Roast The Non Goal: F*** the AFL, court injunction?

[WetCrow1991]

Pure garbage.

No, I didn't say that

I already said the 2017 was a bit of an exception because the long-suffering Tiger Army was at it's most feral

But in general, when it's a Vic team vs Eagles, Dockers, Crows, Power, Lions or Swans then the Grand Final atmosphere is more neutral than any final played at non-Victorian venues. It's not the one-sided cauldron that some of you seem to think. Lotta lotta neutrals there in attendance.. Same number of club members from each team sitting up in the nosebleeds.... Maybe not 50-50 all around the ground... Obviosuly there is a bias towards the Victorian team, but you get FAR MORE parochial crowds in Perth, Sydney or Adelaide.

It's just a fact. I'm not sure why it's so hard for any of you to belioeve.

Most club members miss out on getting a ticket.

 

[Geoffa32]

I could be such better in My eyes, how about giving us band 1 when Doedee or Crouch leave instead of some hack like Mackay. That’s the compensation I want


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That would be nice.


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[Jirkago75]

I was talking about the +1 advantage of 11 games with home ground advantage vs 10 away games

If you're talking about the number of traveling games throughout the season, getting on plane, sleeping in a hotel bed, etc, then the Crows are the same as most other clubs. When people bang on about clubs playing 17 MCG games, they are focused on the Richmond's and the Collingwood's.. Those big molly-coddled Vic clubs are the exception.

The Hawks travelled 10 times this year... the same as Adelaide.

I don't understand why people are always moaning about this stuff. This is the AFL. It is what it is. Why does everyone continually moan about it?

Don't get me wrong... I totally get people being pissed off about bad umpiring and decisions which don't go your way. You guys suffered a cruel blow last weekend. I would also be livid and wanna burn down the AFL headquarters. Maybe this is the wrong time & place for me to be posting here. You guys need to vent and find some outlet for your anger. I get it. A goal umpiring error has cost you a place in the finals. It's sh*t. I feel your pain. There's no lulz from me.

But why do some people always think it's their club who is being deliberately victimised? I mean, the people who constantly whine about the umpires and think it's an AFL conspiracy against their club. A vendetta by Victorians to stitch you up.

People should follow the sport and enjoy the game... But maybe they need to find another hobby if it brings them no happiness.. If following the AFL is just never-ending source of complaints about how unfair everything it is, then why bother?


The Grand Final at the MCG is the perfect example... That's where the game is played. Always has been. That is not changing. Locked in for the next 50 years. Sure, that's an advantage for some Vic clubs, in terms of travel and ground familiarity, but it isn't a home game. I would LOVE to see every Hawthorn member get a GF ticket, but we don't. Competing clubs get the same number of tickets. The crowd roars for both teams on Grand Final day. It's not a 100% partisan crowd like finals played in Adelaide, Perth, Sydney or Brisbane.

The Crows, Eagles and Swans might suffer a disadvantage on Grand Final day, but they have a more advantageous path to the Grand Final when they finish 1st or 2nd. They play a home final in Week 1 and a home Prelim Final with the entire stadium rocking. That's a massive home ground advantage for them. Nothing like that at the G. Compare that to Hawthorn or Richmond finishing on top of the ladder and playing finals versus 4th-placed Collingwood, Melbourne or Geelong where they get no advantage at all.

It's all just part of the vagaries of the AFL competition. Teams get advantaged in some ways and they get disadvantaged in others.

Money is usually the underlying motivation for everything. The AFL is a business.

Your argument is fair enough but with the grand final always being at the MCG, every club should play there 3 times a year instead of going there 1 before a grand final.


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[Geoffa32]

It's a legit question, I ask

Some of you guys don't seem to comprehend what I'm saying about Grand Finals
I suspect you're just basing your opinions on what you see on TV. If you'd been to a few GF's, then you would know.

I don't really give a sh*t. It's just funny to me that you're arguing with me about it and saying "what a load of crap!"
I'm just telling you how it is. But you guys can think whatever you like. No skin off my nose.

