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Dangerfield is the one.
Won't be long till the old carlton arrogance and swagger comes back in 12 months time. Let's build up the list with young talent this year and then next year top up with a big fish or two to replace juddy
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First part fine, second part will be a disgruntled Dalhouse and Bontempelli.
I assume Libba will attract the hard tag every week now? Maybe Libba and Bonts then.
If the dogs go down this path they gave just ****ed the development work their sacked coach has done for the last 3 years.
I agree but oh well that's up to them if go down that path
just waiting on Whiley and his manager to ok the deal according to one site.....
Maybe its just me but I reckon good on the Doggies for trying to land a big fish like Boyd.
Seems like every big name ends up at the Swans or Hawthorn or to a lesser extent Geelong or Essendon.
Whilst I'm not saying I wouldn't love to see Boyd land at Carlton, I reckon for once it good to see the Bulldogs have a crack and maybe gain a slight bit of satisfaction to pinch a big name.
Even the most biased of us can't deny the Doggie supporters have had to put up with a lot over the years.
Seems like every big name ends up at the Swans or Hawthorn or to a lesser extent Geelong or Essendon.
Whilst I'm not saying I wouldn't love to see Boyd land at Carlton, I reckon for once it good to see the Bulldogs have a crack and maybe gain a slight bit of satisfaction to pinch a big name.
Even the most biased of us can't deny the Doggie supporters have had to put up with a lot over the years.
In my opinion they won`t get Boyd off GWS for any deal, and they have had it hard over the years I agree, but their president is a spin doctor ....( apart from being a lawyer)....and is too much like Magpie Ed for my liking !!! He makes big statements to try to convince himself, and hopes he can convince others along the way...........I reckon that he is just trying to get at GWS because they are trying to land a big fish from the doggies, and he thought that he would fight fire with fire...........he probably does not really believe that they can land Boyd but has to stand up for the club and the supporters sake.......if it comes off then he has worked a miracle for them...........BUT !!!!!!!!!!!
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Whether The Bulldogs are able to land Boyd or not ( i don't think they will but it's certainly worth a shot) I think this will be a very positive move from them from a strategic viewpoint.
They needed to strengthen their position in the trade for Griffen and i think this does that. This will force GWS to offer up a bit more than what they may have thought they could offer before this bombshell.
The worst result for them now would be pick 4 and 7 for Griffen and there is the real possibility they will be holding picks 4, 6 and 7 come the draft.
Even if nothing comes of the Boyd thing it also signals to others that they won't just accept being cherry picked of their most talented players and not be compensated adequately.
Good on them for making the stand.
As far as ever seeing Boyd in a Carlton jumper i think we can forget about it, it's going to take us offering up a player such as Murphy, Gibbs or Henderson and i just don't see us being prepared to do that.
They needed to strengthen their position in the trade for Griffen and i think this does that. This will force GWS to offer up a bit more than what they may have thought they could offer before this bombshell.
The worst result for them now would be pick 4 and 7 for Griffen and there is the real possibility they will be holding picks 4, 6 and 7 come the draft.
Even if nothing comes of the Boyd thing it also signals to others that they won't just accept being cherry picked of their most talented players and not be compensated adequately.
Good on them for making the stand.
As far as ever seeing Boyd in a Carlton jumper i think we can forget about it, it's going to take us offering up a player such as Murphy, Gibbs or Henderson and i just don't see us being prepared to do that.
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As one of the biggest critiques of Gibbs, I thank faaark we re-signed him because I have no doubt had he got to seasons end GWS would have come with a monster deal he couldn't knock back.
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Looking forward to the wily Wiley overseeing the further development of Whiley while he runs around in the NBs.
Would be a great thing if happens
it would mean Bell, Cripps and Graham have elevated their games, realised their full potential.
and/or
Judd, Carrazzo and McLean have returned to their dominating best.
Whiley is a very good player, I do agree just how good remains to be seen.
Yeah 100% agree, Andy McKay said we are regenerating the list and looking for kids in between the 20-24 age bracket. Bring on 2015!
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Reminds me of what happened in American pro sports.... Sure there was big money thrown around to the stars (and sometimes average players) but then you had young talents coming into the league demanding huge money without having proven anything (Glenn Robinson for one is a famous case). It's things like this that led to the first NBA lockout and the introduction of rookie scale contracts and numerous changes to free agency and salary laws (max contracts, etc.). Team owners (and their management) had to be saved from themselves. The same thing is starting to happen here.
If Tom Boyd gets remotely close to what the Dogs are rumored to be throwing at him how long until other players at other clubs start getting thrown similar money. As Dominator_7 pointed out Melbourne set a precedent with this with the Mitch Clark signing (small club getting an (over)hyped money on big bucks). At least in Clark's case he was helluva lot more proven than what Boyd is (even if he can/will become a standout player).
It's staggering to think that a 19y.o. who has played 9 games and averaged 6 possessions a game could be offered ~$1 million a year on a long contract.
This is not against The Dogs or The Saints, but this just highlights again how important it is for the lower/weaker clubs to be seen to be relevant, when they have to pay overs to entice players to their clubs.
