Tim Lane: "Flawed Eagles hardly heinous"

[gotheflag]

Why would a club ask a player now if a player was on drugs.

Worsfold did and he said the players all lied and now he says they are drug free.

Work it out, if a drug is out of your system in 12 hours and your getting the benefits 24 to 36 hours later you will not be caught on matchday but you are still a drug cheat.

 

[Howard Littlejohn]

As a person who considers himself to be a man of the world, it was a complete shock to me when I found out that men aged between 20 and 30 years-of-age had a propensity to take drugs. Who would have thought?

Fair comment really.

 

[Rob]

A couple of things here (mainly for the benefit of one clearly obsessed poster).

Firstly no-one has ever said Ben Cousins was an addict, his father said he had a substance abuse problem, there is a difference here. (Might not see it if you look out of red and white eyes though.)

Secondly, no-one has ever said that Cousins was using ice, that is a conclusion that the media jumped to and everyone now accepts as fact. (Someone printed it so it must be true right?)

Thirdly no-one ever said that 8 players were playing under the influence of any kind of drug. Worsfold said that eight players had admitted to trying drugs. He also said that some of them dont play for the club anymore (we can all think of three that fit into this catagory, two are on lists currently.)

If you can find me an AFL club that doesn't have five current players that have tried drugs at some point, I would be quite happy to hand you the cup we won fair and square last year.

Here lies the classic head in the sand Eagles supporter response.

First, try and play it down. "It's not that bad".
Then try and completely play it down to nothing. "Where's the proof?"
Finally, go on the attack. "All the other clubs have the same problems"

And when you're completely beaten, you go to the last resort. "It's a Victorian media conspiracy" THat's a regular one on talkback radio.

 

[West Coast 06]

Why would a club ask a player now if a player was on drugs.

Worsfold did and he said the players all lied and now he says they are drug free.

Work it out, if a drug is out of your system in 12 hours and your getting the benefits 24 to 36 hours later you will not be caught on matchday but you are still a drug cheat.

There is clearly a problem if you cannot take two different conversations and recognise that they dont cross over at any point.

Worsfold said that Cousins had lied when the club had outlined their concerns to him about why he had missed some training sessions.

He said a few of the players, each was asked individually and face to face, had admitted to experimenting with drugs at some point in their lives.

Tell me how drug is not in your system but you still get the benefits of it? I am not a pharmacist but I do have a basic understanding of drug actions and cannot work this one out.

 

[gotheflag]

Face the facts.

WC have kept their heads in the sand the last 5 or more seasons and you can see why they can get away with it for so long when so many people have their heads in the sand and never ask the direct questions and WC giving their wishy washy answers.

WC wishy washy premiers 2006
Sydney Premiers 2006

 

[West Coast 06]

Here lies the classic head in the sand Eagles supporter response.

First, try and play it down. "It's not that bad".
Then try and completely play it down to nothing. "Where's the proof?"
Finally, go on the attack. "All the other clubs have the same problems"

And when you're completely beaten, you go to the last resort. "It's a Victorian media conspiracy" THat's a regular one on talkback radio.

Coming from a supporter of one of the clubs with a player testing positive twice last year this is quite amusing. You may have traded him, but do you think he was out partying on his own?

SD I know what you did last summer.

 

[gotheflag]

If you want to know how a drug is out of your system and you still get a benefit have a read of ASADA and WADA and people who work with the IOC.

 

[Rob]

Coming from a supporter of one of the clubs with a player testing positive twice last year this is quite amusing. You may have traded him, but do you think he was out partying on his own?

SD I know what you did last summer.

'All the other clubs have the same problems'.

 

[West Coast 06]

If you want to know how a drug is out of your system and you still get a benefit have a read of ASADA and WADA and people who work with the IOC.

And here I was thinking you knew what you were talking about and could explain it to me.

 

[West Coast 06]

'All the other clubs have the same problems'.

Where are his purple undies???

 

[hoogs]

Well it quite possibly could be alcohol for all you know, the fact is no-one does know so why have a guess at what it may or may not be?

Head in the sand is the other 15 clubs pretenting that there is nothing going on at their clubs of you ask me!

the fact is no-one does know so why have a guess at what it may or may not be?

