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List Mgmt. The Kelly and All Draft and Trades Discussion Thread- #freetim #ITSHAPPENING
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I think most west coast supporters would like that too!!!
U guys are absolute nuffies!!!
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Yeah, but in VIc he would have been rookied
Given the rubbish 5hat is on lists
Ignoring Kelly for the moment...
Who on our list do we see stepping up this season?
Do we see Bailey as a Fwd/Ruck?
I noticed this season that Waterman & Masten were the ones running up & down the opposite wing to most of the action to provide an option that wasn't often used. Does that continue (obv with someone replacing Masten)?
If we were to lose 2 tall defenders to injury like 2015 who would we look at stepping up?
Who on our list do we see stepping up this season?
Do we see Bailey as a Fwd/Ruck?
I noticed this season that Waterman & Masten were the ones running up & down the opposite wing to most of the action to provide an option that wasn't often used. Does that continue (obv with someone replacing Masten)?
If we were to lose 2 tall defenders to injury like 2015 who would we look at stepping up?
Freo have seemed to have liked tall mids in recent history.
Lots to unpack here.
I don't recall saying "he has such an impact in the guts". Why they moved him is a matter for St Kilda - I'm not particularly aware of how they line up to be honest. They did bring Hannebury in during the off season, maybe that had something to do with his move? Saints fans tend to agree that he was tracking very well in the midfield before they moved him.
I'm not "making excuses" for Acres, I'm explaining why he went from averaging 21 touches a game in 2018 to 16 touches a game in 2019, the stat you would have no doubt drawn upon to say that "Blake Acres feels a lot like Masten Jnr except he gets even less of the ball". The year before he was getting more ball than Masten or SPP, so I'm pointing out that your comment was just a little disingenuous.
It's a bit laughable to criticise Acres for playing on a flank for St Kilda while in the same breath lamenting the fact that SPP was repeatedly dropped from his similarly crap team. You can do better than that.
SPP is younger, and I acknowledged that in my first post comparing the two. His issue though is that he has shown almost zero improvement from his first season. He came in about as ready made as a player could be, and he doesn't win more of the ball or use it any better than he did in his first season.
In terms of your last paragraph, I totally disagree. We have plenty of mids that can play in the guts - Shuey, Yeo, Sheed and Redden are all predominantly inside midfielders, as is Kelly. How would you propose we play SPP in the guts with those five running around? We're actually a pretty good clearance team, coming 6th in the league for clearances but dead last for contested ball winning, which tells you that the guys in the guts are good at getting the ball but the other guys - the guys on the HFF or wing - aren't.
What we need are players in other positions that can win their own ball. For example, if we replace Masten on a wing with someone who offers better ball winning than Masto while still being able to perform the role required of a wingman, we improve our contested ball winning ability overall. We have just lost one of our two senior wingmen, and I'm proposing that Acres could be a replacement.
You seem to be sidestepping my points and abandoning your own, so tell me again why Acres is Masten Jnr, SPP's kicking is actually pretty good and why SPP has more hurt factor?
His hack kicks a side, Sheed is a much better contested player than he's on the outside. His hands congestion are elite and his best footy over the last 12 months have come when he's been inside. Goes missing when used more as an outside option.
2018 finals series case and point.
Re: Acres: I rate him highly as a talent and feel that he has so far failed to deliver upon the potential he has. Being played out of position over and over again because he is 190cm tall doesn't help either. The greatest argument against him in my opinion he that is an outside player that breaks down easily.
West Coast were very heavily into him at the start of the season, with a view to him serving as a Hurn/Jetta replacement that could rotate through the midfield more often. His injury history and continued injury issues this year ended that interest however.
Prior to Lyon's sacking I did hear that Fremantle were interested if he were available, but have seen nothing since then.
If the B.Hill to St Kilda deal gets done, I would expect Acres will be packaged up as part of it.
West Coast were very heavily into him at the start of the season, with a view to him serving as a Hurn/Jetta replacement that could rotate through the midfield more often. His injury history and continued injury issues this year ended that interest however.
Prior to Lyon's sacking I did hear that Fremantle were interested if he were available, but have seen nothing since then.
If the B.Hill to St Kilda deal gets done, I would expect Acres will be packaged up as part of it.
Really from my reading Geelong don't want Kelly at WCE full stop . Desperately trying to trade to Freo because Gablett has re-signed for another premiership , Geelong don't want a contender like WCE with a player of the quality of Kelly playing for us .
Bizarre attitude they have no faith in their team and what they could do with another couple of good picks , sure Kelly has improved but there is no guarantee he will make us great .
Crickey they are insecure .
