Oppo Camp The non North football discussion thread II

[Passmore]

Can anybody recall what the crowd reaction was to Nicky Winmar the weeks after the lifting of the jumper incident at Vic Park, I can't actually recall any supporter backlash.

Winmar was loved. Long is respected for his actions. Goodes just pisses people off. Always has. They way he goes about the game shits me. Same with Sam Mitchell and Joel Selwood. In the same way LT and Boomer would piss me off if I barracked for someone else.

I'm not sure who could be bothered booing all day at the footy though . Do they stop when getting a beer and pie or do they keep booing?

To me it's more stupid people booing a ****wit of a footballer rather than racially motivated. Sadly people in the spotlight are now too scared to question Goodes for fear of being seen as racist or not enlightened.

 

[Only Forwards]

If you still boo him now, you are a flog at best, a racial apologist in reality and a racist at worst.

If you were booing him previously every possibility that you were those things anyway.

Insecure idiotic sheep.

 

[Mr. Blonde]

So I should have my right to express my displeasure taken away despite having absolutely no politically incorrect intentions?

Anyone who tells me that can go drown in a river.

You can boo whoever you want to boo. It's not illegal so go for it, BUT, just know that you will be seen as racist by a vast majority of people if you do choose to boo him, even if you aren't a racist.

My advice to you would be to just enjoy the game and not watch it with a negative mindset. You should be thankful you are watching one of the all-time greats in Adam Goodes play the game.

 

[DarkPhoenix]

As I said on the MB, it's impossible to have a fair and reasoned debate around the issue because someone will always play the "racist" card. Once that card is played there's no arguing back, damned if you do, damned if you don't.

You could write a thousand page essay on why you dislike Adam Goodes backed up with perfectly acceptable examples and evidence of floggishness and it would only take one person to say "Nah, racist" and it's completely undermined.

 

[Mr. Blonde]

I have read many times on here that people think Adam Goodes is a douche. Can anyone tell me why they think he's a douche? What has he done that is so douche-like that he deserves to be booed for the last 12 months?

 

[Mr Reliable]

I honestly can't recall and I'm only interested because Winmar was a much loved player prior to the incident.

Where as Goodes was the opposite, he was disliked well before any incident or Australian of the Year award.

Either way it doesn't mean anything or excuse some people's behaviour, I'm just curious.

I can't recall persistent booing of anyone to compare with the booing of Goodes.

People say the Krakouers were booed on sight, but I don't recall it. Same with Carey. I have a vague recollection of Stan Magro being booed for a season or two (maybe until he retired) by Blues supporters after knocking out Jezza at Princes Park one day.

Maybe Adrian McAdam was booed by opposition supporters when he got the footy - not in the early days when he was kicking all those goals, but later after he had shown the opposition players the ball and (worse still) after he had jumped out of the way a couple of times.

 

[DarkPhoenix]

I have read many times on here that people think Adam Goodes is a douche. Can anyone tell me why they think he's a douche? What has he done that is so douche-like that he deserves to be booed for the last 12 months?

Like I said, the booing is out of hand, shouldn't have been boo'd for 12 months straight.

Why I dislike 'Goodesy'?

Umpires pet, constant whiner, one of the most (subtly) dirty players in the game. Constantly treated differently to other players on field based on his reputation and sulks when it doesn't go his way.

My dislike for him has nothing to do with his AOTY award or his race, I couldn't even tell you what he does for aboriginal communities because my distaste for him has nothing to do with it so I haven't researched it.

I just find him to be a complete dick of a bloke on the sports field, probably an A+ bloke out in public but he's a/has been a tosser on field.

 

[Harris 10]

I can't recall persistent booing of anyone to compare with the booing of Goodes.

People say the Krakouers were booed on sight, but I don't recall it. Same with Carey. I have a vague recollection of Stan Magro being booed for a season or two (maybe until he retired) by Blues supporters after knocking out Jezza at Princes Park one day.

Maybe Adrian McAdam was booed by opposition supporters when he got the footy - not in the early days when he was kicking all those goals, but later after he had shown the opposition players the ball and (worse still) after he had jumped out of the way a couple of times.

Jimmy and Phil weren't booed to the extent of Goodes but the abuse of them was horrendous.
I'll never forget the abuse Jimmy copped playing for Werribee against
Williamstown one day, some of the saddest human behaviour I've ever witnessed.

 

[TooUglyForFugly]

I have read many times on here that people think Adam Goodes is a douche. Can anyone tell me why they think he's a douche? What has he done that is so douche-like that he deserves to be booed for the last 12 months?

Wonder how that girl feels nowadays after being publicly shamed years ago ...

