Traded Tim Kelly [traded with #57 and future 3rd to West Coast for #14, #24, #33 and future 1st]

[WillieNillie]

Not unusual though. It’s like 90% camper trailer builders have chassis built in China. It’s the way of the world. Compete or die.

I know what you mean but im inclined to blame the introducer more then the follower. Just me however. Can understand others who dont feel that way

 

[nurries]

I know what you mean but im inclined to blame the introducer more then the follower. Just me however. Can understand others who dont feel that way

My Dad taught Dale Alcock manual arts in Kellerberrin. He said he was the best student he pretty much ever had. Good hand skills and good family background. A friend of mine built a Dale Alcock home and I told him to mention my dad and Dale threw in all the external paving for nothing. Didn’t even know my friend. He may be a shrewd business operator but he is a good man.

 

[arsene wenger1]

This needs to be changed

No it doesn’t, it’s no different to any other player wanting a trade in the last year of their contract. It’s just another case of Geelong pretending this case is different to any other

 

[garlic munchers]

Jordan Clark looks alright...

Next target for the WA clubs given at least 2/3 players a year want back to WA.

 

[Farang83150]

Speaking on Telstra AFL Trade Radio, Wells said draft picks would likely get the deal done, but West Coast's first-round selection this year (No.14) and first-round selection in 2020 would not be enough.

He said Geelong would be open to dealing with Fremantle despite Kelly's request to be dealt to the Eagles.

"All of us are very reluctant for Tim to go at all, but for him to end up at a fierce rival like West Coast Eagles, who we've got great respect for, or Fremantle, who we've also got great respect for, we're losing a player that has come second in our best and fairest in his first two years," Wells said.

"We want to do what's best for the Geelong Footy Club, taking into account everybody else's position as well."

Wells said Geelong would be happy to accept players as part of the deal, but felt it was unlikely.

He said two top-10 picks would be "nice".

"The market has been set through these sorts of trades in recent years with significant players that have left their club."



So can we now kill the talk of pick 14, 2020 first and a second rounder back to west coast.

Oh yeah ok, because wells says so WC will just kill any ideas re what pics are offered!
Get real, it's part of the haggling FFS.
And as for the BS about fierce rivalry, what a load of garbage.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

Next target for the WA clubs given at least 2/3 players a year want back to WA.

Maybe not the “next” target, he’s signed until the end of 2022.

 

[Max zero]

Maybe not the “next” target, he’s signed until the end of 2022.

So is Papley yet...

 

[Biscut]

If two top 10 picks is what they want it is just ludicrous and totally over the odds when compared to other trades like Dangerfield (9 & 28), Judd (who was the best player in the comp, 2 and Kennedy). Kelly is not the best player in the comp.
While I'm here I may as well have a gripe about Free Agency and the compensation system.
The FA & compensation systems need an overhaul to eliminate some of the ridiculous decisions of the past like Buddy and Frawley and even the fiasco with the Motlop end of first round comp pick which was all designed to allow the Ablett feel good story to happen. It looks like being another with Brandon Ellis. Anyone that thinks he, based purely on ability, is worth any more than an end of 2nd round pick is kidding themselves, but it seems that because GC are paying him over the odds that Richmond will get an end of first round pick for him which places him in the same league as Buddy Franklin.... you cannot be serious!!
My other issue with FA is that when you look at all the FA movements, all the really big ones have been to the strongest clubs, normally based in Victoria. My main gripe is that the club of departure loses a player and is compensated by the AFL but the destination club gives up zilch. I think it is time that they are made to pay at least a small price.
I'm not sure how you would resolve it, but the solution could be something like: firstly, all comp picks to be at the end of the round that the AFL has assessed. Additionally, the destination club gives up their first pick in that round, but gets back the departure Club's first pick in the next round. So using the Lynch scenario, GC would have received pick 17 from the Tigers who would have got back 24 from GC. In the scheme of things it's not a huge price to pay for someone like Lynch, but at least it is something. Making clubs give up an earlier draft pick won't stop them picking up the really good free agents but it will affect their ability to negotiate for other players and may make them think twice about their recruiting priorities. To some extent it may limit the strong clubs getting stronger at the expense of the weaker clubs.

