The Worsfold coaching situation mega-thread, part 2

[new breed]

It was pretty funny listening to Worsfold on 6pr last night. All the usual crap from him and a total lack of emotion. Aswell as a blunt refusal to bake his playing list Ratten style.

But the funny part was when Hardy started reading out texts and emails from eagles supporters to him telling him he should cringe with shame when he goes to pick up his pay cheque this week and think about how little he deserves it and his job and other inflammatory statements like that. Worsfold is so arrogant. He just kept repeating an obviously pre-prepared line about how there was lot of hard work to be done and the players couldn't wait to roll up their sleaves and do the hard work required to be successfull etc and it's good for the supporters to be passionate.

Brad Hardie is a fool with more Chips on his shoulder then your Fish & Chip shop

 

[ManicMiner]

At least he was asking something mildly confrontational - why does Basil even bother with C7 live crosses on a Monday??

 

[Underdog]

It was pretty funny listening to Worsfold on 6pr last night. All the usual crap from him and a total lack of emotion. Aswell as a blunt refusal to bake his playing list Ratten style.

How many professional organisations publicly abuse their employees?

 

[GO EAGLES]

Worsfold must coach in 2011

His coaching in 2002-2008 still stands as the best coaching achievement in Eagles history taking into account how the squad was built up

in comparison to how our 1990 - 1994 squad was built

Eagles just need to fix the squad up at this years recruiting.

We need 3 quick weavers and dodging midfielders On more sweeper for defence

One more power forward

We have the most UN - Nullabor desert - un Subi oval style team in our history.
We have currently not one effervescent midfielder playing to take advantage of Subiaco oval and the wide MCG.

THIS IS WHY WE ARE STUFFED.

Fremantle previously had none and now they have Hill.

One of our our in and under midfielders arches his back after extracting the ball to hand pass to another midfielder who arches his back to handpass to another simlar type.

 

[Crimson King]

The other day on the radio they mentioned that Broadbridge had been told he won't be kept on. I don't know how credible it is but hopefully it's true.

Kemp's probably done more good in his short stint than Broadbridge.

 

[Crimson King]

Re: Worsfold must coach in 2011

Preach it, brother!

 

[The Falcon Strike]

Re: Worsfold must coach in 2011

I am preparing a full scale essay on why soon.

Just checking that you are referring to the West Coast Eagles specifically - or perhaps the Balcatta U/13's netball team? (Suma can bake the cookies)

 

[GO EAGLES]

Re: Worsfold must coach in 2011

Just checking that you are referring to the West Coast Eagles specifically - or perhaps the Balcatta U/13's netball team? (Suma can bake the cookies)

Originally Posted by GO EAGLES
""I am preparing a full scale essay on why soon''

Ha ha about the essay.

Got interuppted by a phone call and stuck that sentence in for fun

 

[greatwhiteshark]

Re: Worsfold must coach in 2011

It just wouldn't be the same every day without one of your very funny threads about your hero GoEagles.

Can always count on you for a daily laugh..

Any clubs in mind GoEagles?

 

[Underdog]

Re: Worsfold must coach in 2011

I am refreshing my browser in anticipation...

 

[Anjahads]

Re: Worsfold must coach in 2011

Great read mate,It made my day.
I gather S Hill or similar is the "Weaver and Dodger "that we need??
Keep up the write ups - fantastic

 

[Eagles!!!]

Re: Worsfold must coach in 2011

Sunday’s performance against Freo was definitely unacceptable. However, having said that, we need to put it in perspective – the team is full of kids and already languishing at the bottom of the ladder. Already suffering from poor disposal – they are all down on confidence and small errors during first qtr just completely took whatever little confidence they had in their abilities. This leads to the head being down and not wanting to be on the field.
Woosha can’t give them anymore grilling – can you imagine him asking the boys to be standing on their knees and getting stuck into them. None of them can or will perform after that. Woosha hasn’t got a choice other than to stick up for them and behind closed doors asking his skills coach and his team to keep revving everyone up.
The massive difference between what the two teams in the first half (I left the pub just on half time!) is the confidence level. This is due to the senior players (Pav, Sandilands, Tarrant etc) leading the way for them. On the the other hand, for eagles all senior players are playing worse – Lynch, Waters, Embley – as a result the young ones have no one to look upto.
We are a very very proud club – during the year end review, a couple of things must be decided upon:
- Greater focus on skills and decision making (comes with greater experience);
- Increased focus on developing youngsters (Swift, Masten, McGinnity, Notte etc);
- Review of fitness and conditioning regime;
- Increased focus on recruiting outside players with decent skills;
- Trading away players that are not needed.
Tough questions to coaches such as:
- Skill level unacceptable for modern AFL style of footy;
- Poor conditioning and fitness & too many hamstring related injuries

I don’t think getting rid of Woosha will help right now. He should be given next year and in doing so he should be provided with all the support he needs. Who could have said last year that Freo could be challenging for a top 4 position by the end of round 22? This is indicative of how quickly can things turn around in footy!