 

[Mr. Blonde]

Like I said, the booing is out of hand, shouldn't have been boo'd for 12 months straight.

Why I dislike 'Goodesy'?

Umpires pet, constant whiner, one of the most (subtly) dirty players in the game. Constantly treated differently to other players on field based on his reputation and sulks when it doesn't go his way.

My dislike for him has nothing to do with his AOTY award or his race, I couldn't even tell you what he does for aboriginal communities because my distaste for him has nothing to do with it so I haven't researched it.

I just find him to be a complete dick of a bloke on the sports field, probably an A+ bloke out in public but he's a/has been a tosser on field.

Just can't see it myself. I see him as a champion of the game for almost 20 years, someone who has been suspended for a total of 2 games during this time and, as has been pointed out, never been one to receive more than his share of free kicks. I just can't see what he does to be called a douche or a flog.

As for off field, you can read about what he does for indigenous youth here http://www.go-foundation.org/

 

[Mr. Blonde]

Wonder how that girl feels nowadays after being publicly shamed years ago ...

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-05-25/goodes-gutted-but-places-no-blame/4712772

Worth a read, especially if you are going to keep bringing up this incident.

 

[kangaspurs]

Wonder how that girl feels nowadays after being publicly shamed years ago ...

She was a teen at the time and at that age one should know better than to call someone an ape. It's ridiculous to defend her for her naivety and a lack of understanding; would she have called someone of anglo-saxon heritage an ape? Of course she wouldn't have, she used that language because he's indigenous. Wherever this sort of attitude comes out in someone who should know better it should be absolutely pointed out. We can't stand for that sort of shit, even from a teenager and he was right to point it out. She's not the ****ing victim here, like it or not Goodes is a victim and he represents a community of people who have been victims for the last 2 and a half centuries, if he feel he has to stand for that victimhood and make a statement about it, then more power to him.

 

[kangaspurs]

So I should have my right to express my displeasure taken away despite having absolutely no politically incorrect intentions?

Anyone who tells me that can go drown in a river.

Sorry, I should have put this in the other quote. Don't you realise that by booing alongside the racists, even for an entirely different motivation, you're tacitly endorsing their actions, empowering them, making them feel as though they are vindicated in their booing. Surely recognising that and ceasing should be of a higher priority than expressing your displeasure at one sportsman? You have the option to vent your hatred with friends, on the internet and in a whole heap of other mediums so surely it's worth giving up the booing for a couple of hours on the weekend to make a stand that says you dont stand with the racist element of the crowd?

 

[kangaspurs]

Like I said, the booing is out of hand, shouldn't have been boo'd for 12 months straight.

Why I dislike 'Goodesy'?

Umpires pet, constant whiner, one of the most (subtly) dirty players in the game. Constantly treated differently to other players on field based on his reputation and sulks when it doesn't go his way.

My dislike for him has nothing to do with his AOTY award or his race, I couldn't even tell you what he does for aboriginal communities because my distaste for him has nothing to do with it so I haven't researched it.

I just find him to be a complete dick of a bloke on the sports field, probably an A+ bloke out in public but he's a/has been a tosser on field.

Do you, or anyone else who uses this defence, also boo all of Ablett, Selwood, Judd, Dal Santo, Harvey, Mitchell, Hodge, Fletcher, Heppell, Goddard, Cameron and a heap of other players every single time they touch the ball then? Because every one of them could be accused of one, or all, of the things of which you accuse Goodes. Those players don't get booed all the time to the extent that Goodes does, so ask yourself why?

 

[DarkPhoenix]

Do you, or anyone else who uses this defence, also boo all of Ablett, Selwood, Judd, Dal Santo, Harvey, Mitchell, Hodge, Fletcher, Heppell, Goddard, Cameron and a heap of other players every single time they touch the ball then? Because every one of them could be accused of one, or all, of the things of which you accuse Goodes. Those players don't get booed all the time to the extent that Goodes does, so ask yourself why?

Who said I boo?

I said I dislike Goodes.

And out of that list above I also dislike: Ablett, Selwood, Judd, Mitchell, Goddard.

*gasp* Racism.

 

[TooUglyForFugly]

I still hate Barry Hall. I'm baldist.

 

[kangaspurs]

Who said I boo?

I said I dislike Goodes.

And out of that list above I also dislike: Ablett, Selwood, Judd, Mitchell, Goddard.

*gasp* Racism.

Apologies, I thought in a previous comment you said you did but then stopped when you became uncomfortable about it. It's still a question worth asking though, why don't those guys get booed to the same extent that Goodes does if the reason Goodes gets booed is because he's a 'flog?'

