Governments building stadiums for the AFL?
Ok, list them, and you will soon see that you have actually made a false claim there.
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Governments building stadiums for the AFL?
Ok, list them, and you will soon see that you have actually made a false claim there.
del_horno15
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Carrara Stadium upgrade- QLD taxpayers have to fork out for something they wont use (Face it, the Titans get 15-20k average, United got less than 5k, AFL wont fare any better)
Blacktown and Sydney Showgrounds- as above.
Adelaide Oval redevelopment- AFL was the key player.
AAMI stadium upgrade a few years back- state govt paid $150m just to upgrade a AFL ground, and yet Adelaide still dont have a new hospital.
Proposed 'boutique' stadium in Melbourne- AFL has put it on the backburner because Brumby just laughed at the suggestion of the state paying for it.
Aurora Stadium Launceston- TAS govt paying in return for more games there, hardly paying the state back.
Training grounds: Whitten Oval, Arden Street off the top of my head.
melbournemartin
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I don't want Melbourne to lose its home ground advantage at the MCG for one match, let alone several. Take the soccer World Cup to a nation which would enjoy it and benefit more from it.
I agree with you.
One of the oldest football clubs in the world should actually get precedence over everyone else.
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melbournemartin
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Funny you mention that, as I was looking at a list of some of the oldest football clubs in the world. Aside from some rugby clubs and perhaps some Irish clubs, very little comes close to Melbourne. Definitely none of the powerhouse soccer teams.
You said the Government had built stadiums for the AFL.
In none of those cases mentioned do we have a situation where the Government has built and handed over a stadium to the AFL.
The AFL will rent those stadiums during its season (at a decent rate), pay for their maintenance, and the stadium operators will rent out the stadium in the off-season for other uses, e.g. cricket in Summer.
For almost the whole of it 151 year existence, Australian Football has subsidised sporting infrastructure in this country.
That's right.
Apart from a handful of English clubs, the vast bulk of them are Johnny-come-latelys.
You can look at all the great soccer clubs of Germany, Italy, Spain, Portugal, Holland, Brazil and Argentina, and Melbourne FC is nearly 50 years older than each and every one of them.
Yet we have Australians on this forum who continually do their utmost to deny our own history and culture and put it down in the worst form of cultural cringe imagineable.
Then they have the temerity to call me a troll!!
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or they could just not play a home game for 8 weeks
But then the obvious question is: why should members go without a home game for 8 weeks? (it's actually 10 weeks)
del_horno15
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Well you can have an old club, but they didnt have a league to play in until 1896, which is about on par with the european leagues. So they must have twidled their thumbs for a while.
What i was getting at with the stadiums is that state goverments pay huge money to build/upgrade stadiums that can only be used for AFL, not run by the AFL (exception being Docklands). Thus they go from community multi purpose stadia, to AFL only white elephants. They try to justify this by paying rent etc, but with such huge outlays, it will take many years to fully repay the state. The AFL also cry foul when Cricket use they MCG, SCG, Gabba as they cant start their season earlier 'cause the ground is unavailable'. Can you imagine that in the EPL? Chelsea go to the league and say they cant play cause their ground is being used by someone else. How embarrassing.
What i was getting at with the stadiums is that state goverments pay huge money to build/upgrade stadiums that can only be used for AFL, not run by the AFL (exception being Docklands). Thus they go from community multi purpose stadia, to AFL only white elephants. They try to justify this by paying rent etc, but with such huge outlays, it will take many years to fully repay the state. The AFL also cry foul when Cricket use they MCG, SCG, Gabba as they cant start their season earlier 'cause the ground is unavailable'. Can you imagine that in the EPL? Chelsea go to the league and say they cant play cause their ground is being used by someone else. How embarrassing.
When did this happen?
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its not like there's going to be less home games, there's just an 8 week(last time i checked the tournament only went for a month not 6 weeks) gap in the middle of season.
plus there is no such thing as home ground advantage in Melbourne anymore
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Hi all. New to site.
Just after a link site from the AFL from which i can post links to curious souls that follow other "football" codes, that can highlight how superior our game is.
I'd like to share the St Kilda vs Geelong game of 2009 at Etihad just for an introduction.
Is it possible?
Just after a link site from the AFL from which i can post links to curious souls that follow other "football" codes, that can highlight how superior our game is.
I'd like to share the St Kilda vs Geelong game of 2009 at Etihad just for an introduction.