 

[Geoffe_Miles]

How many professional organisations publicly abuse their employees?

How many organisations would continue to do the same thing over and over again and change nothing when they were coming last in their industry in every category? How many companies would retain all the people at the top if they were struggling as the eagles are? The answer is none. If Worsfold and Nisbett were the heads of a publicly listed company like Coles or Rio or Woodside they would be long, long gone by now. Results are the only thing that counts in the real world mate. Not sentimentality and nostalgia or big words and lame excuses.

Do you think continuing to do what we are doing is the smartest plan? Do you think things could get worse if Worsfold baked a few players? Do you honestly think the mind set and effort level of the players at our club is anywhere near acceptable? And if you agree it's not do you think doing nothing is going to change it?

 

[Underdog]

How many organisations would continue to do the same thing over and over again and change nothing when they were coming last in their industry in every category? How many companies would retain all the people at the top if they were struggling as the eagles are? The answer is none. If Worsfold and Nisbett were the heads of a publicly listed company like Coles or Rio or Woodside they would be long, long gone by now. Results are the only thing that counts in the real world mate. Not sentimentality and nostalgia or big words and lame excuses.

You can't compare them to Coles or Rio because they are more or less in an open market. If West Coast were in an open market we'd dominate year on year. You're being ridiculous.

West Coast are in an artificial environment where the cycle dictates that you must have periods of success and periods of downturn.

 

[Geoffe_Miles]

Brad Hardie is a fool with more Chips on his shoulder then your Fish & Chip shop

It's not about Hardy, it's about Worsfold. At least there is one media organisation in Perth that is prepared to apply the blowtorch and at least try and get Worsfold to directly face what is hapenning in front of him and admit it is a crisis and that the current performance level and output is simply unacceptable for an AFL club. When he talks about it it honestly sounds like he just doesn't give a s*** and couldn't care less if we got belted by 20 goals every week. The scale and manner of the losses appear to be having no impact on him at all.

And also try and get him to directly address the feelings of what is now a majority of the fan/membership base and say something of meaning to them and try and present some kind of plan to move forward instead of just resputing cliches like "i thought they used the ball better than us" and "it's a great learning experience" and "we are looking forward to the challenge of the hard work in front of us". The bloke has no plan whatsoever about how to move forward from here. Absolutely none. If he had any kind of plan he would be talking about it.

The rest of the media won't say anything to him at all.

 

[Underdog]

It's not about Hardy, it's about Worsfold. At least there is one media organisation in Perth that is prepared to apply the blowtorch and at least try and get Worsfold to directly face what is hapenning in front of him and admit it is a crisis and that the current performance level and output is simply unacceptable for an AFL club. When he talks about it it honestly sounds like he just doesn't give a s*** and couldn't care less if we got belted by 20 goals every week. The scale and manner of the losses appear to be having no impact on him at all.

But that shit doesn't matter. It makes no difference to our performances or improvement whatsoever if he divulges all his plans or thoughts to the media.

Their external PR policy is largely "play a straight bat" and deal with all the issues in house.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

The bloke has no plan whatsoever about how to move forward from here. Absolutely none. If he had any kind of plan he would be talking about it.

In the media? So his competitors can grab hold of it and get advanced notice of how to beat it? Good idea.

Worsfold's never said anything worthwhile to the media over the past 9 years. It wasn't an issue when we were winning. Why should it be an issue now?

 

[Geoffe_Miles]

You can't compare them to Coles or Rio because they are more or less in an open market. If West Coast were in an open market we'd dominate year on year. You're being ridiculous.

West Coast are in an artificial environment where the cycle dictates that you must have periods of success and periods of downturn.

Your the one that wanted to compare the eagles response to other large organisations. Exactly what organisations were you intending me to compare them to? You raise the comparison and then say it's not valid. What the hell does open markets have to do with it? The draft and salary cap don't restrict the eagles from changing their club hierarchy personel or methods and that is what we are talking about.

The cycle does not dictate that a club has to sink as low as ours has. Thats a piss weak cop out. Very few clubs sink as low as we are now unless they are deliberately tanking, which we obviously aren't because there is nothing to tank for.

And you avoided my question - what are you proposing we do? Change nothing and keep going the way we are? Will everything just sort itself out will it? Is there no area of the club in which we have fallen behind and can improve? Was all this just destined to happen and it was totally out of hands to do anything to prevent it or move forward from it from here? Thats sounds like thats your position - do nothing and change nothing.

 

[new breed]

Geoff I wouldn't pay any attention to Woosha's PR interviews ... when I have heard them its like a " get him mentallity " and Woosha is not going to concede , ... its shock journalism that meant to keep you listening , its not constructive in any way ... they would have no idea of the Eagles list and players like Weedon / Stevens / Neates .

 

[Geoffe_Miles]

In the media? So his competitors can grab hold of it and get advanced notice of how to beat it? Good idea.