 

[SMaturin]

Apologies, I thought in a previous comment you said you did but then stopped when you became uncomfortable about it. It's still a question worth asking though, why don't those guys get booed to the same extent that Goodes does if the reason Goodes gets booed is because he's a 'flog?'

Because the others aren't uppity blacks.

 

[DarkPhoenix]

Apologies, I thought in a previous comment you said you did but then stopped when you became uncomfortable about it. It's still a question worth asking though, why don't those guys get booed to the same extent that Goodes does if the reason Goodes gets booed is because he's a 'flog?'

What I meant was that I CAN'T boo him even though I dislike him because some tossers decided that it HAS to be racially motivated, you can't just dislike someone nowadays. Race card is pulled to counter anything and everything, it's losing its impact.

 

[Cold Gin]

I agree the booing has gone too far.

I also believe that the crowd has a right to boo.

I also believe that a SMALL minority boo due to racially motivated beliefs but the MAJORITY of people Boo because they think he's an absolute spanner and are just expressing themselves in a way that has become main stream recently.

If there were so many racists in the crowd why don't Wells, Rioli, Thomas (who probably has given fans a reason to boo) etc get boo'd every game?

I actually find it incredibly offensive the way that the media and the AFL have labelled those who boo racists. I pride myself in being inclusive and friendly to people from all nations and the insinuation by these people that I am a racist if I choose to boo Goodes is as offensive as the boo's being targeted at Goodes.

I won't be booing Goodes because some **** sticks have decided any boo aimed his way labels you a racist, and that in itself is oppression of free expression in my view.

This all could have been avoided if Goodes had kept his teary eyes out of the media for a week or two and just pretended it didn't affect him. If the AFL and Sydney didn't come out labelling everyone racists. If it had all simply been ignored for 2 bloody weeks people would have gotten bored and stopped doing it, just like they did with Booing Jobe. Hell, if he'd thrown his bloody imaginary spear toward the center of the ground rather than at the bloody fans it would have died in the arse as well.

But no, people couldn't refrain from commenting, they had to take the racism and oppression angle and a ) give fuel to actual racists and b ) incite those who were offended by having their freedom of expression challenged and being labelled racists.

I feel for Adam, I do. But the bloke has brought a large part of it upon himself and he needs to admit to that and it might go some way to stopping people from doing what they're doing.

Terrific post. Echos my thoughts perfectly.

 

[niko11]

Sorry, I should have put this in the other quote. Don't you realise that by booing alongside the racists, even for an entirely different motivation, you're tacitly endorsing their actions, empowering them, making them feel as though they are vindicated in their booing. Surely recognising that and ceasing should be of a higher priority than expressing your displeasure at one sportsman? You have the option to vent your hatred with friends, on the internet and in a whole heap of other mediums so surely it's worth giving up the booing for a couple of hours on the weekend to make a stand that says you're dont stand with the racist element of the crowd?

Well said and i understand ur side of the argument i really do!
But the funny thing is i don't even Boo Goodes im just on the other side of the argument that i won't go into. Yet others in here have labelled all of us Rascist!!!

I and others have defended why we don't like Goodes and havent called anyone in here Rascist or Nazi or anything!
Its riduculous(not u Kangaspur) that some are just copying what Sydney have come out and said and using the Rascist card.
Winmar did one action by lifting his jumper to show he's skin and that was all Class and had more of an Impact on me than any other player did..

 

[kangaspurs]

What I meant was that I CAN'T boo him even though I dislike him because some tossers decided that it HAS to be racially motivated, you can't just dislike someone nowadays. Race card is pulled to counter anything and everything, it's losing its impact.

I think people have decided that the booing is racially motivated because part of it actually is racially motivated. It's obviously not across the board but surely, by now, people that boo because they think he's a flog recognise that there are elements of the crowd that do boo for reasons of race and realise that they should stop for fear of being seen as endorsing them.

 

[Ischenko]

I have read many times on here that people think Adam Goodes is a douche. Can anyone tell me why they think he's a douche? What has he done that is so douche-like that he deserves to be booed for the last 12 months?

Called out the endemic racism that simmers just below the surface of Australian society. Used his position as a prominent indigenous man to highlight the systematic mistreatment of Australia's first people. Confronted white Australia with some uncomfortable truths about our comfortable society.

 

[koshari]

iam not a racist...but.

I still hate Barry Hall. I'm baldist.

i hate Barry Hall as well, and i am bald! do you like G A JNR?

 

[niko11]

I still hate Barry Hall. I'm baldist.

I dont like Mitchell probably makes me a corkist..