The Otherworldly Circus - The America Thread

[yebach]

Bugger me ! I’m a cross between Idi Amin and Hitler

What people will say in defence of Trump and Trumpism is staggering.
I am indeed floating around on a different rock.

Again. I'm not for Trump. I'm just calling it as I see it.
I noticed that you haven't mentioned anything about old Joe's racist comments. And this is the problem as I see it.

 

[Werewolf]

I am assuming you haven’t bothered to understand my post.

Try standing on the steps at Flinders st and shout obscenities at Asian people as they walk by.

Should that be allowed ?
Will it be allowed ?
Is it just free speech ?

Regards , Adolf

Being an idiot shouldn't be illegal, unless there's a risk of causing physical harm.

 

[King Harold]

Being an idiot shouldn't be illegal, unless there's a risk of causing physical harm.

Ok , that would work.

 

[King Harold]

Again. I'm not for Trump. I'm just calling it as I see it.
I noticed that you haven't mentioned anything about old Joe's racist comments. And this is the problem as I see it.

I haven’t seen the those comments before, and I wouldn’t try to defend them.
But again we get back to the what about isms.
We could go on for hours comparing each one’s past history.

The only reason I am down the rabbit hole on this thread is simply Trump and now Trumpism.
It’s plain and simple for me.
He is :
A Moron
A Criminal
Narcissistic
And horrible human being who should be nowhere near government in any capacity.

You guys have a different view , because as Freshwater believes, they “ are all the same “
Well good for you, that’s not how I see it.

Regards , Idi.

 

[yebach]

I haven’t seen the those comments before, and I wouldn’t try to defend them.
But again we get back to the what about isms.
We could go on for hours comparing each one’s past history.

The only reason I am down the rabbit hole on this thread is simply Trump and now Trumpism.
It’s plain and simple for me.
He is :
A Moron
A Criminal
Narcissistic
And horrible human being who should be nowhere near government in any capacity.

You guys have a different view , because as Freshwater believes, they “ are all the same “
Well good for you, that’s not how I see it.

Regards , Idi.

"I haven't seen those comments before."

That's my whole point. How can you form a rational opinion on anything if you pick and choose data, or only follow the narrative of one particular group?

Good luck to you and your world view.

 

[Contador]

I personally don't form an opinion on anyone before meticulously reading a transcript of everything they've ever said

 

[King Harold]

"I haven't seen those comments before."

That's my whole point. How can you form a rational opinion on anything if you pick and choose data, or only follow the narrative of one particular group?

Good luck to you and your world view.

“ how can you form a rational opinion “

I guess what you are saying is Biden = Trump ?
Is that correct ?
I have made a character judgement.
To be honest I don’t need any “ data” as you put it , I just have to listen to and watch Trump.

You think they are as bad as one another?
I think you are wrong, and so do 40 of 44 of Trumps former cabinet members.

 

[King Harold]

Should tell you something, but apparently not for some !

Just 4 of Donald Trump's 44 former cabinet members have publicly endorsed his 2024 run

NBC News reached out to dozens of members of former President Donald Trump's cabinet. Only four openly endorsed Trump's 2024 run.

www.businessinsider.com

 

[King Harold]

I personally don't form an opinion on anyone before meticulously reading a transcript of everything they've ever said

How would you be trawling the internet for all of Trump’s little indiscretions, would be a full time job.
f-me would take you a month just researching his University scam !

 

[Mofra]

Again. I'm not for Trump. I'm just calling it as I see it.
I noticed that you haven't mentioned anything about old Joe's racist comments. And this is the problem as I see it.

He was VP to a black POTUS, and he chose a woman of colour as his VP.
False equivalence strikes again.

If in doubt, we could always ask the Central Park 5 who they support...

 

[yebach]

“ how can you form a rational opinion “

I guess what you are saying is Biden = Trump ?
Is that correct ?
I have made a character judgement.
To be honest I don’t need any “ data” as you put it , I just have to listen to and watch Trump.

You think they are as bad as one another?
I think you are wrong, and so do 40 of 44 of Trumps former cabinet members.

I think you're not very good at listening.
My whole outlook is the system is f**cked. And by not calling out all it's faults we're encouraging it to continue on its current trajectory.

 

[yebach]

He was VP to a black POTUS, and he chose a woman of colour as his VP.
False equivalence strikes again.

If in doubt, we could always ask the Central Park 5 who they support...

So he didn't make those racist comments?

 

[Dog 36]

He was VP to a black POTUS, and he chose a woman of colour as his VP.
False equivalence strikes again.

If in doubt, we could always ask the Central Park 5 who they support...

These things are difficult as one motives are hard to comment on without knowing them. Biden choosing a woman of colour as his VP can be viewed as racist by some - showing prejudice to someone because of race, colour, sex etc. Maybe she was the best person for the job I don't know others can judge for themselves

Like I said these things are not clear cut. Society, leaders, and governments expects us not to be racist and rightly so but the government offers incentives to employers to employ people from certain backgrounds. Is that a form of racism against a better placed candidate?

 

[Mofra]

These things are difficult as one motives are hard to comment on without knowing them. Biden choosing a woman of colour as his VP can be viewed as racist by some - showing prejudice to someone because of race, colour, sex etc.

That says more about those people who instantly assume someone of colour is 'less qualified' or a 'DEI' hire rather than someone who achieved success on merit.

 

[Dog 36]

That says more about those people who instantly assume someone of colour is 'less qualified' or a 'DEI' hire rather than someone who achieved success on merit.

We should not assume that is wrong but a process should be adhered to that enables the best person or persons to be chosen and sometimes that may be the less qualified.