No club has ever done this in the real world buddy, maybe in your little fantasy world this happened, but not in the real world.[/QUOTE]

...the fact is no-one does know so why have a guess at what it may or may not be?

 

[Brewster_]

Why would a club ask a player now if a player was on drugs.

Worsfold did and he said the players all lied and now he says they are drug free.

Work it out, if a drug is out of your system in 12 hours and your getting the benefits 24 to 36 hours later you will not be caught on matchday but you are still a drug cheat.

WTF does this mean? How can a drug be out of your system, but it will affect you 24 to 36 hours later?

 

[Captain Random]

Here lies the classic head in the sand Eagles supporter response.

First, try and play it down. "It's not that bad".
Then try and completely play it down to nothing. "Where's the proof?"
Finally, go on the attack. "All the other clubs have the same problems"

And when you're completely beaten, you go to the last resort. "It's a Victorian media conspiracy" THat's a regular one on talkback radio.

Whereas with your blokes, it's always the media's fault.

And if that doesn't work, just call everyone who picks on Farmer a racist. Problem solvered.

 

[bunsen burner]

U have a nice way of trying to bend the truth to suit.

1. Why werent we told wasnt the question being asked...it was "WHY DIDNT THEY DO ANYTHING ABOOUT IT ?"

Actually ****chops, plenty on here were screaming why the public weren't made aware. And people were still jumping up and down because Gooding wasn't completely candid.

But whilst on the subject of "WHY DIDNT THEY DO ANYTHING ABOOUT IT ?", what do you and others think they should have done? Do you think they didn't try things? And did you not notice that they DID do something about it that wasn't forced by the media or public pressure?

2. You got a problem understanding why SOME (not myself) might simply wonder if MORE were on speed ?

Obviously you can't read.

I have never said they definitely weren't on something. Many have said they were. Get your facts right before you mouth off.

Speed is a performance enhancing drug whether u like it or not...

If it's PE then why isn't it on the PE list? And please explain how taking speed or coke or whatever in the off season or spare time (read: when out partying) is PE?

it is banned in all sports and u dont need to be einstein to work out why INTELLIGENT people would ask the question.

Listen dumbo, go read my post again. I wasn't referring to people who questioned (note how i said "may have, may not have), rather the many who assumed they were on drugs during games. And there are plenty including people like Jim Main who have taken this line.

3. See 2...not sure why u are playing dumb...ppl arnt "idiots" for thinking that drugs in sport is "cheating"...

Yes they are. If someone thinks taking illicit drugs in the off season is cheating is dumb. So is someone who thinks a person who hasn't been tested +ve for PE is cheating and should be suspended (or Eagles hand in thir flag).

quite the contrary...u would need to be an absolute numbskull to think taking drugs is NOT cheating coz it is banned under the rules of the game....

The AFL do not see illicit drug taking as cheating. Do you really think they would give 3 chances for a cheat? And are you aware why the AFL bans some drugs first +ve test whilst others get 3 chances? Just because it's against the rules doesn't mean the AFL see it as cheating.

Didn't think this one out properly did you dumbo?

the unanswered issue is whether he took amphetimines before or during any games and we will never know the answer to this...it is logical tho for ppl to speculate...its not idiocy...it is afterall a self inflicted issue and one confirmed as a possibility by his coach.

You need to read my post again. I never referred to these people.

4. You're just exaggerating for effect from Tim Lanes waffle... irrelevant and you're just trying your best to belittle what is a MAJOR story....this will only make YOU an idiot.

You got the wrong bloke, arsehat. Go search my posts on the subject - you'll find i've been rational and on the money all the way through.

 

[Eagle87]

Why would a club ask a player now if a player was on drugs.

Worsfold did and he said the players all lied and now he says they are drug free.

Work it out, if a drug is out of your system in 12 hours and your getting the benefits 24 to 36 hours later you will not be caught on matchday but you are still a drug cheat.

You are a deadset fool!

WADA - the World Anti Doping Agency - have determined that the drugs in question are only performance enhancing when used/in your system on game day!

You of course are more knowledgeable than them

Why in Gods name can't you grasp this notion?

 

[bunsen burner]

West Coast / their doctor knew players were on drugs which are on the performance enhancing list and they continued playing those players.

