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[SaintsSeptember]

African Americans are far and away the most likely to be victims of hate crimes in the US. The anti white stuff is not even close.

An African American is far most likely to be a victim of hate crimes in the US. True.
But an African American is also more likely to commit a hate crime.

Facts and Statistics

www.justice.gov

Not as over represented as other crimes.
60% of the population commit 56% of the hate crimes.
13% (african american ) commit 21%.

2020 FBI Hate Crimes Statistics

www.justice.gov

The real issue is that African Americans are over represented in a lot of the crime ,which makes it hard to break the cycle of bigotry and predudice.

https://bjs.ojp.gov/content/pub/pdf/revcoa18.pdf

The cops shoot plenty of people, both black and white , in the USA. The Blacks are over represented compared to their population, because they are also over represented in criminal activities.

Yes there are some very ordinary people in all ethnic groups.

 

[DougalHoward]

2 years in a row, must be a while since it's happened

Last time was 82/83 so 40 years

Shame there wasn't much media coverage compared to Kokk/Kyrgios last year, they played great entertaining tennis all tournament.

 

[gringo2011]

The guy who runs that site is notorious for cutting videos up to suit his narrative and this video jumps around a heap so it's hard not to take what is said with a grain of salt although it seems pretty damning.

I don't understand the issue with gain of function research or why it's illegal other than the risk of it leaking from the lab - but also if they're doing it and it is illegal then * em.

It's hilarious watching these free market libertarians complain about the second half of the video though.

The 'oversight committee-to-executive' pipeline is so well documented in basically every industry that is subjected to such a system from finance to pharmaceuticals.

There's a video from a financial regulatory body in the US where the meeting closes with the chair of the body congratulating one of the bodies members on getting a job with a financial institution whose executive is literally sitting across from them having just been subjected to questioning and everyone is very jovial about it.

You really don't need hidden camera footage of this stuff because they're all incredibly open about it.

The only way to stop that is through legislation banning you from sitting on a regulatory body and then getting a job at a company you're meant to be regulating. Free market clowns like James O'Keefe who runs project Veritas offer zero solution to stuff like this. They simultaneously point at obvious flaws in the market that are bad for consumers to drum up outrage while also championing the reduction of 'red tape' that would prevent this and emphasising a free market economy.

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Free market libertarian's current aims are about creating distrust to collapse regulation. They dream of a system where nothing is government regulated and everything is transactional. If you can't afford education you don't get it for example. Anarcho-capitalism basically. Murray Rothbard created the term in the 40s but it seems to have been fetishised by the current libertarian movement. Trump was a Trojan horse to popularise it among those who stand to lose most like Reagan was to free market libertarianism of the 80s.

Environmental concerns and diminishing jobs in the age of automation seem to be irrelevant as long as they don't pay taxes. Veritas looks like part of the movement. If they can make people believe that everything is corrupt, no-one will care when it's pulled down.

 

[gringo2011]

Last time was 82/83 so 40 years

Shame there wasn't much media coverage compared to Kokk/Kyrgios last year, they played great entertaining tennis all tournament.

Did the Woodies- that campy guy and the Cameron Ling look alike win every tournament back in the day? No-one else seemed to give a shit about doubles back then.

 

[gringo2011]

An African American is far most likely to be a victim of hate crimes in the US. True.
But an African American is also more likely to commit a hate crime.

Facts and Statistics

www.justice.gov

Not as over represented as other crimes.
60% of the population commit 56% of the hate crimes.
13% (african american ) commit 21%.

2020 FBI Hate Crimes Statistics

www.justice.gov

The real issue is that African Americans are over represented in a lot of the crime ,which makes it hard to break the cycle of bigotry and predudice.

https://bjs.ojp.gov/content/pub/pdf/revcoa18.pdf

The cops shoot plenty of people, both black and white , in the USA. The Blacks are over represented compared to their population, because they are also over represented in criminal activities.

Yes there are some very ordinary people in all ethnic groups.

Marginalised and poor people commit more crimes and years of being prejudiced against made it hard to ever move out of it. It's a system and one that the US was happy to continue in case they fought back. Traumatised people find it hard to break the cycle. Like our indigenous people, once you break them it makes it hard to ever break free. Reminds me of this experiment.

