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[Shell]

I'm about halfway through. Just watched the episode where Lindsay broke up with Nick. His over the top affection made me cringe pretty bad. I think I like Bill the best.

"Mom.. did you just break up with my boyfriend?!?"

Funnily enough, I'm watching it again now too. If Bill is your favourite, there's a couple eps coming up that the storyline revolves around him. Kenny will come into it more too soon. Enjoy

 

[Croweater]

Serious question: when do you stop defining yourself by your parents' socio-economic status and start defining yourself by your own?

To be fair to croweater, short of refusing any assistance from his parents and moving to a third world country he is always going to have pretty much the same socio-economic status as his parents.

Yeah, I guess my socioeconomic status wouldn't change too much, because 'socioeconomic' contains within it two criteria to meet. For example, even if my economic status without my parents' influence wouldn't quite match that of the upper-middle class, my social position within society probably would remain similar. By that, I mean through the people I know, my professional networks, my alma mater, being a part of my school's Old Collegians association, and through being involved with several influential organisations particularly within South Australia.

As an aside, my girlfriend is in a very similar situation to me (successful family (hence similar social position), above average income, advanced education, etc.), so when we take the next step one day, we'll probably be in a similar position to both of our families.

No, you're just one of those kids who has had a whole heap of shit handed to you on a plate.

I've always had a problem with this kind of thinking.

Sure, I've been afforded a comfortable life and probably greater opportunities than the average person, but this notion that people from families of certain means get handed everything is misguided and pretty offensive to be honest.

I've grabbed every opportunity I've been given with both hands. I worked harder than many of my peers at university. I went for two extremely selective internships and was accepted into both of them, not because of "daddy's money", but because while my mates got pissed every weekend, I was studying. You want to know why? Because if there is only one position available, and there are 125 applicants, you have to be better than the other 124. That mentality separates the winners from the rest. That mentality got me to Washington.

There's this misconception in life that people who grew up in a family with limited means are destined to live that way forever. That's a fallacy. It's more like people who grew up in a family with limited means, and have a defeatist victim mentality, are destined to live that way forever.

For example, I'm mates with this guy from law school. He was brought up by a single mother, who was 17 when she had him. They struggled for years, but he worked his arse off at school, got into Law at Adelaide, has won a shit load of awards while there, he's involved with a bunch of community organisations, he volunteers, he works part time to help his mum with the bills and he'll graduate this year with a law degree with honours from one of the best law schools in the country.

Effort, persistence and resilience trumps privilege the majority of the time. When I had to interview interns late last year, I didn't look at the applicant's address or their high school. I looked at their academic transcripts, their mannerisms, their manner of speech, their personality traits, and their extracurricular activities.

Your respective upbringing can afford you varying levels of opportunity, but it's up to the individual to grab the bull by the horns and do something with that opportunity. Fact.

 

[TheFreshBanana]

cruffy just jealous

 

[Scotland]

Croweater sounds like he came from the Malcolm Turnbull school of hard knocks.

'You wouldn't be where you are without money' may be naive and/or offensive, but 'you can reach for the stars' coming from silver spooners is much more so.

Many things in the post above are true, but it's like hearing a pretty girl giving a not so pretty girl advice on being attractive to guys.

For example, I'm mates with this guy from law school. He was brought up by a single mother, who was 17 when she had him.

Just the one? How many mates from law school do you know who attended top SA private schools? And how many of those had networked jobs lined up ahead of graduation?

Your respective upbringing can afford you varying levels of opportunity, but it's up to the individual to grab the bull by the horns and do something with that opportunity. Fact.

Agreed. You can absolutely work hard and make something of yourself even if you start with nothing.

A friend of mine from (public) high school won a Rhodes scholarship and studied at Oxford. That's a pretty high achievement from someone that grew up in a single parent household in what you would probably term a middle class or upper middle class area.

The thing is, it's not just about the doors that open up from old school networks etc. but the safety nets that come from privileged upbringings. I know plenty of people from the Western Suburbs of Perth (where all our top private schools are) that 'don't care about money' because they've never had to. They float around taking gap years when they want, driving nice cars etc. safe in the knowledge that if they just get through a law degree there will be a job waiting for them down the line, and if they can't get through uni then they'll never be out on the street. That outlook/fallback position isn't something that your rages-to-riches self-made-men/women have.

 

[TheFreshBanana]

The thing is, it's not just about the doors that open up from old school networks etc. but the safety nets that come from privileged upbringings. I know plenty of people from the Western Suburbs of Perth (where all our top private schools are) that 'don't care about money' because they've never had to. They float around taking gap years when they want, driving nice cars etc. safe in the knowledge that if they just get through a law degree there will be a job waiting for them down the line, and if they can't get through uni then they'll never be out on the street. That outlook/fallback position isn't something that your rages-to-riches self-made-men/women have.

