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Opinion The Offically Unofficial BF Answer to Danyle Pearces worthiness to Freo
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Reginald Perrin
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During D. Pearce’s two years at Freo FC, the team has taken the field 49 times.
Most games played 2013/14:
D. Pearce 49
Crowley 49
Mzungu 48
Mayne 47
Spurr 47
Dawson 46
Duffield 46
Mundy 46
Barlow 43
Suban 43
Fyfe 42
Ballas 41
Johnson 41
Clearly someone must believe he’s doing a pretty good job.
Most games played 2013/14:
D. Pearce 49
Crowley 49
Mzungu 48
Mayne 47
Spurr 47
Dawson 46
Duffield 46
Mundy 46
Barlow 43
Suban 43
Fyfe 42
Ballas 41
Johnson 41
Clearly someone must believe he’s doing a pretty good job.
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How often has Lyon dropped a senior player in his time as coach? It would be a rare event.
Have the base level of fitness, know the game plan, and be a safe bet in terms of injury and minimum standard of performance, and he gets a regular game.
Does not mean anything else.
I tallied the number games our players receive AFLCA votes in and how many games they played.
Fyfe votes in 14 games played 20 games.
Hill votes in 9 games played 20.
Mundy votes in 9 games played 24.
Barlow votes in 7 games played 19.
Balla votes in 7 games played 20.
Sandi votes in 7 games played 23.
Pearce votes in 5 games played 24.
Crowley votes in 4 games played 24.
Mzungu votes in 4 games played 23.
Pav votes in 4 games played 22.
Johno votes in 4 games played 18.
Either our coach or the other teams coaches really rate Pearce
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Only one of those games was against a top eight team. And he never even got into the top three players on the ground in any of them. In the games he polled, he averaged less than three votes per game
Compare Hill who polled in nearly twice the games, often against the best teams, while playing four fewer games and averaging over five votes per game polled.
His usefulness was to provide a second option to release Hill, but by the end of 2014 teams were putting all their energies into Hill and letting Pearce run free.
I don't think anyone thinks he and Hill are even in the same post code. I would be very surprised if any team targeted Pearce before Hill. However I do agree his job was to be our second option, but if Hill is to be his yard stick then yes he will look very average as will a lot of other players.
We do not lose very many games when Hill is getting quality touches.
The point about not voting in hard games is fair. However he still did vote which better than many of his team mates did. This added to his top 10 F&B effort, would indicate that the people who matter still rate him highly.
(And he never even got into the top three players on the ground in any of them. In the games he polled, he averaged less than three votes per game). In 4 of 5 games it's likely only one coach voted for him, it would interesting to see how these games compare to votes he received in the F&B. I guess we will never know.
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So Pearce for Brownlow?
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didn't Lyon famously drop 2 "stars" at St Kilda, only for them to turn their season around?
can't quite remember who they were
Nick Dal Santo and Stephen Milne. Most definitely stars.
"Lyon's surprise move to drop midfield star Nick Dal Santo (as well as Stephen Milne from the side was due to them not meeting these "benchmarks". Arguably, it was a turning point in the Saints' season, as they went on to win the next 4 games following this bold move, and was considered a strong message by Lyon. In a very competitive 2008 Premiership season St Kilda Football Club qualified for the 2008 Premiership Season Finals Series finishing the home and away rounds in the top four in fourth position with 13 wins."
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_St_Kilda_Football_Club
Arcassius
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Pearce led the comp for inside50s by 10 (127) last season.. Sure he fluffs kicks and doesn't always make the right decisions - but he's not just a foil for Hill. The coaches play him for a reason - and until someone better steps up, we should deal with it.
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Six years ago. He hasn't done it since. Once you're in the side you're very difficult to dislodge.
Difficult to argue with that....but something tells me someone will.
Arcassius
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That's what is annoying about this conversation. Who stood up to take his spot? Suban, De Boer, Sherro, Grey, Mora, Sylvia?
Nobody stood up either due to form or injury. This year i imagine things will be very different. Any player that doesn't perform consistently should get dropped be it Pearce, Suban, Mayne, Clarke, Mundy. Also we better not be playing players injured again or I'm going to be ranting and raving to nobody in particular.
Nobody stood up either due to form or injury. This year i imagine things will be very different. Any player that doesn't perform consistently should get dropped be it Pearce, Suban, Mayne, Clarke, Mundy. Also we better not be playing players injured again or I'm going to be ranting and raving to nobody in particular.
The total number does not matter. The effective entries are what count.
Agenfrida
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Fremantle were 2nd overall in the league for converting an I50 into a goal. You'd have to assume our leading inside 50 deliverer (and the leading I50 player for the league) was pretty effective most of the time. Still, I'm sure people are going to continue to argue about it.
Taylor
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I don't like inside 50s as a stat. Its a very forgiving stat, it treats the lace out pass onto the chest 10m out the same as the rolling finger breaking shank that only just crossed the line.
I'm more interested in meters gained and score assists/chain involvements.
One day I'll get a job at a footy club and spreadsheet up all the data, correlate the key stats together and see who pops up as an unexpected contributor and who is an overrated player.
I expect that it will match the AFL opposition tactics, they tag Hill over Pearce for a reason.
I'm more interested in meters gained and score assists/chain involvements.
One day I'll get a job at a footy club and spreadsheet up all the data, correlate the key stats together and see who pops up as an unexpected contributor and who is an overrated player.
I expect that it will match the AFL opposition tactics, they tag Hill over Pearce for a reason.
Agenfrida
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How is an inside 50 any different in that respect to meters gained? You can still pump a shit kick up the field for meters gained only to have it lost in a contested situation or have an opposition sweeper pounce on it.
Taylor
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You're right. That's why I wanted to pair it with score chain involvements.
I remember a stat back in 2010 that said Barlow had a hand in (a majority) of our scores. That's the sort of thing I'm talking about.
I tend to think defensively about football tactics, I'd be using a meters gained and score involvement pair to determine which of the opposition half backs and wingers to shut down and then working it on us to see who are our most driving players.
Getting hold of that effective disposal location stat would be Christmas again.
I think both matter. I also think Pearce gets overly hammered for a lack of effectiveness and those that represent our structure inside 50 get let off the hook too easily. This year, Mayne, Clarke & Sandilands did not offer enough support or alternatives for those delivering inside 50 and that was a bigger issue in my mind. Sure, Pearce needs to improve but more so do those that comprise our structure inside 50. We looked a lot better in those fleeting moments when Ballantyne, Walters, Taberner, Duffy and Crozier clicked up forward in support of Pav.
Dear Mr Fremantle Football Club,
How did mr Spurr (who we all rate but really got his backside handed to him too many times last year) get more votes in the b&f than mr Mzungu and Neal.
Or how did Mr Johnson on 18 games also get more votes!
Very confused because I really rated Mzungu and Neale this year
How did mr Spurr (who we all rate but really got his backside handed to him too many times last year) get more votes in the b&f than mr Mzungu and Neal.
Or how did Mr Johnson on 18 games also get more votes!
Very confused because I really rated Mzungu and Neale this year
This. Thought Spurr was miles away from his 2013 form.
Couldn't agree more.