 

[bergholt]

An African American is far most likely to be a victim of hate crimes in the US. True.
But an African American is also more likely to commit a hate crime.

Facts and Statistics

www.justice.gov

Not as over represented as other crimes.
60% of the population commit 56% of the hate crimes.
13% (african american ) commit 21%.

2020 FBI Hate Crimes Statistics

www.justice.gov

The real issue is that African Americans are over represented in a lot of the crime ,which makes it hard to break the cycle of bigotry and predudice.

https://bjs.ojp.gov/content/pub/pdf/revcoa18.pdf

The cops shoot plenty of people, both black and white , in the USA. The Blacks are over represented compared to their population, because they are also over represented in criminal activities.

Yes there are some very ordinary people in all ethnic groups.

Purely a socioeconomic thing, has nothing to do with race. Squash people down in slums with minimal opportunity of escape - it’s no wonder some turn to crime.

 

[DougalHoward]

Purely a socioeconomic thing, has nothing to do with race. Squash people down in slums with minimal opportunity of escape - it’s no wonder some turn to crime.

High rates of single parenthood among African Americans contributes

 

[George]

High rates of single parenthood among African Americans contributes

It's a culture thing has nothing to do with socioeconomics or race.

 

[George]

Not sure if anyone is into basketball here but LeBron is 117 points away from breaking the NBA career points record. One of those records that most people thought would never be beaten.

The tracker reckons that he'll crack it by next Friday or Sunday. History being made if anyone wants to give the games a watch (personally stopped watching basketball a few years ago but will keep an eye on this)

 

[StFly]

It's a culture thing has nothing to do with socioeconomics or race.

Enshrined freedom is slippery sloping to anarchy, so no wonder people drop as refuse along the way.
Inferred, much more central, with structure.

 

[gringo2011]

It's a culture thing has nothing to do with socioeconomics or race.

You've been watching too many hip hop videos.

 

[George]

You've been watching too many hip hop videos.

Not sure if you're taking the piss or you're serious but blacks commit over half of the murders and robberies in the US despite being only 13% of the countries population.

 

[gringo2011]

Not sure if you're taking the piss or you're serious but blacks commit over half of the murders and robberies in the US despite being only 13% of the countries population.

Doesn't mean it's cultural. Just means that they are more likely to be marginalised and get pulled into crime. It happens all over the world when you put people into low socioeconomic areas. More cultural that the States don't have a social safety net which pushes people into crime and they don't want to ban firearms.

 

[George]

Doesn't mean it's cultural. Just means that they are more likely to be marginalised and get pulled into crime. It happens all over the world when you put people into low socioeconomic areas. More cultural that the States don't have a social safety net which pushes people into crime and they don't want to ban firearms.

I don't agree with that, Hispanics in the US are only 2% below the poverty rate of Blacks yet commit 33% less murders and 13% less robbery, however have a higher rate of offenses related to drugs and have a higher percentage of gang members than Blacks (46 to 35). So despite both races living in similar levels of poverty, they typically commit different offenses. Blacks committing more of the violent crime in America (and Hispanics committing more drug related crime) is not a result of anything but culture IMO.

Happy to agree to disagree on this anyway, can't be arsed getting into it for hours lol. I'm just thankful I don't live over there.

 

[George]

Think Melbourne will crumble if Tsitsipas wins tonight. Considered going out to Fed Square but will probably cop a flare in the eyes

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Marginalised and poor people commit more crimes and years of being prejudiced against made it hard to ever move out of it. It's a system and one that the US was happy to continue in case they fought back. Traumatised people find it hard to break the cycle. Like our indigenous people, once you break them it makes it hard to ever break free. Reminds me of this experiment.

Yep, a massive catch22.

 

[DougalHoward]

Think Melbourne will crumble if Tsitsipas wins tonight. Considered going out to Fed Square but will probably cop a flare in the eyes

How do Serbs and Greeks get along

 

[George]

How do Serbs and Greeks get along

I have wondered that myself. I was talking more about a rogue flare from one of my own kind.

