The Vent Thread

[Harris Specter]

Watching the game again, man if Harwood gets dropped after that, I'll be raging. SO MUCH.

 

[patfullfankezz]

I put Voss in the same space as I put Patfull, Redden, McGrath and Staker - what the **** are they supposed to do? Their comrades are getting suspended and injured left right and centre, leaving the bulk of the work to them and a group of kiddies. If I were any of these blokes I'd be looking at king-hitting Hayden Ballantyne and taking a few weeks off in the Bahamas or something. Or just king-hitting Ballantyne, it looks like SO much fun!

 

[Madkeenlions]

Watching the game again, man if Harwood gets dropped after that, I'll be raging. SO MUCH.

No chance of that! Even the commentators on Fox footy were singing his praises and amazed that with his hardness, poise and kicking he is not a more regular fixture in our starting 18.

 

[T Factor]

Whilst our results prove that that we do improve the following game after a heavy defeat, you do have to question whether the senior or 50+ game players are ever really that concerned of losing their spot in the side. Of course dropping a 'name player' may be more detrimental to our side than providing any benefit, but in the longer run, it may mean that those same players take more ownership and accountability of such defeats, which I'd question whether they do or not, Jed Adcock being the prime example this season.

Here's a list of the players omitted following our heavy defeats.

v Adelaide 19pt loss (following 68 pt loss to Dogs) - Omitted: Longer and Cornelius

v Melbourne 28pt win (following 63 pt loss to North) - Omitted: Harwood and McKeever

v West Coast 26pt loss (following 60 pt loss to Sydney) - Omitted: Longer, Paparone and Cornelius

v Fremantle ????????? (following 49 pt loss to Collingwood) - Omitted: ????

At some point, beginning next week, I would personally like Voss to make a statement and prove that such results really are 'unacceptable' by backing it up with some action instead of dropping the usual suspects (you could make the case for certain players from previous seasons too).

For completeness, the other omissions to date this season include:

Ryan Lester v Suns
Pat Karnezis v Suns
Elliot Yeo v North
James Polkinghorne v North
Ryan Harwood v Melbourne
Niall McKeever v Melbourne
Sam Docherty v Sydney
Andrew Raines v Sydney (could also include round 1)
Josh Green v Essendon and Collingwood
Jordan Lisle v Collingwood

I was surprised a few weeks ago when the Bulldogs dropped Ryan Cross, he has far from their worst this year and they went on to win their last two.

I think our yonger players need to play AFL to really understand the physical effort required. Players like Patty K are just going to run around in ressies and get 30-40 fairly easy touches. It really isn't the right enviroment to learn to run hard the other way in defense and to really tackle hard, which is the areas he falls down as a mid.

It is time for the younger players to stay in for extended periods, older players should be dropped in preference now, they have no excuses for some of their poor efforts. I would give Jed a spell, Ash only plays as a forward or he should go back to the ressies as well.

 

[Happy_Neale]

I was surprised a few weeks ago when the Bulldogs dropped Ryan Cross, he has far from their worst this year and they went on to win their last two.

I think our yonger players need to play AFL to really understand the physical effort required. Players like Patty K are just going to run around in ressies and get 30-40 fairly easy touches. It really isn't the right enviroment to learn to run hard the other way in defense and to really tackle hard, which is the areas he falls down as a mid.

It is time for the younger players to stay in for extended periods, older players should be dropped in preference now, they have no excuses for some of their poor efforts. I would give Jed a spell, Ash only plays as a forward or he should go back to the ressies as well.

Relative of Daniels is he?

 

[Haso]

"Bye week"

 

[patfullfankezz]

I just had to clean two bathrooms.

Damn you bye week!

 

[karix]

I think our yonger players need to play AFL to really understand the physical effort required. Players like Patty K are just going to run around in ressies and get 30-40 fairly easy touches. It really isn't the right enviroment to learn to run hard the other way in defense and to really tackle hard, which is the areas he falls down as a mid.

My vent is about how piss poor the quality is in the NEAFL. Talking to Mayes during the game vs Collingwood he said the difference was like night and day.

