The war against renewable energy

[SaintsSeptember]

Just scaremongering

“The Australian Building Codes Board, the EV Council and EV fire-safety experts broadly agree that EVs are no more likely to catch fire than petrol or diesel cars.”

EVs in apartment carparks a battleground amid fight over right to charge

Strata owners are increasingly banning electric vehicles from charging in basement carparks as fire safety authorities disagree over the risk of battery fires.

www.abc.net.au

That argument will be won by insurance companies.
As it stands some of them don't penalise EV's and some do.

If you are the first one in the apartment building ( or as i call them, block of flats ) to get an EV, chances are they will tell you to get stuffed if you suggest they change to a different insurer.
If there are several of you, more chance.

 

[nut]

That argument will be won by insurance companies.
As it stands some of them don't penalise EV's and some do.

If you are the first one in the apartment building ( or as i call them, block of flats ) to get an EV, chances are they will tell you to get stuffed if you suggest they change to a different insurer.
If there are several of you, more chance.

When petrol cars are 20 times more likely to catch fire than maybe they can all park on the street to lower insurance costs.
It’s another example of misinformation spread by people who read Murdoch and believe the fossil fuel campaign against EVs… and it’s not likes it’s a rare thing for insurance companies to try and profit off it.

 

[Power Raid]

Just scaremongering

“The Australian Building Codes Board, the EV Council and EV fire-safety experts broadly agree that EVs are no more likely to catch fire than petrol or diesel cars.”

EVs in apartment carparks a battleground amid fight over right to charge

Strata owners are increasingly banning electric vehicles from charging in basement carparks as fire safety authorities disagree over the risk of battery fires.

www.abc.net.au

scaremongering?

When "state fire authorities say buildings with EVs and charging infrastructure should be given the same hazard status as fireworks factories or chemical plants."


The simplest way to look at this is our legal framework for accidents. A simple matrix of identifying the risk, identifying the control, the likelihood of risk happening and the outcome in the case the risk eventuates.

The likelihood may be no more or less than a petrol engine but the outcome is completely different. Metals fires are materially different to other types of fires and the risk of death is materially higher if one is dealing with hot metal flying 6 metres and can't be extinguished with water. Just ask those on HMS Sheffield.

The Fire Authorities have taken a position as per the legal framework to identify the control as being "do not charge in building or even on their premises" the Australian Building Code has taken another position being "have a different fire extinguishing system" and in the case of MinRes' insurance "banning it all together on the site".



Criminal negligence (equals jail sentence).........would you take the risk as an executive of losing your wealth, career and family just so someone can charge their car?


Insurance..........would you risk your assets and wealth and operate with no insurance so someone else can charge their car?



Personally this is why I say battery technology will have to improve. It won't be long before lithium is no longer used in batteries, along with PFAS and other materials that represent environmental or safety risks.

 

[Power Raid]

Ev sales snow balling in Aus… 10% of sales now.

EV sales reach new highs in Australia, making up nearly 10% of car market

Report by EV Council expects popularity to double by 2026 due to influx of cheaper electric vehicle models and increased number of charging stations

www.theguardian.com

yep and my next car will be an EV

I will wait for a quality brand to offer an EV in the Australian market. My preferred car would be a NIO but nervous about trade wars.

 

[PiCkLeJuiCe]

Ev sales snow balling in Aus… 10% of sales now.

EV sales reach new highs in Australia, making up nearly 10% of car market

Report by EV Council expects popularity to double by 2026 due to influx of cheaper electric vehicle models and increased number of charging stations

www.theguardian.com

this little link was embedded in the article

Battery-powered electric vehicle sales plunge by 25% as Australian drivers choose hybrid models

Australian Automobile Association analysis notes hybrids are exempt from fringe benefits tax until 1 April 2025

www.theguardian.com

 

[SaintsSeptember]

this little link was embedded in the article

Battery-powered electric vehicle sales plunge by 25% as Australian drivers choose hybrid models

Australian Automobile Association analysis notes hybrids are exempt from fringe benefits tax until 1 April 2025

www.theguardian.com

Yep, opinion pieces are worthless.

Australian new-car sales in November 2024: Record market still a chance as RAV4 leads VFACTS again

New-car sales declined in November 2024 for the fifth consecutive month, but YTD it's still in positive territory.

www.drive.com.au

VFACTS: A million sales and counting

Despite easing growth, Australian new car sales have passed the million mark in October

www.goauto.com.au

Mr Weber further noted that battery electric vehicle sales have subsided, despite an increasing number of new brands entering the market and what he described as the substantial tax benefits available to some purchasers through the FBT concession.
“Many of these new EV sales are in the highly competitive medium passenger segment which already records almost 50 per cent of sales being electric but the segment accounting for just over four per cent of total sales,” he said.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Yep, opinion pieces are worthless.

