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[Festerz]

Piastri was just behind Bottas at the detection point, Le Clerc was more than a second behind Piastri at that point. Bottas then lets Piastri by before the last corner which allows him to have DRS down the straight while being ahead when the other 2 don't

Thanks for clarifying that that.

But my point in the first post on this was more about why the feck DRS was enabled on that straight with a wing mirror sitting on it just waiting to cause an accident.

The irony here is that the stewards had dished out a (correct under the rules) severe 10 second stop go penalty to Norris because of 'safety' concerns of him not lifting under waved double yellows.

And then the race director not only refuses to send out a safety car and leaves that wing mirror sitting in the straight but leaves the race running in green-flag conditions and keeps DRS enabled in the very spot where it sits waiting to be smashed into a million shards of tyre puncturing carbon fibre. Which of course happened with 2 cars having tyres destroyed and the result could have been far worse than it was.

 

[Gunf]

Thanks for clarifying that that.

But my point in the first post on this was more about why the feck DRS was enabled on that straight with a wing mirror sitting on it just waiting to cause an accident.

The irony here is that the stewards had dished out a (correct under the rules) severe 10 second stop go penalty to Norris because of 'safety' concerns of him not lifting under waved double yellows.

And then the race director not only refuses to send out a safety car and leaves that wing mirror sitting in the straight but leaves the race running in green-flag conditions and keeps DRS enabled in the very spot where it sits waiting to be smashed into a million shards of tyre puncturing carbon fibre. Which of course happened with 2 cars having tyres destroyed and the result could have been far worse than it was.

The stewards did the correct thing whilst RC ****ed up big time.

People need to remember the Stewards and RC are 2 separate groups.

 

[Festerz]

The stewards did the correct thing whilst RC ****ed up big time.

People need to remember the Stewards and RC are 2 separate groups.

I think my post made that difference clear?

 

[Festerz]

Basically he doesn't like the fact Russell is two faced which i can understand

One thing we all know is that professional sports people have a code of behaviour - milking a free or penalty on the field or racetrack is acceptable within certain boundaries. And there is no doubt Russell milked that claim of Verstappen driving dangerously - he could see what was happening in the distance and sped up to make the delta breach obvious.

But when those same professional sports people front the tribunal (or in this case stewards) to explain what happened they are expected to tone down the hyperbole, speak honestly and not unfairly damage the reputation of the other participant. Especially when it concerns allegations of recklessness of the other participant in the inherently dangerous sport of F1, where lives have been lost and safety is paramount.

Quite clear that Russell didn't do this and that's what Verstappen is outraged about - it reflected on his professionalism. And that's why he told George to 'watch his back'. What goes around comes around and all that.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Basically he doesn't like the fact Russell is two faced which i can understand

I don't like it either but Max is a tad hypocritical on this one especially considering who his dad is.

 

[Festerz]

I know I'm a broken record on the Sky commentary team. But how bloody good was it having Antony Davidson and Bernie Collins giving the analysis at this GP?

They know the rules, they know the sport and best of all they give their analysis without (much) driver bias. I srsly reckon my understanding of F1 strategy and rules ratchets up about 10% every time they're on the commentary team.

 

[Festerz]

I don't like it either but Max is a tad hypocritical on this one especially considering who his dad is.

We can't choose our family.

And although Jos has a horrible past that's been well documented and lived vicariously through his son as Max's career progressed, I think Max has matured as a driver and a person way beyond what his dad left him as a legacy.

And speaking as a father myself, I think that's the best any parent could wish for.

 

[Bradesmaen]

Lando needs to join Ferrari with the amount of silly errors that he makes and throws away chances at winning GPs

 

[Bradesmaen]

TBF that light came on as Lando was going past, but the flags are there from when Verstappen went past.

 

[happy_eagle]

I know I'm a broken record on the Sky commentary team. But how bloody good was it having Antony Davidson and Bernie Collins giving the analysis at this GP?

They know the rules, they know the sport and best of all they give their analysis without (much) driver bias. I srsly reckon my understanding of F1 strategy and rules ratchets up about 10% every time they're on the commentary team.

Antony to replace Karun
Jenson to replace Danica
Nico to replace Damon

Would be ideal

 

[DamoESP]

TBF that light came on as Lando was going past, but the flags are there from when Verstappen went past.

Yeah I think thats the point they were making, that Max didnt wait for the lights etc but reacted the second he saw the flags (which you should do anyway), where as Lando had the lights and the Flags and still didnt react

 

[Barrybran]

Finally finished watching this race. This would have been a dead boring race if not for safety cars. The sooner each race can be two-stoppers, the better. Stoked to see Sauber achieve their first points for the season. Gasly has been quietly very good the last few races. Token Lewis complaining about his car.