In the NEAFL he said you basically get 3 attempts at anything you're doing, because there is no pressure, and when it does come it's from pretty weak players. He said you can get 30+ possession in NEAFL and feel like you've contributed very little. Where as 22 possession in the AFL you know you contributed just by earning them, let alone how well you did with your disposal after that. That's pretty damning testimony from such a promising first year player.

What kills me is the NEAFL is meant to be the testing ground for our young players.. but I can't help worry that their potential is rotting in the NEAFL and the gap between the seconds and the firsts is so broad it's ridiculous, and an indication of form in the NEAFL means so little to AFL form it's basically pointless even talking about it.

We need to be in the VFL or a national reserves league - something where it's actually an even playing ground for our kids to develop into 'nearly' AFL standard before they get to seniors rather than 30% of AFL standard and needing 3+ games to even get used to the pace and pressure that they're going to encounter against bottom 8 teams, let alone top 10 teams.

 

[lionbear]

Today has been a very frustrating day for me:

I have had to watch GWS push Geelong for 3 quarters, clearly the fact they have so many top draft picks is going to pay off over the next 3 years, plus extra salary cap to go after Franklin with an offer no one can match.

Sydney flog Adelaide, and Sydney are about to bring in a former Adelaide Key forward which is virtually being funded by the AFL with extra salary cap and the fact the AFL pay the extra salary cap.

and then GC defeat North, with all the top draft picks prior to GWS and a heap of Queensland Zone players they get first access to, plus extra salary cap as well.

People wonder why we are struggling, we are the 4th team in the rugby state's and I am not arguing whether they should get extra help or not, but how can we compete with these teams when they are getting spoon fed while we get nothing?

 

[Schache It Off]

gc 2 wins over us

 

[Ceebee]

Today has been a very frustrating day for me:

I have had to watch GWS push Geelong for 3 quarters, clearly the fact they have so many top draft picks is going to pay off over the next 3 years, plus extra salary cap to go after Franklin with an offer no one can match.

Sydney flog Adelaide, and Sydney are about to bring in a former Adelaide Key forward which is virtually being funded by the AFL with extra salary cap and the fact the AFL pay the extra salary cap.

and then GC defeat North, with all the top draft picks prior to GWS and a heap of Queensland Zone players they get first access to, plus extra salary cap as well.

People wonder why we are struggling, we are the 4th team in the rugby state's and I am not arguing whether they should get extra help or not, but how can we compete with these teams when they are getting spoon fed while we get nothing?

It stinks to be honest.

 

[Harris Specter]

Ugh, Gold Coast are 2 wins ahead of us on the ladder.

 

[Apex61]

Time for Captain shut up we know.

Gold coast are passing us by on the M1.

 

[Elixuh]

My vent is about how piss poor the quality is in the NEAFL. Talking to Mayes during the game vs Collingwood he said the difference was like night and day.

Makes me think of acorn.

 

[Monkey Daniel]

My vent is about how piss poor the quality is in the NEAFL. Talking to Mayes during the game vs Collingwood he said the difference was like night and day.

In the NEAFL he said you basically get 3 attempts at anything you're doing, because there is no pressure, and when it does come it's from pretty weak players. He said you can get 30+ possession in NEAFL and feel like you've contributed very little. Where as 22 possession in the AFL you know you contributed just by earning them, let alone how well you did with your disposal after that. That's pretty damning testimony from such a promising first year player.

What kills me is the NEAFL is meant to be the testing ground for our young players.. but I can't help worry that their potential is rotting in the NEAFL and the gap between the seconds and the firsts is so broad it's ridiculous, and an indication of form in the NEAFL means so little to AFL form it's basically pointless even talking about it.

We need to be in the VFL or a national reserves league - something where it's actually an even playing ground for our kids to develop into 'nearly' AFL standard before they get to seniors rather than 30% of AFL standard and needing 3+ games to even get used to the pace and pressure that they're going to encounter against bottom 8 teams, let alone top 10 teams.