Does it matter?

 

[MrsEddieBetts]

I don't think it should matter what you have or don't have, as long as you're a good person.

 

[Scotland]

Does it matter?

Of course.

The more meritorious a society is the better.

It's one thing competing with people who went to better schools etc. and in theory had a better opportunity at education but it's another competing with people knowing that even if you're better you don't have the right hyphenate surname or high school on your CV.

As far as rich kids gonna rich kid goes in milking the gravy train then that doesn't matter, it's just highlighting the point that your perspective changes when everything is an option to you.

 

[TheFreshBanana]

Of course.

The more meritorious a society is the better.

It's one thing competing with people who went to better schools etc. and in theory had a better opportunity at education but it's another competing with people knowing that even if you're better you don't have the right hyphenate surname or high school on your CV.

As far as rich kids gonna rich kid goes in milking the gravy train then that doesn't matter, it's just highlighting the point that your perspective changes when everything is an option to you.

Well, it doesn't matter, nor does it makes his perspective invalid.

As far as spoiled rich kids goes, the actions croweater has posted himself doing on Bigfooty have been tame in comparison, and pretty innocent.

Everyone just needs to accept whatever life gives them without throwing stones at those who had no control over being born in better circumstances.

And this is coming from someone who's parent's work at a 2 dollar store and is a house cleaner.

 

[Catfish Alley]

That other guy seemed wealthier. Forgot his name (Caesar?). Lived in Sydney. Had a yacht rather than a yacht watch

 

[Borderline]

This

 

[Gough]

It's my experience that those with a decent wedge tend not to brag about it.

 

[Cruyff14]

I've always had a problem with this kind of thinking.

Sure, I've been afforded a comfortable life and probably greater opportunities than the average person, but this notion that people from families of certain means get handed everything is misguided and pretty offensive to be honest.

I've grabbed every opportunity I've been given with both hands. I worked harder than many of my peers at university. I went for two extremely selective internships and was accepted into both of them, not because of "daddy's money", but because while my mates got pissed every weekend, I was studying. You want to know why? Because if there is only one position available, and there are 125 applicants, you have to be better than the other 124. That mentality separates the winners from the rest. That mentality got me to Washington.

There's this misconception in life that people who grew up in a family with limited means are destined to live that way forever. That's a fallacy. It's more like people who grew up in a family with limited means, and have a defeatist victim mentality, are destined to live that way forever.

For example, I'm mates with this guy from law school. He was brought up by a single mother, who was 17 when she had him. They struggled for years, but he worked his arse off at school, got into Law at Adelaide, has won a shit load of awards while there, he's involved with a bunch of community organisations, he volunteers, he works part time to help his mum with the bills and he'll graduate this year with a law degree with honours from one of the best law schools in the country.

Effort, persistence and resilience trumps privilege the majority of the time. When I had to interview interns late last year, I didn't look at the applicant's address or their high school. I looked at their academic transcripts, their mannerisms, their manner of speech, their personality traits, and their extracurricular activities.

Your respective upbringing can afford you varying levels of opportunity, but it's up to the individual to grab the bull by the horns and do something with that opportunity. Fact.

Except I was talking about SG.

Having a car bought for you and your HECS debt cleared is a lot of money. Even if your car is 5k, and your HECS debt is only 20k, that's 25k completely wiped that you never need to worry about. And that's being very generous with the sum for both of those.

Now, think if you had to buy your own car, and pay your HECS debt off yourself. Suddenly you need to be a little more conservative with money, budget etc. Your bank account could completely empty if you've been saving, then suddenly you're back at 0. As opposed to, your parents spending 20k on a car and you're then handed the keys. Huge difference.

If you're saying I have a victim mentality, I don't. But if you think you have it as hard as someone from a lower income family, you're absolutely kidding yourself and need to open your eyes. Yes, it can be up to the individual too, but as you say, the more your parents earn, the greater opportunities can be afforded to you.

 

[MrsEddieBetts]

I hope I'm in the position one day to pay my (future) kids' HECS debts and help them buy a house or travel.

 

[Catfish Alley]

I will pay for that stuff for my boys. Hopefully I would have taught them to work for things as well though. I don't think privilege and work ethic have to be exclusive.

 

[Gough]

I hope I'm in the position one day to pay my (future) kids' HECS debts and help them buy a house or travel.

My folks bought me a trip round the world for my 21st, my formal further education was up to me.