Australian new-car sales in November 2024: Record market still a chance as RAV4 leads VFACTS again

New-car sales declined in November 2024 for the fifth consecutive month, but YTD it's still in positive territory.

www.drive.com.au

VFACTS: A million sales and counting

Despite easing growth, Australian new car sales have passed the million mark in October

www.goauto.com.au

Mr Weber further noted that battery electric vehicle sales have subsided, despite an increasing number of new brands entering the market and what he described as the substantial tax benefits available to some purchasers through the FBT concession.
“Many of these new EV sales are in the highly competitive medium passenger segment which already records almost 50 per cent of sales being electric but the segment accounting for just over four per cent of total sales,” he said.

Fact is, if we all drove Toyota Corolla's instead of twin cab pickups, there would be a lot less CO2 going into the air.
Its ludicrous that so many Australians think they need one of these.
My father ran a mechanic business specialising in heavy vehicles for most of his life.
He normally had a Falcon ute for his business, and also owned a good size boat, which he towed with it.
The whole " I want to go fishing, or i want to go camping, i need the biggest truck in the galaxy " thing is kind of bullshit.

 

[Carn The Berries]

Fact is, if we all drove Toyota Corolla's instead of twin cab pickups, there would be a lot less CO2 going into the air.
Its ludicrous that so many Australians think they need one of these.
My father ran a mechanic business specialising in heavy vehicles for most of his life.
He normally had a Falcon ute for his business, and also owned a good size boat, which he towed with it.
The whole " I want to go fishing, or i want to go camping, i need the biggest truck in the galaxy " thing is kind of bullshit.

Can you please direct me to the variant of the Toyota Corolla or Falcon equivalent that has a 3.5T towing capacity? I'd try hooking up my caravan to my Cruze (our second car) but I'd much rather the rear axle and towbar stay attached to the vehicle.

Once there is an EV/Hybrid that can tow big weights over long distances I'm all for switching over. Until then, no.

 

[peetoo]

With ev, caravans or boat trailers can hve their own propulsion. The technology is being perfected.

The connected vehicle is them more or less guiding the trailer

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Can you please direct me to the variant of the Toyota Corolla or Falcon equivalent that has a 3.5T towing capacity? I'd try hooking up my caravan to my Cruze (our second car) but I'd much rather the rear axle and towbar stay attached to the vehicle.

Once there is an EV/Hybrid that can tow big weights over long distances I'm all for switching over. Until then, no.

The majority of Australians don't use a 3.5T Caravan.
However it often seems like the majority of Australians buy a 3T vehicle.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

With ev, caravans or boat trailers can hve their own propulsion. The technology is being perfected.

The connected vehicle is them more or less guiding the trailer

Meanwhile the typical "Australian " caravan manufacturer is nailing the things together from bits of wood.
Of course they'll easily integrate that technology and interface with hi-tech vehicles.

Its also part of the reason there are limited vehicles that can tow them.

Why are Australian caravans so heavy?

Do large caravans really need to weigh so much and why can't local manufacturers build them lighter?

www.caravancampingsales.com.au

Of course these things wouldn't be cheap after shipping here, which is why we have a caravan industry.

Best luxury caravan 2025 - Practical Caravan

We share our pick for the best luxury caravan, featuring brands such as Coachman, Adria, Swift, Eriba and more.

www.practicalcaravan.com

 

[nut]

scaremongering?

When "state fire authorities say buildings with EVs and charging infrastructure should be given the same hazard status as fireworks factories or chemical plants."


The simplest way to look at this is our legal framework for accidents. A simple matrix of identifying the risk, identifying the control, the likelihood of risk happening and the outcome in the case the risk eventuates.

The likelihood may be no more or less than a petrol engine but the outcome is completely different. Metals fires are materially different to other types of fires and the risk of death is materially higher if one is dealing with hot metal flying 6 metres and can't be extinguished with water. Just ask those on HMS Sheffield.

The Fire Authorities have taken a position as per the legal framework to identify the control as being "do not charge in building or even on their premises" the Australian Building Code has taken another position being "have a different fire extinguishing system" and in the case of MinRes' insurance "banning it all together on the site".



Criminal negligence (equals jail sentence).........would you take the risk as an executive of losing your wealth, career and family just so someone can charge their car?


Insurance..........would you risk your assets and wealth and operate with no insurance so someone else can charge their car?



Personally this is why I say battery technology will have to improve. It won't be long before lithium is no longer used in batteries, along with PFAS and other materials that represent environmental or safety risks.

Let’s look at the data ….

 

[Power Raid]

Let’s look at the data ….