I have to say I do like your solution to the free agency, great idea.

 

[garlic munchers]

Maybe not the “next” target, he’s signed until the end of 2022.

After getting Kelly, it'll be the end of 2022 before we can afford to target anyone.

 

[Crankyhawk]

Why did Hannerberry and Hill choose Saints?

$ and I think pretty upfront about it.

 

[Crankyhawk]

Apparently it is, it’s basically its own state it’s so far away, and so it’s ok for a player to nominate Geelong and no other club.

Explains the attitude regarding wanting finals at the provincial ground too.. maybe let them secede from Victoria and see how well they do..

 

[Crankyhawk]

So you’d be happy if Worpel told the hawks he wants to come to geelong. You’d be happy to take whatever crap gets offered yeah and just move on.

Full of it

Happy no.
But there would be **** all we could do about it. We are pretty used to being screwed over at trade time in recent years.

 

[Biscut]

How about this cats fans.

West coast gives pick 14 & 22 to Collingwood for Grundy

We tell cats to get f’ed

Kelly tells cats to get f’ed

All clubs honour Kelly's wishes and overlook him in the psd and we get him for pick 14

West coast win three flags in a row and Geelong get to ead.

Haha

Ummmmmm, you just have pick 14 to Collingwood you fool!

 

[BartBart]

I just realized their president must be in a world of pain with his name!

Maybe that is why they moved there - and he got burnt doing it.

 

[Cobbler]

My Dad taught Dale Alcock manual arts in Kellerberrin. He said he was the best student he pretty much ever had. Good hand skills and good family background. A friend of mine built a Dale Alcock home and I told him to mention my dad and Dale threw in all the external paving for nothing. Didn’t even know my friend. He may be a shrewd business operator but he is a good man.

Is your friend Brad Hill?

 

[Scotland]

Are we getting Grundy now instead of Kelly? Cool. Seems highly likely. Maybe we can trade him and a pick for Kelly next year.

Nice to see Shuey win another b&f. He and Yeo have shared the last 4. Maybe both for Kelly? If we throw in picks...

 

[Obeanie1]

Wells will know this.

After trade period concludes club's can still trade picks.

Eagles offer 14 plus 23 plus 2020 1st with Kelly and Cats 2020 2nd coming back.

A fair offer.

Wells says no.

Eagles prearrange to trade in Crows pick 4. 13 plus 22 plus 2020 1st.

Use pick 4 in draft. Cats get nothing.

Over to you Steven.

 

[Forward Press]

Lathlain is next to Carlisle and Rivervale. Nothing good comes out of there. Lol

Requires the reader to have context and background knowledge of Perth suburbs.

Far easier and more universal wordplay with Success and Cockburn.

lrn2joke

 

[Keg on legs]

Late to the thread so sorry if this has been mentioned already..

Is there any truth to the whispers I've heard from the west that Masten will go to the cats as part of this trade? I rate him and actually reckon he looks ok in the hoops.

OhhhhhCyril what you reckon bruva?

Hai_Newman ?
Here2tellyouwhy ?

 

[Danger!Selwood]

Wells will know this.

After trade period concludes club's can still trade picks.

Eagles offer 14 plus 23 plus 2020 1st with Kelly and Cats 2020 2nd coming back.

A fair offer.

Wells says no.

Eagles prearrange to trade in Crows pick 4. 13 plus 22 plus 2020 1st.

Use pick 4 in draft. Cats get nothing.

Over to you Steven.

These things are often suggested by supporters, although realistically never happen. Clubs realize they may be on the other side of the coin next time.

A deal will be done which will probably be somewhere in the middle of what both sets of supporters are suggesting.

 

[Danger!Selwood]

Late to the thread so sorry if this has been mentioned already..