See ya, guys. Good luck next year. You've got a good team. Rachele looks like a beauty.

If we had a chance to get to a GF as easily as MCC members we would probably have a better understanding about what you are talking about.....

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[Back One Out]

Lol, I gather you were drinking heaps if you think grand final noise is neutral where a non-victorian team is playing...

I didn't say it was "neutral"

I said it was "more neutral than the September crowds in Adelaide and Perth or Sydney"

e.g.

45,000 barracking for the Hawks
20,000 barracking for the Dockers
25,000 neutrals sitting there quietly enjoying the game
10,000 neutrals barracking for one team or the other

(I always barrack for the non-Vic team to beat Pies, Blues, Bombers or Cats in finals.. F**k them! )

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

I didn't say it was "neutral"

I said it was "more neutral than the September crowds in Adelaide and Perth or Sydney"

You don't understand the meaning of neutral...

You can't be more neutral! It's either neutral or not.

 

[Geoffa32]

I cannot see how we will be given list concessions that set us apart from the other clubs. Our compo will almost certainly be purely financial. I'm even wondering about our schedule being not even improved based upon our watchability because the AFL won't want it to look like other clubs have missed out on what they deserve.

The compensation is a tough one.


End of the day, it was one bad umpire call.


Yes it has cost us our spot in the Finals. But in terms of bad umpiring costing games and giving out compo, where do you draw the line.

If the AFL set a precedent for compo, what do they do when another bad decision is made near the end of a game.

Rewarding our players and club financially is probably the fairest option. As it doesn't give us an advantage over the other clubs and we are really just receiving what we earnt anyway.


We should get the better draw on the back of our performance and how great our games are to watch.



The big change out of this will probably the actual goal review system.

They need to change the kick out situation. An opposition team should not be able to stop a review with a kick out.

Give more power to field and boundary umpires to assist in calling for a review.

And review all close scoring shots, basically what they have done this weekend.

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[Twist_of_Lemon]

You don't understand the meaning of neutral...

You can't be more neutral! That is NOT neutral.

Weasel words from a disingenuous individual. Special pleading about 2017 being an exception to the neutral rule is pure babble.

 

[Back One Out]

You say quite a lot....none of which this board gives a flying * about...

Okay.. Stop replying to me then and I won't reply to you.

 

[WetCrow1991]

People keep bringing up the 70 seconds left thing, but if the game was officiated correctly we would have received a free kick after the goal due to the Swans smacking the goal post padding. Honestly even with it being called a behind, we should have gotten a free kick.

 

[Back One Out]

Better still the Hawthorn board is over yonder >>>>>>>>>>

Nah, I never post on the Hawthorn board. Echo chambers are boring.
Prefer talking about the footy with people in general.

I used to sit in a Hawthorn members section, but I never really liked it much. Everyone cheering and booing in unison.
Prefer to stand up the back where it's a mixed crowd and have a bit of banter

 

[WetCrow1991]

Okay.. Stop replying to me then and I won't reply to you.

No one is forcing you to reply champ.

 

[1970crow]

The compensation is a tough one.


End of the day, it was one bad umpire call.


Yes it has cost us our spot in the Finals. But in terms of bad umpiring costing games and giving out compo, where do you draw the line.

If the AFL set a precedent for compo, what do they do when another bad decision is made near the end of a game.

Rewarding our players and club financially is probably the fairest option. As it doesn't give us an advantage over the other clubs and we are really just receiving what we earnt anyway.


We should get the better draw on the back of our performance and how great our games are to watch.



The big change out of this will probably the actual goal review system.

They need to change the kick out situation. An opposition team should not be able to stop a review with a kick out.

Give more power to field and boundary umpires to assist in calling for a review.

And review all close scoring shots, basically what they have done this weekend.