Is it possible?
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Problem is that some people adamantly refuse to acknowledge the AFLs status as Australias main code.
Almost as bad as the people that think that anything negative towards Australia hosting the WC is an AFL conspiracy.
Ever heard of the VFA! Even before the VFA there were local competitions. You might want to learn your history first before you type and make a fool of yourself
Anyway the author of that article is just Soccer's equivalent of Rebecca Wilson. Nothing but an uneducated mindless rant at a sport the author doesn't like. The AFL signed the M.O.U. and the bid book has been submitted. So we can forget the conspiracy theories
. Seems this article is just another "let's get ready to blame the AFL if FIFA doesn't pick Australia as 2022 host" Zzzzzzzzz!
Yes, and my response is that not one single cent of Government money has ever gone to a stadium that is "only" used by the AFL.
Not one single cent.
What you find is Government clamouring to get the AFL on board because the AFL helps pay for stadiums.
Did you notice that five of 12 of the WC bid stadiums are AFL grounds? Because the AFL is the only comp that covers the full costs of stadiums - that is why it is able to own (in 2025) a billion dollar asset like Docklands, completely funded by private equity.
Whereas with the WC bid, with the zillions of dollars it's meant to generate, and not one cent of private investment is going into any proposed stadiums.
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In the 90's the AFL thought that they cracked the US market because they got hold of information relating to a few establishments in the US that without fail would buy a satellite subscription to AFL games every year. Heading over to the US to investigate, they were surprised (although they shouldn't have been) to learn that these establishments were all located within San Francisco's Castro District. They discovered that the patrons in these establishments actually didn't care about the game, they were getting aroused at the sight of men in singlets and tight shorts grappling and falling all over each other.
There is a market out there, just like the Swans who have won over most of the Paddington/Oxford Street crowd, so too can the AFL win over gay and lesbians the world over, just make sure to showcase the games at the right venues, such as the various Love Parades that happen throughout Europe.
Are you talking about the same Melbourne that sells home games interstate?
Can you really talk given you joined 6 months earlier?
Articles like this overhyping AFL's opposition do more damage than anything - are these people stupid or what ?
AFL has a good record of accommodating international events (olympics, comm games)
I must take issue with the tourism claim. they never quote nett figures taking into account the tourists who stay away to avoid price gouging (fact) and loutish behaviour (percieved)
Also most of the criticism of the poor standard of much of the recent world cup has come from soccer commentators. funny how they changed tune late in the piece and procalim what a 'wonderful world cup' it has been.
PS I'm all for a reasonably priced world cup. Bu do they realise if australians see the 'best in the world' live - they are going to have even more contempt for the poor standard of the A-league ?
AFL has a good record of accommodating international events (olympics, comm games)
I must take issue with the tourism claim. they never quote nett figures taking into account the tourists who stay away to avoid price gouging (fact) and loutish behaviour (percieved)
Also most of the criticism of the poor standard of much of the recent world cup has come from soccer commentators. funny how they changed tune late in the piece and procalim what a 'wonderful world cup' it has been.
PS I'm all for a reasonably priced world cup. Bu do they realise if australians see the 'best in the world' live - they are going to have even more contempt for the poor standard of the A-league ?
I joined on 12 December 2009 (by my reckoning, exactly 7 months ago).
I was encouraged to join by the existence of this very board, I felt I had a lot to contribute to the discussion (incidentally, I had already started writing on the subject on both my personal blog and in The Roar, where I wrote as Mister Football, with the same avatar).
My opposition to the WC bid has been based on the same points from the word go, never deviating:
1. it's a massive waste of taxpayer funds;
2. it's done so to benefit a corrupt, foreign organisation; and
3. soccer in Australia has not done enough off their own bat to warrant it (and unbelievably, we get soccer fans pointing the finger at the AFL, as if they're responsible for the bid!!)
Contrary to popular opinion, I contribute right across BF, at a rate of 18.76 posts per day (which I would hardly think is excessive, sounds pretty low to me).
On top of that, I am a member of the Geelong Gumbies in the Sweet FA (no, that's not the FFA, by the way).
Let me assure you, only a very select few get an invitation to play for the Geelong Gumbies. I'm definitely in elite company there.
What does being old have to do with anything. Being one of the oldest clubs in the world yet can only attract around 10k more members than a 5 year old soccer club in the same city.
Quite sad for such an old club.
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