I missed the bit where they said a metal fire was the same as an ordinary fire. Can you refer me to that bit please?

 

[Power Raid]

oh and nut "we" achieved 2,700mAh/g today for our anodes and 30 times lower cost than graphite and 150 times cheaper than amprius

we have a long way to go to commercialise this but it highlights that technology is changing

 

[nut]

I missed the bit where they said a metal fire was the same as an ordinary fire. Can you refer me to that bit please?

You didn’t watch it did you… 9:46

 

[SaintsSeptember]

You didn’t watch it did you… 9:46

Oh he waves an NFPA thingy in front of us.
Seriously, why listen to some nobody prattle on for half an hour to give an undisclosed NFPA statement, when you can look on the NFPA website?

What's this then?

EVs and Parking Garages | NFPA

How do EVs and other modern vehicles impact fire safety in parking garages

www.nfpa.org

The 2022 edition of NFPA 13, Standard for the Installation of Sprinkler Systems, for example, has changed to increase the recommended hazard classification for parking structures from an Ordinary Hazard Group 1 to an Ordinary Hazard Group 2. The effect is a 33 percent increase in the design density, moving from 0.15 gpm/ft2 to 0.2 gpm/ft2.

As of January of 2021, FM Global data sheets have also increased the hazard category for parking garages and car parks from a Hazard Category 2 to a Hazard Category 3.

New to the 2023 edition of NFPA 88A, all parking garages are now required to have sprinkler systems installed in accordance with NFPA 13. Prior to this edition, sprinklers didn’t have to be installed in open parking structures.

While technology is constantly evolving, so are NFPA codes, standards, trainings, research, and other resources. The ever-growing presence of lithium-ion batteries in our day-to-day lives are changing the fire characteristics of our built environment. Fire protection professionals need to be able to stay on top of these changes to ensure the safety of people and property. For more information on the resources NFPA provides relates to electric vehicles, check out nfpa.org/EV.

 

[nut]

oh and nut "we" achieved 2,700mAh/g today for our anodes and 30 times lower cost than graphite and 150 times cheaper than amprius

we have a long way to go to commercialise this but it highlights that technology is changing

Yes the technology is moving in a fast pace… which adds to my point about being at the start of the revolution… we are in the early stage of battery storage.
I just bought a kings 1.2KWH Lifeo4 Battery for my trolling motor for $279… you can now buy solid state marine batteries, which will start a revolution in electric outboards.
Exciting times.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Yes the technology is moving in a fast pace… which adds to my point about being at the start of the revolution… we are in the early stage of battery storage.
I just bought a kings 1.2KWH Lifeo4 Battery for my trolling motor for $279… you can now buy solid state marine batteries, which will start a revolution in electric outboards.
Exciting times.

Exciting?
A water-skiing behind a v8 inboard at 80km/h is exciting. Battery motors are good for the environment though.

 

[nut]

Exciting?
A water-skiing behind a v8 inboard at 80km/h is exciting. Battery motors are good for the environment though.

watching a $60k MG4 keeping up with a $300,000 Porsche 911 is exciting …
That marine battery is half the weight of a Life04 battery…
Give it 2-3 years and an electric ski boat will pull-up a skier before a V8 can get into gear.

 

[nut]

Looks like we don’t have to wait… and you can hear your self talk.

https://ingenityelectric.com/models/nautique-gs22e/

 

[nut]

Tesla v F1

 

[SaintsSeptember]

watching a $60k MG4 keeping up with a $300,000 Porsche 911 is exciting …
That marine battery is half the weight of a Life04 battery…
Give it 2-3 years and an electric ski boat will pull-up a skier before a V8 can get into gear.

So some rich guy driving slow, what was the lap time?
Losing power by the second lap?

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Tesla v F1

A Tesla S is listed as 9.75s for a 1/4 mile. They oversize the engines, because on the road no-one can dump that much power continuously so they don't just flatten the batteries.

Traction control is banned in F1 cars, so probably not the best comparison.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Petrol holds twice the energy per KG than any battery.
All the propaganda in the world won't change that.

Not saying that electric isn't the future for cars, but its silly to sing the "everything is awesome " song from the Lego movie.

Meanwhile , its far more important to get the electricity grid sorted.

 

[nut]

Petrol holds twice the energy per KG than any battery.
All the propaganda in the world won't change that.

Not saying that electric isn't the future for cars, but its silly to sing the "everything is awesome " song from the Lego movie.

Meanwhile , its far more important to get the electricity grid sorted.

Petrol might hold twice the energy but EVs convert over 77% of the electrical energy from the grid to power at the wheels, while conventional gasoline vehicles only convert about 12%–30% of the energy stored in gasoline to power at the wheels. So much energy in ICE cars is lost to heat.