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invest in better tech but let the game play on, review separately to the game. Overall, I think too much is made of it anyway. Umpires cost teams games, not as obviously as this one, but they have and will continue to do. Plus there's no way it can get perfect, checking a potential touch on a ball when hacked out of a contest 40m from goal will be impossible. If they can't get the tech bulletproof, I'd dump the entire thing and just accept the cockups like we do with field and boundary umpiring.

 

[1970crow]

People keep bringing up the 70 seconds left thing, but if the game was officiated correctly we would have received a free kick after the goal due to the Swans smacking the goal post padding. Honestly even with it being called a behind, we should have gotten a free kick.

I don't think that free kick was there at all. But on the balance of probabilities, the error cost us the match, the 70 seconds left is relevant only to the extent that it's little enough to ensure our claim would meet the civil action burden of proof.

 

[WetCrow1991]

I don't think that free kick was there at all. But on the balance of probabilities, the error cost us the match, the 70 seconds left is relevant only to the extent that it's little enough to ensure our claim would meet the civil action burden of proof.

The padding moved due to player interference.

 

[FR0GGY]

* 70 seconds, demand a whole game. You might be able to get an ally in the broadcasters / media with that, because they make money.

Just declaring that you'll never get something without ever actually trying for it is what our club did do. And the result is we got the worst possible result.

Hell they replayed a grand final, replaying it for a side that actually won is child’s play.

 

[1970crow]

The padding moved due to player interference.

which you can do, just not deliberately.

 

[mick500]

So if crows would have won like they should've , we'd be playing saints if Carlton beat gws or Carlton if gws beat Carlton. Both winnable games either way, then would've been port at home once they lose to Brisbane. Doubt we would've gone further than that, but it would've been nice to knock port out in straight sets.

Just double checked and it would've been the loser of Melbourne Collingwood if gws win today, if Carlton win today it would've been the loser of port and Brisbane in the elimination final.

 

[MsTopG]

You actually believe the noise at the 17 grand final was neutral?

The umpiring certainly wasn't. It was a heist. The great premiership robbery.

 

[glengowan]

which you can do, just not deliberately.

Mills intentionally touched the post, which resulted in the noise that made the umpire give it a point. There was no one else near him. At the very least, this should’ve resulted in a tribunal hearing. I’m disappointed the Crows didn’t go down this angle and at the very least advocate for a replay of the game in the bye weekend.

 

[Gtowncrow]

Nah, I never post on the Hawthorn board. Echo chambers are boring.
Prefer talking about the footy with people in general.

I used to sit in a Hawthorn members section, but I never really liked it much. Everyone cheering and booing in unison.
Prefer to stand up the back where it's a mixed crowd and have a bit of banter

Why not join us for a MCG game next year. We'll give you some Crows paraphernalia to wear and two things will magically happen. Firstly, you'll have a better understanding of the term, neutral. The second is that you're guaranteed to be given "unique" feedback by your fellow spectators.
Just saying...

 

[MsTopG]

Mills intentionally touched the post, which resulted in the noise that made the umpire give it a point. There was no one else near him. At the very least, this should’ve resulted in a tribunal hearing. I’m disappointed the Crows didn’t go down this angle and at the very least advocate for a replay of the game in the bye weekend.

There was no need for a replay. The AFL should have awarded 4 points to the crows as well as the swans. It's not our fault an umpire can't do their job properly. This would have resulted in the correct team making the finals which was us.

 

[WetCrow1991]

which you can do, just not deliberately.

It was deliberate

 

[adelaidecrows]

I think the crows did the right thing by not going over board with the protest. Everyone was going berserk at the AFL anyway. If we whinged, complained and protested as much as our fans would have liked, we would have not only achieved nothing other than what we got, but we would have come across as whingers.

Humans make mistakes, the point was made as it stood that the AFL failed in its established processes. It would have been completely unfair to smash a goal umpire for a single mistake when players make mistakes all the time and so do field umpires. Most of which can cost games.

We got our point across and were able to be the bigger entity.

 

[1970crow]

It was deliberate

not how I saw it.