 

[joop]

Doesn't mean it's cultural. Just means that they are more likely to be marginalised and get pulled into crime. It happens all over the world when you put people into low socioeconomic areas. More cultural that the States don't have a social safety net which pushes people into crime and they don't want to ban firearms.

Let’s not forget that their prison system is almost completely privatized too. Not just that the jails are privately owned, but companies leasing out public jail spaces, food & security contracts etc. it’s serious money.
Put poor people in jail = more money for the suits up top.
It’s honestly a great country with great people, but man their government/s are pieces of shit.

 

[gringo2011]

I don't agree with that, Hispanics in the US are only 2% below the poverty rate of Blacks yet commit 33% less murders and 13% less robbery, however have a higher rate of offenses related to drugs and have a higher percentage of gang members than Blacks (46 to 35). So despite both races living in similar levels of poverty, they typically commit different offenses. Blacks committing more of the violent crime in America (and Hispanics committing more drug related crime) is not a result of anything but culture IMO.

Happy to agree to disagree on this anyway, can't be arsed getting into it for hours lol. I'm just thankful I don't live over there.

I reckon that's the recent immigrant thing versus generational poverty. New immigrants tend to move for a better life for them and their kids.

 

[George]

I reckon that's the recent immigrant thing versus generational poverty. New immigrants tend to move for a better life for them and their kids.

You are likely correct but the reasons for their poverty doesn't really matter in this discussion I would have thought. I'm talking specifically on crime and how different races commit different crimes even though they are both in the same socioeconomic status. Hispanics and Blacks are both similar in terms of % of their population that is in poverty (19 v 17) however the crimes they commit are very different. Meaning it's not socioeconimics but more their upbringing and how they have been raised. I believe it's culture.

 

[bergholt]

You are likely correct but the reasons for their poverty doesn't really matter in this discussion I would have thought. I'm talking specifically on crime and how different races commit different crimes even though they are both in the same socioeconomic status. Hispanics and Blacks are both similar in terms of % of their population that is in poverty (19 v 17) however the crimes they commit are very different. Meaning it's not socioeconimics but more their upbringing and how they have been raised. I believe it's culture.

How can you possibly separate their socioeconomic background from their culture?

A friend who works in criminology says you see the same in Australia with white and Asian families who’ve lived through generational poverty and disadvantage. Single parent households, delinquent kids, crime as the only way they can see to “grow up”.

Similar “culture” but I’m not sure how it helps to talk about it as culture when it’s obviously caused by the socioeconomic circumstances.

 

[George]

How can you possibly separate their socioeconomic background from their culture?

A friend who works in criminology says you see the same in Australia with white and Asian families who’ve lived through generational poverty and disadvantage. Single parent households, delinquent kids, crime as the only way they can see to “grow up”.

Similar “culture” but I’m not sure how it helps to talk about it as culture when it’s obviously caused by the socioeconomic circumstances.

Perhaps we are in agreement and just explaining it differently. You said the reason Blacks commit crime is because of their socioeconomic background, I'm saying the reason any group of people commit any kind of crime is more to do with the people they hang around, how they've been raised, etc. If Hispanics and Blacks are both similar in terms of percentage of population in poverty, why do they commit very different crimes? Whites in poverty also commit different crimes to other races (rape as an example of one). Poverty is poverty, so there has to be other factors.

 

[gringo2011]

Perhaps we are in agreement and just explaining it differently. You said the reason Blacks commit crime is because of their socioeconomic background, I'm saying the reason any group of people commit any kind of crime is more to do with the people they hang around, how they've been raised, etc. If Hispanics and Blacks are both similar in terms of percentage of population in poverty, why do they commit very different crimes? Whites in poverty also commit different crimes to other races (rape as an example of one). Poverty is poverty, so there has to be other factors.

Lots of interesting psych stuff on generational trauma. African Americans mostly came from slaves. Aboriginals were not even classed as Australians in their own land and were and probably still are overlooked for jobs. There are so many factors that explain the higher rates of crime.

 

[Dard Ball Get]

Fatherless households too