Worsfold's never said anything worthwhile to the media over the past 9 years. It wasn't an issue when we were winning. Why should it be an issue now?

We are talking about how to improve the clubs processes and programs. We are talking about identifying where we have fallen behind and where we are lacking and how we are going to improve in these areas. Not specific game plans.

And anyway, how does knowing how clubs game plan make them easier to beat? is there any club who doesn't know what geelong's gamplan is? Or collingwood? Or Hawthorn? It's on display every week. Exactly how do you hide a gameplan and how does knowing what the game plan is for those sides make them easy to beat?

The reason it's an issue is that part of the job of being a leader is to actually lead and point the way forward and also to inspire confidence in your followers. Worsfold owes the members some acknowledgement of how grim things are and he should be trying to give them some confidence that he has a plan to go forward if he wants to keep his job. Instead he bunkers down and hides away like a coward and he is only able to do it because of the unique situation of the club with a stadium that is too small and therefore the members don't have the option of not renewing their memberships untill the club shows some direction again. If he was at any other club he would not be able to hide like he is now.

 

[Underdog]

Your the one that wanted to compare the eagles response to other large organisations. Exactly what organisations were you intending me to compare them to? You raise the comparison and then say it's not valid. What the hell does open markets have to do with it? The draft and salary cap don't restrict the eagles from changing their club hierarchy personel or methods and that is what we are talking about.

You can't see that the Eagles are a professional organisation like many big businesses yet operate in a vastly different type of marketplace?

The cycle does not dictate that a club has to sink as low as ours has. Thats a piss weak cop out. Very few clubs sink as low as we are now unless they are deliberately tanking, which we obviously aren't because there is nothing to tank for.

We clearly had extenuating circumstances which lead to an unexpected dip in performance due to Cousins and Judd both leaving so early.

It's not just the performance of the team on gameday which that impacts but all the drafting prior to them leaving was done on the basis that they would be at the club. When you all of a sudden take them away, you are left with a club devoid of it's 2 best players and a bunch of kids drafted essentially around them and to a game plan that suited them being at the club. That throws a massive spanner in the works. It was always going to be a far greater impact them a normal rebuild.

Let's look at just 1 example. With Judd and Cousins at the club, Lynch and Hansen were very serviceable forwards. With them gone they are rubbish. However, because we had two key forwards who looked entrenched in the side, it wasn't a big drafting concern. Now we are seeing the impact that had.

And you avoided my question - what are you proposing we do? Change nothing and keep going the way we are? Will everything just sort itself out will it? Is there no area of the club in which we have fallen behind and can improve? Was all this just destined to happen and it was totally out of hands to do anything to prevent it or move forward from it from here? Thats sounds like thats your position - do nothing and change nothing.

Quite simply, we need to get games into the kids and rebuild a balanced team. We need to release the Selwoods and Priddas back to 3/4 best midfielders. We need to keep to a game plan that his high risk high reward and not revert to a style that may win us a few extra games this year but fail to drive us to great heights.

 

[Mayneman]

The jungle drums are beating.

Ken had another word today.

 

[Underdog]

The reason it's an issue is that part of the job of being a leader is to actually lead and point the way forward and also to inspire confidence in your followers. Worsfold owes the members some acknowledgement of how grim things are and he should be trying to give them some confidence that he has a plan to go forward if he wants to keep his job. Instead he bunkers down and hides away like a coward and he is only able to do it because of the unique situation of the club with a stadium that is too small and therefore the members don't have the option of not renewing their memberships untill the club shows some direction again. If he was at any other club he would not be able to hide like he is now.

John Worsfold is not the leader of the West Coast Eagles. He is not the CEO. He is not the Chairman. He is the leader of the players.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

We are talking about how to improve the clubs processes and programs. We are talking about identifying where we have fallen behind and where we are lacking and how we are going to improve in these areas. Not specific game plans.

Well he needs to be talking about those with the players, and the rest of the coaching staff, and the board. Not the media. And not the fans. The vast majority of fans won't take any of it on board, they'll just look at the ladder position and the weekly results, so what's the point?

 

[swannies]

And you avoided my question - what are you proposing we do? Change nothing and keep going the way we are? Will everything just sort itself out will it? Is there no area of the club in which we have fallen behind and can improve? Was all this just destined to happen and it was totally out of hands to do anything to prevent it or move forward from it from here? Thats sounds like thats your position - do nothing and change nothing.

Speaking of avoiding questions, I have offered the view, to you, on a number of occasions, that having 12+ players in the one team, with less than 50 games experience each, will lead to many performances like we have had. Do you agree or disagree? Do you think that 20/21 yo players with less than 50 games experience, half a team at that, will be able to compete with another side that has as many 100+ games players as we have <50 game players?

Do you think that having a fully fit Glass in the backline, Kerr, Selwood and Cox in the midfield will make any difference to the team's performance? Then add Shuey, oh the humanity, surely you must be looking forward to the Shue being back in soon?