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I've been thinking about the economics of the situation that now confronts all AFL CLubs. The formula appears to have been started (most obviously) by Hawthorn - surprised anyone?
They have managed to keep relevant by topping up on talent through the draft and trading extremely well. SO their talent spotting system is very good. No player will feel like they have to do it themselves..so Hawthorn is a 'destination Club' above any other. You have to hand it to Clarkson for being able to manage the playing group - no one apart from Buddy on silly money has left them. You probably have to also give great kudos to the leadership group for staying united and driving a culture through the place - Hodge/Lewis/Roughhead/Sewell a core group of very talented players sticking together for a decade...Gibson/Bourgoyne/Lake and now Frawley examples of topping up with exactly the right player required from outside the Club..not all trades work McEvoy? but Hawthorn seem to know who and what is required for the right balance of depth...
They will be in trouble ( ie come back to the pack) when Hodge/Lewis/Mitchell/Roughead all retire around the same time...but Clarkson has kept the Hawks up for a decade of success. Malthouse had set up a similar system/list - but was made redundant for 'generational change' reasons...Collingwood stuffed up.
The era of the star magic pill solution is over - but developed proven FA are worth more than top 5 picks...and what the Doggies are doing with Boyd is Club destroying stuff -if they get him other players will be pissed off if they don't get him - the same other players will be pissed off.
Carlton is playing catch up list management - but under Malthouse - will be pretty much on even ground with the top Clubs in a couple of years.
They have managed to keep relevant by topping up on talent through the draft and trading extremely well. SO their talent spotting system is very good. No player will feel like they have to do it themselves..so Hawthorn is a 'destination Club' above any other. You have to hand it to Clarkson for being able to manage the playing group - no one apart from Buddy on silly money has left them. You probably have to also give great kudos to the leadership group for staying united and driving a culture through the place - Hodge/Lewis/Roughhead/Sewell a core group of very talented players sticking together for a decade...Gibson/Bourgoyne/Lake and now Frawley examples of topping up with exactly the right player required from outside the Club..not all trades work McEvoy? but Hawthorn seem to know who and what is required for the right balance of depth...
They will be in trouble ( ie come back to the pack) when Hodge/Lewis/Mitchell/Roughead all retire around the same time...but Clarkson has kept the Hawks up for a decade of success. Malthouse had set up a similar system/list - but was made redundant for 'generational change' reasons...Collingwood stuffed up.
The era of the star magic pill solution is over - but developed proven FA are worth more than top 5 picks...and what the Doggies are doing with Boyd is Club destroying stuff -if they get him other players will be pissed off if they don't get him - the same other players will be pissed off.
Carlton is playing catch up list management - but under Malthouse - will be pretty much on even ground with the top Clubs in a couple of years.
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Agreed. It's a massive overreaction to the past week.
Sensible minds would be much better off trying to get those extra 2 top 10 picks from GWS for Griffen, getting the best possible development coach possible and building the nucleus around the young talent that they've already got and the 3 top 10 picks this year. That'd give them 10 or so really top young gun footballers. Then and only then do they top up with the appropriate free agents and veteran trade acquisitions.
However, you've highlighted their philosophy -- if you can't be successful on the field you have to look like you're at least trying something.
Maher just mentioned on SEN that The Dogs are trying to sell hope.
That's a terrible platform to base your organisation upon but what do you do?
The Dogs have made a mess with their coach and now have to pay him out (money they don't have), they're leaking players all over the place and the ultimate kick in the guts, is that their captain must get out of the place.
The future, the future................right?
The future is now, as someone still has to make all the numbers work and The Dogs can't afford to go backwards in membership or bums on seats.
Can Boyd make this happen in the short term............if he does come over? Too much to expect isn't it and what if the 19y.o. doesn't really meet expectations in his first couple of years whilst pocketing a cool million?
A group of quality kids alone, may not be enough to see the club move along. The Dogs haven't been afforded the leg-up that was granted to GWS.
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a trade
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What do you do?
I think the Dogs threw the bone to the wrong GWS player. If I were the Dogs I'd work a trade where you get Hoskin-Elliott and pick 4 for Griffen and something. Maybe GWS would take Mitch Robinson (they took Shaw last year) and that's how we get Liam Jones.
The Bulldogs then have Tom Liberatore, Luke Dahlhaus, Mitch Wallis, Jake Stringer, Jack Macrae, Lachie Hunter, Marcus Bontempelli, Clay Smith, Will Hoskin-Elliott, pick 4, 6, 26, 27 and Zaine Cordy. If you rate Jordan Roughead then add him to that list as well. They've drafted well enough recently to suggest that at least one of those two early picks is going to be a gun. 26 and 27 should get them role players and Zaine, their father-son recruit, may turn out to be a positive surprise.
Why WHE? He's from Sunshine so a kid of the western suburbs. Makes him an easy player to market and wouldn't cost them anywhere near what they've allegedly thrown out to Boyd.
It's not as though the Bulldogs are bereft of talent. They just need the right coach (I never believed McCartney was for them) who can help nurture the talent.
Wouldn't be too surprised if Hoskin-Elliot was harder to get out of GWS than Boyd.
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All good points. Sorry to nit pick but Campbell Brown also departed for $$$.
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