Bizarre attitude they have no faith in their team and what they could do with another couple of good picks , sure Kelly has improved but there is no guarantee he will make us great .
Crickey they are insecure .
Well lets look at it over their careers.
Blake Acres and Sam Powell-Pepper AFL Stats Comparison
Blake Acres and Sam Powell-Pepper AFL Stats Comparison.
www.footywire.com
You tell me which looks to have a better hurt factor and contested ball winning ability especially taking into account SPP is two years younger?
The fact is since nobody really watches St Kilda games means all we have to go on is numbers.
You are looking to replace Masten. I am not. Masten was simply a byproduct of very poor midfield depth. The fact that the second we got a sniff that we had Kelly we dropped Masten like a sack of potatoes says a lot.
I don't want another Masten or a similiar type. We just don't need them. Add to that our young midfielder stocks in the WAFL look weak. MAllen and Mutimer are probably going to be delisted and Ainsworth still can't drop the ball properly.
You name a bunch of players you think are inside mids for us.
Well according to this guys analysis this is how our midfielders compare (from Assessing the Midfield thread):
Outside of rucks we have 2 dedicated inside mids: Yeo and Redden with Shuey being almost neutral. Add to that Yeo is often tagging which leaves Shuey and Redden as our sole contested ball winners. Redden and Shuey will both be 29 at the start of next season and who are we looking at replacing them since inside mids tend to burn out the fastest?
Would love SPP and Acres and Kelly
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I reckon while he definitely goes missing when playing forward flank, he’s much more effective when he’s got space to dispose of the ball.
For that reason I think we need to work out how to utilise him on the spread rather than relying on him to do the heavy lifting. He’s too easily pressured out of it
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Seriously need some young midfielders who can win the contested ballWell lets look at it over their careers.
Blake Acres and Sam Powell-Pepper AFL Stats Comparison
Blake Acres and Sam Powell-Pepper AFL Stats Comparison.www.footywire.com
You tell me which looks to have a better hurt factor and contested ball winning ability especially taking into account SPP is two years younger?
The fact is since nobody really watches St Kilda games means all we have to go on is numbers.
You are looking to replace Masten. I am not. Masten was simply a byproduct of very poor midfield depth. The fact that the second we got a sniff that we had Kelly we dropped Masten like a sack of potatoes says a lot.
I don't want another Masten or a similiar type. We just don't need them. Add to that our young midfielder stocks in the WAFL look weak. MAllen and Mutimer are probably going to be delisted and Ainsworth still can't drop the ball properly.
You name a bunch of players you think are inside mids for us.
Well according to this guys analysis of how our midfielders compare:
Outside of rucks we have 2 inside mids: Yeo and Redden with Shuey being almost neutral. Redden and Shuey will both be 29 at the start of next season and who are we looking at replacing them since inside mids tend to burn out the fastest?
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I reckon he needs to learn how to apply some defensive pressure otherwise he's just going to end up a massive liability
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Couldn't agree more
Yeah I’d usually say that but I’m trying to cut down...
In today's HS.
Staggering comments by Bucky.
Former Hawthorn recruiter Gary Buckenara said refusing a trade would be “pig-headed” as the Cats needed to maximise their return.
He also said it was now up to Geelong to aid Freo’s sell.
“Geelong will help them do that, I would’ve thought. Clubs will help other clubs get a deal done if it’s in their best interest,” Buckenara said yesterday.
“Fremantle have got to sell their club with Nat Fyfe and (new coach Justin) Longmuir and wrap their arms around Tim Kelly.
“Whatever outside help West Coast has offered for your kids and your family, we’ll do the same and more for you. Sell belief that you’re on the right track and will play finals.
“Geelong needs to convince Kelly to do the right thing by us, because we’ve done the right thing by you.”
Staggering comments by Bucky.
Former Hawthorn recruiter Gary Buckenara said refusing a trade would be “pig-headed” as the Cats needed to maximise their return.
He also said it was now up to Geelong to aid Freo’s sell.
“Geelong will help them do that, I would’ve thought. Clubs will help other clubs get a deal done if it’s in their best interest,” Buckenara said yesterday.
“Fremantle have got to sell their club with Nat Fyfe and (new coach Justin) Longmuir and wrap their arms around Tim Kelly.
“Whatever outside help West Coast has offered for your kids and your family, we’ll do the same and more for you. Sell belief that you’re on the right track and will play finals.
“Geelong needs to convince Kelly to do the right thing by us, because we’ve done the right thing by you.”
especially after he +Gov both had their pants lowered in several games after that...if you do that sort of stuff, wanna make sure you're consistently good, like untouchable good!
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