The argument should be based of per hour for the same job. Anything else is nonsense. Most of my friends partners don’t work and they alter stats for a gender pay gap..
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Some work 1-2 days a week. I thought the stats were taken every woman vs every man?
So if 10 women work 1 day and week compared to 10 men full time that would represent a pay gap yes?
GPG = (Average male total remuneration - Average female total remuneration) / Average male total remuneration x 100. The calculation includes all employees and employee types (part time and casuals included)
Seems a very stupid way to do this when women make up nearly 70% of part time and casual workers and not even 40% of full time workers.
Calculating gender pay gaps (GPG) | WGEA
Yes but the very next line says this:Calculating gender pay gaps (GPG) | WGEA
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Calculating gender pay gaps (GPG) | WGEA
As per my previous post, this is not the case. The 10 women that work 1 day a week effectively have their pay multiplied by five before doing the calculation.
Yep.
More women not working at all does not affect the stats from a calculation point of view - but it would be interesting to consider that it very well may have an impact on the actual numbers.
What I mean here is that households (with a man/woman couple, of which there are many) where only one of the pair do paid work may very well be more likely to have that partner on a high salary. One, out of necessity, they will seek higher paying roles (compared to a couple where both work), and they may also be able to come to an arrangement where it is easier for that person to put in the time required to gain such high paying roles, as their non working (for pay) partner can cover more of the unpaid work that the household requires. And guess what, more men take on the single income role than women.
urgh. Not sure if I explained that correctly. Basically it would be good to consider the pay of all people who are in a co-domiciled relationship, and see if the average (per person) for single earners is higher than for dual earners.
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i get what you mean
its also another thing that can cause problems with who gets the priority for work time, ie both parents work but one makes more so their job takes priority
its not as bad as it used to be with guys doing school drop offs etc or having to take a day off to be home with sick kids
but there can certainly be pressure on the lower income earner to be the one who is flexible at all times which can impact their ability to earn more in the future
i have a mate who was the stay at home because his partner earned more than him
The only way to accurately measure this is same job and same experience
Hubby is a union worker in the tunnels on 250k a year and wife works for $150 a day in the local cafe once a week (x5 for the calculation) why should that meaningless differential affect the overall stats?
No, of itself this is an accurate measure.
I think what you are really disputing is if it is a useful measure.
Gender pay gap means 'today is the day that women effectively start working for free'
The gender pay gap — the difference in average pay between Australian men and women — is 11.5 per cent, which is the equivalent of working from November 19 until the end of they year without being paid for it.
www.abc.net.au
I'm a man, and therefore can't fully appreciate the experience of being a woman in Australia.
However, I have a thought: if humans don't want to go extinct, we need to have children. If you want women to have more children so that we're less reliant on immigration for population growth, you need to make it an attractive choice. Gone are the days where women will have lots of kids just because.
When you have a kid, someone has to look after them. There is no getting around that. Yes there is child care, grandparents and so on, but one or both of the parents is going to take at least a few weeks (more likely a few months) out of the work force when bub is born. (Edit: One or both parents is likely to work part-time for years when the kids are still young).
In most families, this falls on the mother by default due to culture, the mother having a lower-paid job to begin with, and breastfeeding.
I can speak from experience that I became a more active father when I got more flexibility and time off from work.
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Gender pay gap means 'today is the day that women effectively start working for free'
The gender pay gap — the difference in average pay between Australian men and women — is 11.5 per cent, which is the equivalent of working from November 19 until the end of they year without being paid for it.
I'm a man, and therefore can't fully appreciate the experience of being a woman in Australia.
However, I have a thought: if humans don't want to go extinct, we need to have children. If you want women to have more children so that we're less reliant on immigration for population growth, you need to make it an attractive choice. Gone are the days where women will have lots of kids just because.
When you have a kid, someone has to look after them. There is no getting around that. Yes there is child care, grandparents and so on, but one or both of the parents is going to take at least a few weeks (more likely a few months) out of the work force when bub is born. (Edit: One or both parents is likely to work part-time for years when the kids are still young).
In most families, this falls on the mother by default due to culture, the mother having a lower-paid job to begin with, and breastfeeding.
I can speak from experience that I became a more active father when I got more flexibility and time off from work.
Yes. Equal pay in the workforce comes with equal sharing (societally / not necessarily in every single household) of parenting duties.
Until primary parenting stops being culturally normal for mothers and "a bit different" for fathers... equal pay can only come with a rigging of the system to correct for that gap.