Is there any truth to the whispers I've heard from the west that Masten will go to the cats as part of this trade? I rate him and actually reckon he looks ok in the hoops.

Masten has already been delisted?

Means any club can grab him for nothing.

 

[Keg on legs]

Masten has already been delisted?

Means any club can grab him for nothing.

Oh sorry, didn't realise. Reckon he'd be a good get. Do you think the cats would be keen?

 

[Obeanie1]

These things are often suggested by supporters, although realistically never happen. Clubs realize they may be on the other side of the coin next time.

A deal will be done which will probably be somewhere in the middle of what both sets of supporters are suggesting.

Correct. The point is Wells saying the Cats may just keep Kelly simply won't happen.

Geelong need to stop this PR bullshit posturing about forcing Kelly to stay at Geelong. He has requested a trade in both his first off seasons for family reasons not because he doesn't like Geelong.

 

[Procrastinator35]

Pick 14 is an ample, fair & sufficient price for an out of contract Kelly....They'll lose him for nothing anyway the way they're over-playing a very flimsy hand indeed..

 

[Shadow89]

If two top 10 picks is what they want it is just ludicrous and totally over the odds when compared to other trades like Dangerfield (9 & 28), Judd (who was the best player in the comp, 2 and Kennedy). Kelly is not the best player in the comp.
While I'm here I may as well have a gripe about Free Agency and the compensation system.
The FA & compensation systems need an overhaul to eliminate some of the ridiculous decisions of the past like Buddy and Frawley and even the fiasco with the Motlop end of first round comp pick which was all designed to allow the Ablett feel good story to happen. It looks like being another with Brandon Ellis. Anyone that thinks he, based purely on ability, is worth any more than an end of 2nd round pick is kidding themselves, but it seems that because GC are paying him over the odds that Richmond will get an end of first round pick for him which places him in the same league as Buddy Franklin.... you cannot be serious!!
My other issue with FA is that when you look at all the FA movements, all the really big ones have been to the strongest clubs, normally based in Victoria. My main gripe is that the club of departure loses a player and is compensated by the AFL but the destination club gives up zilch. I think it is time that they are made to pay at least a small price.
I'm not sure how you would resolve it, but the solution could be something like: firstly, all comp picks to be at the end of the round that the AFL has assessed. Additionally, the destination club gives up their first pick in that round, but gets back the departure Club's first pick in the next round. So using the Lynch scenario, GC would have received pick 17 from the Tigers who would have got back 24 from GC. In the scheme of things it's not a huge price to pay for someone like Lynch, but at least it is something. Making clubs give up an earlier draft pick won't stop them picking up the really good free agents but it will affect their ability to negotiate for other players and may make them think twice about their recruiting priorities. To some extent it may limit the strong clubs getting stronger at the expense of the weaker clubs.

I honestly think I'd rather get rid of free agency all together. It's all too vague. Means that any club who wants a top-shelf player, has to trade for it regardless. If clubs can't agree on a trade, then they go to the draft and a lower-placed club gets said player. Takes the guesswork out of it, and means most clubs will just trade for the player, so that both parties end up with something. Also means that the 'secret herbs and spices' combination of contract length, money, age, player quality etc. doesn't come into play.

Recent high profile deals that could have been affected by this:

Dangerfield - Two Top 10 picks (instead of 9, 28 and Gore - second fairest, but Adelaide could have gotten more)
Lynch - Two Top 10 picks (instead of pick 3 - although this was the fairest on GC side of things)
Buddy - Two Top 10 picks (instead of Pick 19 - absolute farce and a joke)

IMO, the biggest issue that FA provides to the comp as a whole is that it stifles 'equalization.' Even if the club (GC for example) gets a pick worthy of that player in compensation (Pick 3), the club acquiring said player loses nothing and strengthens their team even further. Naturally, all players want to go to better clubs (unless they value money most). So, these players will go to clubs that are already 'contending.' This means clubs that are up, stay up. It's a bad system, and keeps better teams up and lower teams down.