart decision.

Bloke doesn’t scream tactician to me as we saw last 2 weeks with our center bounce line ups at key parts of the match. I get its all warm and fuzzy but losing clearances 10-1 to start a match isn’t.

 

[Meds]

Without deflecting any attention away from Goodwin (GTFO), is it time for Chocco to feel some heat as well?
McVee, Koz, Windsor maybe the only youngsters with consistent improvement since being drafted.
I know gameplan doesn't help the kids, but when do questions get asked of him?

 

[Bluelegs]

Without deflecting any attention away from Goodwin (GTFO), is it time for Chocco to feel some heat as well?
McVee, Koz, Windsor maybe the only youngsters with consistent improvement since being drafted.
I know gameplan doesn't help the kids, but when do questions get asked of him?

IF Goodwin goes

THEN his team goes with him.

 

[A11dAtP0w3R]

Haven't we had enough assistants sacrificed for people to realise that if we are continually having the same problems Goody is the issue, not the assistants.

 

[Lord Nev]

Without deflecting any attention away from Goodwin (GTFO), is it time for Chocco to feel some heat as well?
McVee, Koz, Windsor maybe the only youngsters with consistent improvement since being drafted.
I know gameplan doesn't help the kids, but when do questions get asked of him?

This is very very slowly gaining momentum, but 1000%! He's probably later to get any heat because he's such a likeable character, but our skills, particularly the goal kicking, are a dogs breakfast and that's his specific remit.

 

[Topkent]

Haven't we had enough assistants sacrificed for people to realise that if we are continually having the same problems Goody is the issue, not the assistants.

Some people seem to think the assistants work independently of Goody rather than he tells them what the **** to do

 

[Lord Nev]

Haven't we had enough assistants sacrificed for people to realise that if we are continually having the same problems Goody is the issue, not the assistants.

The game plan sucks - Goody.
Performance overall sucks - Goody.
Skills aren't improving - Choco.

There's more than one problem, and there's more than one person to blame. The days of the head coach being the sole person responsible for everything have been over for 20 years.

 

[A11dAtP0w3R]

The game plan sucks - Goody.
Performance overall sucks - Goody.
Skills aren't improving - Choco.

There's more than one problem, and there's more than one person to blame. The days of the head coach being the sole person responsible for everything have been over for 20 years.

This isnt under 15s though, skills are pretty much developed by the time a player is drafted. If you're a bad kick when you're drafted 99% of the time you're going to be a bad kick for your AFL career too.

 

[A11dAtP0w3R]

Then nowadays clubs limit what a player can do outside too, they don't like you going off and getting say a goal kicking expert to work on your craft yourself.

 

[Lord Nev]

This isnt under 15s though, skills are pretty much developed by the time a player is drafted. If you're a bad kick when you're drafted 99% of the time you're going to be a bad kick for your AFL career too.

Yeah that's a fair call - But I would say we have a skills coach to try and improve skills, that might not take someone from a rubbish kick to elite, but there should be some kind of improvement with skills and ours have gone backwards when they were already poor to start with. Fact is, we have a specific coach in charge of this area and we absolutely suck in this area even more than we have previously so Choco absolutely should be copping heat for that, just like any coach should if their specific area sucks.

 

[A11dAtP0w3R]

Yeah that's a fair call - But I would say we have a skills coach to try and improve skills, that might not take someone from a rubbish kick to elite, but there should be some kind of improvement with skills and ours have gone backwards when they were already poor to start with. Fact is, we have a specific coach in charge of this area and we absolutely suck in this area even more than we have previously so Choco absolutely should be copping heat for that, just like any coach should if their specific area sucks.

I agree with you to a point of what are we paying him for , seems a waste of money.

 

[Topkent]

Then nowadays clubs limit what a player can do outside to, they don't like you going off and getting say a goal kicking expert to work on your craft yourself.

They also get like 3 mandatory days off, and only train a handful of hours a week. The skills can't be improved by choco coaching them for 45 minutes a week

 

[tomcruise]

Giving in a little bit, we probably want a decent CEO before we start trying to interview a new coach with a board of acting CEO, Brad Green & Alan Richardson.