 

[King Elvis]

Croweater sounds like he came from the Malcolm Turnbull school of hard knocks.

'You wouldn't be where you are without money' may be naive and/or offensive, but 'you can reach for the stars' coming from silver spooners is much more so.

Many things in the post above are true, but it's like hearing a pretty girl giving a not so pretty girl advice on being attractive to guys.



Just the one? How many mates from law school do you know who attended top SA private schools? And how many of those had networked jobs lined up ahead of graduation?



Agreed. You can absolutely work hard and make something of yourself even if you start with nothing.

A friend of mine from (public) high school won a Rhodes scholarship and studied at Oxford. That's a pretty high achievement from someone that grew up in a single parent household in what you would probably term a middle class or upper middle class area.

The thing is, it's not just about the doors that open up from old school networks etc. but the safety nets that come from privileged upbringings. I know plenty of people from the Western Suburbs of Perth (where all our top private schools are) that 'don't care about money' because they've never had to. They float around taking gap years when they want, driving nice cars etc. safe in the knowledge that if they just get through a law degree there will be a job waiting for them down the line, and if they can't get through uni then they'll never be out on the street. That outlook/fallback position isn't something that your rages-to-riches self-made-men/women have.

****ing @sonofreep.

 

[Richard Cranium]

There's this misconception in life that people who grew up in a family with limited means are destined to live that way forever. That's a fallacy. It's more like people who grew up in a family with limited means, and have a defeatist victim mentality, are destined to live that way forever.

Depending on what you mean, this quoted bit could range from out of touch, to totally offensive.

I went to both a public and a private high school and saw first hand the difference between those who have an at least somewhat reliable home life and those who don't at all, eg. the 13 year old kids with the parent(s) seemingly okay with them barely even rocking up to school, which sadly is a real thing that happens. I don't think they had a defeatist victim mentality; they were just normal kids who never wanted to go to school (who among us ever really did?) and never had even a half way decent role model making sure they at least attended 3 days a week.

Obviously that's an extreme scenario, and I believe you when you say that you've worked hard to get where you are, but the point is that putting a blanket over an entire group of people like that suggests that you probably don't truly realise how much coming from a well off home would've helped you along the way.

 

[Exe Gesis]

Forgive the poor old people who gave us entry, taught us God in the child's prayer in the night

 

[Stratton_Gun]

I don't see why you wouldn't help your kids if you're in a position to. When people not in the position to get salty it's just jealousy. If they had that money they wouldn't be doing anything different.
When I was given a car, it was my Grandmas who passed. Sure it had done about 10,000kms but it's not the type of car you associate with a P plater so its not like I got a brand new BMW. Lucky for me I don't care too much about cars. Before that I only got the old family car that kept breaking down...

 

[BALKAN]

this petty jealousy wouldn't be so widespread if we just kept the poor in caravan parks like I suggested

 

[Stratton_Gun]

this petty jealousy wouldn't be so widespread if we just kept the poor in caravan parks like I suggested

CEO 10k per day or Gtfo

 

[PP34]

I don't see why you wouldn't help your kids if you're in a position to. When people not in the position to get salty it's just jealousy. If they had that money they wouldn't be doing anything different.
When I was given a car, it was my Grandmas who passed. Sure it had done about 10,000kms but it's not the type of car you associate with a P plater so its not like I got a brand new BMW. Lucky for me I don't care too much about cars. Before that I only got the old family car that kept breaking down...

Depends. My parents have basically made it clear they won't buy me a car. Fair enough, I've been working and it's my own fault I haven't saved better to afford one immediately after getting my license.

Can teach certain individuals a lesson about working hard, being smart with money and not being gifted everything.

One of my mates got a decent Honda for his 18th worth probably 8-10 grand. Constantly in the past 18 months he has had the cheek to give me lip about not having much of my own money, when he has never had to worry about paying for a car and has lucked into a decent paying job (for a uni student) with all that money obviously not being saved to buy a car.

I find nothing worse than people who crap on about how much money they have.

 

[the_interloper]

It's my experience that those with a decent wedge tend not to brag about it.

Correct, it's like people who can actually fight are often the nicest people, they have nothing to prove. People who talk about their toughness often are not and are trying to convince everyone (and themselves) they actually.

 

[NSWCROW]

Just got a Liverpool cap , beanie , YNWA scarf and an ANFIELD RD sign from my dear old Mum who just got back from England.

 

[Cruyff14]

Just got a Liverpool cap , beanie , YNWA scarf and an ANFIELD RD sign from my dear old Mum who just got back from England.

Oh, so you don't plan on leaving the house anytime soon then?