 

[Mofra]

So he didn't make those racist comments?

He probably did, but it's wonderful that the point has been missed again as it allows for further discussion.

By way of example, Bontempelli and Zaine Cordy are both AFL players. That does not automatically mean they are the same standard.

Stating that 'Zaine kicked a goal in the 2016 GF and is a Premiership player' is factually correct. Asserting that this fact means that he is the equal to Marcus in terms of playing ability is misleading in the extreme.
The second part of this example is the missing bit when any "but Joe" (who is no longer a candidate in the upcoming US election) is used to either justify or forgive Trump's own behaviour.

 

[Next Waiting]

Thanks for the history lesson. You really didn't need to go so far back though.

" Poor kids are just as bright and just as talented as white kids."

"Unlike the African-American community, with notable exceptions, the Latino community is an incredibly diverse community with incredibly different attitudes about different things"

Joe Biden

These comments are indicative of the American problem. Not because they are from Joe Biden the congressional, senate, presidential candidate or indeed the president and all the publicity and scrutiny that those positions attract. They're from Joe Biden the American, who also happens or has happened to be all of those things previously mentioned.

Putting the politics aside for one moment, the ease with which poor kids can so synonymously be entwined with black kids to the point of interchangability, almost to the exclusion of all others, is quite telling.

The current situation is many years and generations in the making. The solution likely to be the same.

 

[dogwatch]

Quite by coincidence this quote popped up the other day and is worth pondering.

If we don't believe in freedom of expression for people we despise, we don't believe in it at all. -Noam Chomsky

The Freedom of Speech issue will always be a vexed one. Every right (such as the freedom to speak one's mind) has a corresponding responsibility. It does not mean you have the right to say things that deliberately foment violence and civil conflict because that in turn impinges on other rights such as the right to safety etc. It does not mean that you have the right to deliberately spread lies and misinformation either, but of course that rules out anything up to half of what we hear from our politicians and up to 80% of what we hear from the advertising industry.

And then this just popped up on the ABC website:

Facebook is about to kill the tool we used to expose Africa-based trolls targeting the UK race riots

ABC NEWS Verify used a Meta-owned tool called CrowdTangle to help up-end a disinformation operation on Facebook that was targeting the UK race riots. Now, after years of it bringing the company public humiliation, Meta is killing off CrowdTangle for good.

www.abc.net.au

The fifth horseman of the apocalypse is abroad! We live in disturbing times.

 

[King Harold]

I think you're not very good at listening.
My whole outlook is the system is f**cked. And by not calling out all it's faults we're encouraging it to continue on its current trajectory.

You’re not listening either.
I am not trying to change any system , especially in the US. How can we ?
Again ,my problem is with electing someone with Trumps character.
You seem to insinuate it doesn't really matter who you elect because their system is broken ?
Have I got that correct ?

 

[yebach]

He probably did, but it's wonderful that the point has been missed again as it allows for further discussion.

By way of example, Bontempelli and Zaine Cordy are both AFL players. That does not automatically mean they are the same standard.

Stating that 'Zaine kicked a goal in the 2016 GF and is a Premiership player' is factually correct. Asserting that this fact means that he is the equal to Marcus in terms of playing ability is misleading in the extreme.
The second part of this example is the missing bit when any "but Joe" (who is no longer a candidate in the upcoming US election) is used to either justify or forgive Trump's own behaviour.

I'm not justifying Trump. Trump is irrelevant in this particular conversation.
It seems to me that people are willing to overlook Biden's racism because they're on his 'team'.

 

[yebach]

You’re not listening either.
I am not trying to change any system , especially in the US. How can we ?
Again ,my problem is with electing someone with Trumps character.
You seem to insinuate it doesn't really matter who you elect because their system is broken ?
Have I got that correct ?

We can change any system by pointing out it's flaws and not repeating those flaws.

Both parties are bankrolled and influenced by the same organisations so I do think the end result will be the same regardless of who the puppet at the top is.

 

[King Harold]

I'm not justifying Trump. Trump is irrelevant in this particular conversation.
It seems to me that people are willing to overlook Biden's racism because they're on his 'team'.

WOW , Trump is extremely relevant, that’s just silly.

You do realise the election is a binary choice ? ( JRK aside )
I’m on in any “team” that is not led by Trump.

You think they are the same no matter what we throw at you re Trump.
As far as I know ,only one party was fine with Trump trying to overthrow an election ?
So yep , I’m with the other one.

 

[yebach]

WOW , Trump is extremely relevant, that’s just silly.

You do realise the election is a binary choice ? ( JRK aside )
I’m on in any “team” that is not led by Trump.

You think they are the same no matter what we throw at you re Trump.
As far as I know ,only one party was fine with Trump trying to overthrow an election ?
So yep , I’m with the other one.

Again. I was talking about Biden's racism and none of you arguing me have condemned it

Speaks volumes.

Again. Good luck to you and your world view.

 

[King Harold]

 

[BrisDog]

Again. I'm not for Trump. I'm just calling it as I see it.
I noticed that you haven't mentioned anything about old Joe's racist comments. And this is the problem as I see it.

Yes you are all in for Trump, just like Freshwater.

No doubt you love Elon Musk too (do yourself a favour - listen to that interview. OMG).

You have boarded the Titanic and are now attempting to retreat with whimsical references to the American Constitution - which is clearly out dated, free speech, blah blah blah.

Freshwater - give me something non committal, yet clearly slanted to the majority on this thread the right and the magnificence of free speech. Without free speech we all die folks, we burst into flames!