 

[imadodgyumpire]

Finally finished watching this race. This would have been a dead boring race if not for safety cars. The sooner each race can be two-stoppers, the better.

You are banned from watching F1. Hand in your Kayo license.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

We can't choose our family.

And although Jos has a horrible past that's been well documented and lived vicariously through his son as Max's career progressed, I think Max has matured as a driver and a person way beyond what his dad left him as a legacy.

And speaking as a father myself, I think that's the best any parent could wish for.

I'm not sure that's completely true. Max has definitely matured as a driver but I wouldn't argue as a person. Red Bull arguably have as many problems as they do in large part because JV is too outspoken and deals with others poorly and Max has never been prepared to tell him to get back in his box and that's been to the detriment of his team and wider F1.

You can't choose your parents but you can choose what ethics you endorse or disendorse (I know this full well having done it with my own father for decades) and Max has never made any attempt to disendorse any of the really poor things Jos has done. You can't live like that and then criticise other people's ethics it's hypocritical. So while I'm no Russell fan I find the criticism pretty pot kettle black.

 

[my name was taken]

What a shitshow that race was. FIA need some self reflection and hold themselves to the same safety standards they do the drivers, it's very rules for thee not for me.

Not surprised Russell is a toss, all we needed was confirmation.

 

[Festerz]

Unfortunately, I don't think that will happen.

As I shared in the main thread, MBS is busy bribing his way to re-election while also firing 2 of the 4 guys that were on the FIA financial oversight committee because they dared to question MBS about said bribe money.

True.

Sulayem will face re-election at next year's FIA General Assembly so I guess we'll see how things go before then (and more importantly who, if anyone, steps up to challenge him for the role).

He replaced Todt in December 2021 and is eligible to serve three four year terms and if competence was a factor I would doubt he will see out the full 12 years like his predecessor did. But, as you say, politicking rather than competence is the key factor at play in the governance of F1.

 

[Festerz]

Finally finished watching this race. This would have been a dead boring race if not for safety cars.

Yep. General consensus amongst the drivers is that it's a great track to drive.

But for spectators...

 

[Simon_Nesbit]

Yep. General consensus amongst the drivers is that it's a great track to drive.

But for spectators...

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If not for the "Max" Rule, the section through turns 2-6 allows fantastic side-by-side battles with changing advantages.

Bring back the "Alonso" interpretation.

 

[Cromulant]

Yep. General consensus amongst the drivers is that it's a great track to drive.

But for spectators...

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Tilke-drome tracks are all like that, as is The Bend.

The Middle-East tracks have the added bonus (for F1) of track promoters with bags of money.

Its a cracking track for bike racing, mind you those guys can make most tracks good for racing.

 

[Black_White]

The yellows kept going on and off it was such a shit show who knows which drivers besides Max and Lando were actually shown double yellows.

Why does it matter if it’s double yellows.
The lights were definitely yellow. And that means caution. So you simply cannot stay “on it” without putting someone at risk.

 

[Gunf]

Why does it matter if it’s double yellows.
The lights were definitely yellow. And that means caution. So you simply cannot stay “on it” without putting someone at risk.

Agreed being cautious for any yellows should be a thing.


As for why it matters for double yellows someone who has been racing since he was a kid told me that double yellows are usual thrown when something dangerous has been determined to be on or near the track which may need all drivers to slow down and stop.

Those things could be a crashed car that you could endanger by not slowing or a Marshal on track etc hence why the minimum penalty for double waved yellows is 10 second stop and go (didn't know this until pointed out) the next penalty to give out would be a DSQ.

At first i thought the penalty for Norris was harsh but after it being explained i 100% agree that it was the correct penalty.

The shitshow that lead to the double yellows ,Bot hitting the mirror, punctures etc though is complete bullshit.

 

[Bradesmaen]

Yep. General consensus amongst the drivers is that it's a great track to drive.

But for spectators...

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That's standard, drivers love fast sweeping corners and the majority of us here love driving through the hills etc doing similar things in a road car (to the speed limit). The perfect circuit is a square when you think about it.. or a track that is so wide you can run 2 cars side by side the entire way.

 

[Nuggs Bunny]

That's standard, drivers love fast sweeping corners and the majority of us here love driving through the hills etc doing similar things in a road car (to the speed limit). The perfect circuit is a square when you think about it.. or a track that is so wide you can run 2 cars side by side the entire way.

Sepang had four or five consecutive corners you could go two cars wide through, miss that track. Don't know if you could still do it with the modern aero