 

[Bluelegs]

Giving in a little bit, we probably want a decent CEO before we start trying to interview a new coach with a board of acting CEO, Brad Green & Alan Richardson.

Yeah and as much as Green cops he would have little power over our long term future since everyone knows he's going to be stepping down in a few months.

 

[schmuttt]

Yeah I mean realistically Goody if goody is sacked it won't be till late in the season anyway. Even Neeld wasn't sacked until June.

 

[Topkent]

Champion data has us and Carlton rated the two worst ball movement sides in the competition

Imagine falling for the bullshit over summer about us changing

 

[Dancing Potato]

Champion data has us and Carlton rated the two worst ball movement sides in the competition

Imagine falling for the bullshit over summer about us changing

To be fair, we did change.

Because somehow, we actually appear to be even worse now.

 

[Topkent]

To be fair, we did change.

Because somehow, we actually appear to be even worse now.

We just didn't change though, it was token. We moved 1 or 2 guys positions around and then when the games pressure came on we bombed it long, had Oliver, Viney Trac and Sparrow in the middle, 4 tall forwards and a game built around contest.

 

[Dancing Potato]

We just didn't change though, it was token. We moved 1 or 2 guys positions around and then when the games pressure came on we bombed it long, had Oliver, Viney Trac and Sparrow in the middle, 4 tall forwards and a game built around contest.

Yeah, but we also spent a few minutes pointlessly chipping it around like every player had turned into Salem.

Only when that inevitably failed (just like it did in the first half of last year) we reverted to good ol' bomb it long shenanigans.

See? BIG CHANGES

 

[Topkent]

And just heard through champ data that our defensive game on the weekend was the worst defensive game by a Melbourne team in 10 years in terms of losing contests. We were -11 in our own defensive half.

Let's keep playing Bowey and Salem

 

[Oceanlabxo]

speedrunning spoonworthy to premiership to spoonworthy in a decade(ish) is a wild achievement. If another team takes the plunge and sacks their coach early season i reckon we might follow. especially if we go back to that era's crowd levels. didnt we get <10k to a gws game at some stage?

in a way im almost really proud of the melbourne fanbase. we're paying the club, its not the other way around. if the entertainment is non existent, why go? never understood the mantra of being fanatically loyal to your club. everyone shits on melbourne fans for not rocking up, but **** that, i'd rather do almost anything on my weekends except waste 2/3 of my day getting to and from the football to watch what they serve up for the last few years. Bring back 2018, i loved watching us play then.

 

[Meds]

And just heard through champ data that our defensive game on the weekend was the worst defensive game by a Melbourne team in 10 years in terms of losing contests. We were -11 in our own defensive half.

Let's keep playing Bowey and Salem

Did you catch the Champ Data section on SEN last night? Think it was Hoyne speaking to G Healy and someone else.

The highlights:
Contested possession has never been less important than it is today (compared to last 10 years).
For the last 9 years, teams that won the contested possession count went on to win no less than 62% of games.
This year (small sample, but still a trend) that win percentage is down to 52%. It's practically a coin toss

Conversely, the ability to transition the ball from half-back to goals, and defend the opposition transitioning from half-back to goal has never been more important.

Who does it well? Brisbane, Geelong and Hawthorn

 

[Praetorian]

Did you catch the Champ Data section on SEN last night? Think it was Hoyne speaking to G Healy and someone else.

The highlights:
Contested possession has never been less important than it is today (compared to last 10 years).
For the last 9 years, teams that won the contested possession count went on to win no less than 62% of games.
This year (small sample, but still a trend) that win percentage is down to 52%. It's practically a coin toss

Conversely, the ability to transition the ball from half-back to goals, and defend the opposition transitioning from half-back to goal has never been more important.

Who does it well? Brisbane, Geelong and Hawthorn

An extension of this concept is the less aggressive we are with ball movement, the more aggressive the other team can afford to be because they won't get punished if they turn it over.

Teams know that even if they turn it over we just kick dinky kicks around the wing.