RussellEbertHandball
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In the Bringbackthe bars thread but deserves to be in here as well.
Opinion The PB's - a celebration of 150 years. This year or later?
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AFL own the logos the brand and the colours makes no sense that they (Collingwood) take it to court.
All this is hilarious when they were about to sell their club to a private owner.
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The Prison Bars are black and white. A guernsey with the same pattern but in different colours isn't the Prison Bars, it is just another guernsey with a nod to the Prison Bars. Doing that would just be playing into Eddie's hands.
Would North Melbourne supporters think that their guernsey was the same if it was brown and yellow instead of blue and white?
RussellEbertHandball
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Do they? That is what you always hear in the media, but I wouldn't be surprised if the clubs still own them but signed a document in the 1990's that assigned them to the AFL so the AFL have effective control, control the licensing of them, collect the fees and distribute them to the clubs.
I have written this before. If I'm right then that is the grounds that McGuire is arguing on. Far Kern asked me about it at this post last year and this was my reply.
I think the clubs signed away the rights to the AFL for colours and designs so I reckon Eddie is talking about that agreement where technically they don't own the trade mark.
However if they do, then there is a legal document that has assigned them over to the AFL, then the AFL possess all the rights and obligations associated with the trademark but Collingwood legally own the trademark.
In commercial law you can assign the right to income from an asset to another party and all the rights and obligations associated with it, for a length of time or in perpetuity, but you still own the asset - whether it be a tangible or intangible asset.
There would be some legal agreement between each club and the AFL, as the clubs would not have signed over the IP without some form of protection/agreement with the AFL.
Hodges 153!
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So who was it that said "sign this".....?
This needs calling out, as long as it isn't another "GC wont be wearing their home guernsey, ITS IN WRITING!!!1!1!" RM Williams-in-mouth scenario........
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It wouldn't if we wore the proper Prison Bars but that is not what you are suggesting. You are suggesting, as Eddie has suggested in the past, that we wear a guernsey with the Prison Bars pattern but in colours other than black and white, ie NOT the actual Prison Bars guernsey.
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Are we talking about trademarks or guernsey colours ? The colours have to be registered with the AFL and that is a condition that applies to most leagues and associations. The big sticking point for us was a licence to play in the AFL. As I recall the AFL had us over a barrel and we had to make concessions one of which is we would not register black and white as our sole Club colours. The result was we added silver and teal.
What agreements exist between the AFL and the clubs is anyone's guess and I would not be taking Eddie McGuire's word that these exist. McGuire is becoming tiresome on the issue and maybe it has to go to court to settle the issue once and for all. With all the noise he makes on the issue you have to think if McGuire had any basis for a court challenge it would have been done by now.
The bottom line is we are wearing B&W whether McGuire and Collingwood like it or not. What is interesting is that according to Koch we were asked to sign a declaration that we would not apply to wear B&W again but refused and despite this we were still given permission to wear black & white. That suggests that McGuire may not have the legal leverage he thinks he has.
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Make no mistake, if McGuire had the high ground he would sound a lot different.
He is bluffing.
That doesn't mean he doesn't have significant power, and that power will increase if he becomes Mr Amazon.
We need this sorted before then.
He is bluffing.
That doesn't mean he doesn't have significant power, and that power will increase if he becomes Mr Amazon.
We need this sorted before then.
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I've been critical of Kochie but credit where credit is due. Having a media profile can only help in the fight.
Would that many Collingwood supporters feel as strongly as McGuire about this issue. I imagine some would be happy to see Port play in the PBs.
Would that many Collingwood supporters feel as strongly as McGuire about this issue. I imagine some would be happy to see Port play in the PBs.
chiwigi
I’ll make tears from your Wines.
I do wonder if we’d have half this fuss, from both our own and Collingwood of we had a rubbish Guernsey or just straightforward stripes.
One thing Eddie certainly isn’t is an idiot, if this went to court there is no argument to us wearing the PBs permanently. Especially if we are willing to compromise and wear a clash jumper against Collingwood.
He would absolutely know that, he is grandstanding and trying to scare us and the AFL off. As you said he’s bluffing.
Personally, I like it. It updates the PBs to the 21st century and is more in keeping with the Power theme.
Think of it not as the Prison Bars but as a tribute to our past. It entrenches the unique design of the PBs with Port Adelaide and the best thing about it is, there is not a single thing Jealous Eddie can do about it.
Only thing is do we have a manufacturer who can do a silver that looks strong?
simba_
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he must just hate hearing how 1) our black and white jumper is better and 2) our rivalry is 'better' than any of theirs. you can see it in his chunky red face 
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If you add the white band around the sleeves and the neck I would accept it as our home jumper, and only bring out the b&w version for heritage and showdowns.
I think a lot about that silver and black prison bars, what looks really clean and crisp, is thay there is no sponsors on the front, and it has the minimalistic PAFC signia rather than the logo. Would like to see it with the current logo/Sponsor set up. You the original creator bomberclifford ?
If push came to shove (lol imagine Koch and Eddie going at it, I'd pay for that pay per view) and it was wear that as a home jumper and the original for showdowns I'd probably take the deal.
If push came to shove (lol imagine Koch and Eddie going at it, I'd pay for that pay per view) and it was wear that as a home jumper and the original for showdowns I'd probably take the deal.
bomberclifford
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This is in keeping with what the club told us early on in the BBTB campaign.
Given how things have transpired since then, I believe the club on this one.
bomberclifford
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It was part of some stuff I was posting in a guernsey/branding thread pre the club's rebrand. Hence the use of the monogram.
It was only ever meant as a discussion point but it is part of a larger project I'm working on to show a comprehensive visual identity that centres on the PA and incorporates the PB as part of our official uniform.
Barrett’s sliding doors;
IF ...
you actually want to wear the prison bars guernsey in every single game ...
THEN ...
do it. Take Eddie on. I've got zero legal training, but can't see how the courts could care for this matter.
IF ...
you actually want to wear the prison bars guernsey in every single game ...
THEN ...
do it. Take Eddie on. I've got zero legal training, but can't see how the courts could care for this matter.
Damien Barrett just got a whole lot more palatable!
IF ...
there is one issue I now have zero care for ...
THEN ...
it is Eddie getting all worked up and thinking he has a God-given right to tell another football club how its guernsey can and can't look.
IF ...
you actually want to wear the prison bars guernsey in every single game ...
THEN ...
do it. Take Eddie on. I've got zero legal training, but can't see how the courts could care for this matter.
IF ...
there is one issue I now have zero care for ...
THEN ...
it is Eddie getting all worked up and thinking he has a God-given right to tell another football club how its guernsey can and can't look.
IF ...
you actually want to wear the prison bars guernsey in every single game ...
THEN ...
do it. Take Eddie on. I've got zero legal training, but can't see how the courts could care for this matter.
bomberclifford
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That they were asked to sign the rights away but refused.
They've instead held onto the previous agreement re Heritage rounds.
They were filling us in on the complexities of the situation.