Which is why Geelong is very strong, they have their own stand alone team in the VFL, which is basically set up as the old fashioned reserves team. Players play where they need to be, not what suits the coach ala the combined VFL teams (Werribee/North Melb). Not to mention the competitiveness of playing in the grade below AFL.

 

[Hollow Knight]

The Swans have very little trouble preparing their kids for AFL football, and their NEAFL conference is weaker than ours.

 

[Monkey Daniel]

Swans also have more salary space, Cats have more flags and looking good again this year. So too are the Swans, so maybe it's a bit more than the meets the eye

 

[Monkey Daniel]

It's also 10 years since our third Premiership...maybe we're a tad impatient

 

[JasRulz63]

The Swans have very little trouble preparing their kids for AFL football, and their NEAFL conference is weaker than ours.

Sydney seem happier than us to throw their players into the deep end and leave them there. I can't remember Parker, Reid, Johnson and Jetta spending much time in the reserves when they've been fit since they've been drafted. Being a good team does help though.

Mitchell is an interesting one, they normally blood their young players really early. But I guess they thought he was able to develop in the reserves because of the way he plays the game.

 

[Dylan12]

It's also 10 years since our third Premiership...maybe we're a tad impatient

Not really...but there is no reason why we shouldn't be disappointed that our club has only made the finals once in 9 years and in the other 8 seasons, hasn't come close to making the final eight.

A number of clubs won premierships or played in grand finals and/or finals series, subsequently bottomed out or missed playing finals for a years and are back to playing regular finals footy a few years later.

Unfortunately, we still look no closer to playing finals footy for a sustained period (eg. 3+ consecutive years)...IMO of course.

 

[western royboy]

We are caught in the bottom six trap, we lack financial, off field and playing resources.

The club will be in the 13-18 space for a long time yet.

 

[adey115]

The Swans have very little trouble preparing their kids for AFL football, and their NEAFL conference is weaker than ours.

It's a very good point, but the swans are the exception to the rule.... Perhaps because of their culture and non acceptance of anyone not striving for perfection.

The pies and cats are the examples of how well going solo with a vfl side works. The hawks virtually run box hill too. Compare that to the bulldogs, where someone like jarrad grant has been playing reserves vfl level.

I realize that a national afl reserves comp is probably out of the question, but I would like some form of scenario where the lions seconds could play some vfl teams - even if only 4-5 times a year for instance when the seniors are also playing in Melbourne. No the perfect solution of course.

 

[Dylan12]

I posted this in the Lions Reserves thread a couple of days ago, and in light of karix and adey115 posts, it is well worth repeating in case either chaps missed it:

Further to the conversation regarding clubs fielding their own stand alone reserves teams:

Crows reserves a must in 2014, says Adelaide coach Brenton Sanderson

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BRENTON Sanderson says Adelaide must field a stand-alone reserves team next year or it will risk falling further behind the AFL's power clubs. "It's really important from my point of view as a senior coach," Sanderson said as the Crows joined hometown rival Port Adelaide in ramping up their push to field their own side in the SANFL.

"If we didn't get a reserves side up next year we would be, I think, the only team that doesn't send its players to one club. It's massive, it really is. "I've seen the Geelong model and the Geelong program works so successfully with the development of young players getting drafted and coming through their own system.

"I'm not sure where we're at with the negotiation phase of it, getting it up and running, but we'll almost certainly have our own team next year."

The Power wants its SANFL affiliate, the Port Magpies, to be its reserves side from next year.

But he said the main priority is just getting them to play together, even if it is in the reserves. Other options are the VFL and NEAFL competitions, which host Victorian and Sydney and Brisbane clubs respectively.

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Whilst unlikely to happen, there are a lot of benefits to the NEAFL and its 4 AFL reserves teams if a NEAFL Super League of sorts was created with the inclusion of the Crows and Port reserves teams.

 

[Skoob]

Just thought I'd bump this up here where we can find it easily.
Might not be in any frame of mind to be fumbling around looking for it later.

 

[Haso]

Just thought I'd bump this up here where we can find it easily.
Might not be in any frame of mind to be fumbling around looking for it later.

I find your lack of faith...

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Practical. I guess.