Did they?

Just because 8 players admitted to using drugs doesn't mean they were "on drugs".

 

[bunsen burner]

Some of these drugs are out of your system in 12 hours tey you get the benefit 24 to 36 hours later.

Anychance you can back this up?

ps put the ice pipe down.

 

[bunsen burner]

Firstly no-one has ever said Ben Cousins was an addict, his father said he had a substance abuse problem, there is a difference here. (Might not see it if you look out of red and white eyes though.)

He is a drug addict.

What is in question is whether or not he was 8 months ago. Just because he missed training a few times and was obviously using, doesn't necessarily mean he was an addict back then or playing UI as many idiots on here and the media have assumed as gospel.

Secondly, no-one has ever said that Cousins was using ice, that is a conclusion that the media jumped to and everyone now accepts as fact. (Someone printed it so it must be true right?)

It was ice. End of story.

Thirdly no-one ever said that 8 players were playing under the influence of any kind of drug.

This seems to have flown over many people's heads. We're talking LCD TT/ACA watchers here. Even people in the media who you'd assume are smart can't grasp this one.

If you can find me an AFL club that doesn't have five current players that have tried drugs at some point, I would be quite happy to hand you the cup we won fair and square last year.

I'd happily stake my left bollock on this too. I'd even bet 8 players.

 

[bunsen burner]

WC were asked about Fletcher and have responded with
1) he had pneumonia
2) he had too much alcohol
3) he had an allergic reaction to a yellow fever injection

What did you expect them to say? Do you really think it's feasible for a club to not cover something like this up? Do you think your club would act any different?

If a club admits to having a player on a drug(s) that is on the performancing enhancing list and kept playing him do you just overlook it?

There is absolutely no evidence that any WCE player used PE drugs.

You are one of the idiots that I referred to in my first post in this thread.

 

[bunsen burner]

Work it out, if a drug is out of your system in 12 hours and your getting the benefits 24 to 36 hours later you will not be caught on matchday but you are still a drug cheat.

Are you making this up or are you really this stupid?

 

[Brewster_]

Originally Posted by gotheflag

Work it out, if a drug is out of your system in 12 hours and your getting the benefits 24 to 36 hours later you will not be caught on matchday but you are still a drug cheat.

Are you making this up or are you really this stupid?

I'm waiting for him to explain this little doozy.

 

[Bollox]

The AFL do not see illicit drug taking as cheating. Do you really think they would give 3 chances for a cheat? And are you aware why the AFL bans some drugs first +ve test whilst others get 3 chances? Just because it's against the rules doesn't mean the AFL see it as cheating.

Numbskull of the day award

Top stuff ...it's a deadset nimrod competition amongst u girls at the moment isnt it.

With stuff like this you're making a late but good run at the leaderboard.

I guess u lot are just desperate now...nothing to say but utter drivel and mindless backpeddling ...understandable...but try not to embarass yaself in the process shytfabrains.

 

[Eagle87]

Numbskull of the day award

Top stuff ...it's a deadset nimrod competition amongst u girls at the moment isnt it.

With stuff like this you're making a late but good run at the leaderboard.

I guess u lot are just desperate now...nothing to say but utter drivel and mindless backpeddling ...understandable...but try not to embarass yaself in the process shytfabrains.

Classic Bollox post.

Was nailed on every other point, found a possible (although doubtful) hole in one line of a page long response and drives headlong into that "hole" with guns blazing and balls out!

Quality stuff

Absolutely wrong. Absolutely mind-numbingly stupid. Moronic. Bitterness still evident. But Quality!

 

[bunsen burner]

Face the facts.

WC wishy washy premiers 2006
Sydney Premiers 2006

Pretty sure the Eagles won it actually. You want to tune into the footy tonight - pretty sure the Eagles are going to unfurl the flag before the game.

ps And at east make an attempt to do some research about drugs before posting about it on a forum.

 

[bunsen burner]

If you want to know how a drug is out of your system and you still get a benefit have a read of ASADA and WADA and people who work with the IOC.

Why don't you post it for us?

I'm not going to look because I know it isn't there. This is an opportune moment for you to prove everyone wrong don't you think?