Traded Tom Barrass & 2025 F4 (WCE) traded to Hawthorn for 2025 F1, F2 & F3 (all Haw)

[John Wayne II]

Courting

FFS your player was looking around for a new club, get a grip.

If you take a girl out for dinner you're courting her champ

 

[bzparkes]

So not the point, so many eagles fans here pretending Barras was a happy eagle and the hawks corrupted him.

Nobody's said that. They simply acknowledge that Barrass is gettable, considering he was in talks with the Bulldogs before Hawthorn jumped in.

Talk about twisting the truth!

Ironic.

I’d be happy for the Hawks to provided a 1st and 2nd round pick for Barrass.

Where we are at in our rebuild, we can afford to risk two first Round picks. Especially with TAS coming to the draft soon.

The fact that Hawthorn are making a play for Barrass would indicate they feel they are pretty much done rebuilding, which would make sense, otherwise why on earth would they trade out of the first round this year and push back the 'rebuild' by another year, into a very compromised draft?

Hawthorn are clearly in 'win-now' mode, as evidenced by their trading activity last year and courting of Barrass and Battle this year.

 

[Ashman23]

Both picks will be close to 20 by the tome they are matched, it's a fair price for a top 10 key defender in the comp.

You could also be sitting on pick one (doubtful admittedly), wasn't that long ago that the Hawks were a bottom four team, perhaps this season was a flash in the pan.
Everyone seems to forget that if you happen to snag a F1 and F2 for Barrass it will help if you're after Warner next offseason, not withstanding what the trade for Baker ends up becoming.

 

[bzparkes]

Courting

FFS your player was looking around for a new club, get a grip.

Barrass was talking to Western Bulldogs. Your mob got wind of it and moved in.

So yes, Hawthorn were indeed 'courting' him.

 

[Barrybran]

How does the point system change the pick? Not being facetious. I thought all it did was reduce the value of 2nd and 3rd round picks as FS/Academy compo.

Have I missed something?

The draft change adding another element to upcoming trade frenzy

Cal Twomey takes a look at how changes to the points model could impact this year's Trade Period

www.afl.com.au

 

[CaptainWorpedo]

If you take a girl out for dinner you're courting her champ

The only way you’re paying for a girl on a contract is if she’s a hooker. I guess both are professionals

 

[Guardian Hawk]

Your club courted a bloke on a 3 year contract for months and are offering a turd burger to us for his services.

A 'turd burger' - is that serious?

We offered pick 14 in a strong draft (and a decent pick upgrade) for a 29 year old defender with no personal accolades (unless you count a B&F in a 2 win team).

Find me ANY 29+ year old that has been traded for a top 15 pick in the last 20 years?

A pick that high for someone of that age is a very good offer. The last 29 year old traded was Brodie Grundy - a multiple AA ruckman that would obviously improve Sydney massively - he was traded for an end of 2nd round pick. The previous 29 year old traded was Tom Mitchell (a Brownlow, MVP, AA and B&F winner) who helped Collingwood win a flag and he was traded for some nothing picks in the 40's and an average kid that couldn't get a game (and has since been delisted).

Players of that age never fetch a premium (just like when Hawthorn traded Jordan Lewis or Sam Mitchell or Grant Birchall or Jack Gunston or anyone from any team in that 29+ bracket). A first round pick and extras is a great offer.

What about players similar to Barass that have bene traded over the years - Brian Lake is the most similar example (Lake was much better and a multiple AA). He was traded for a pick swap in the 20's. The next most similar is probably Aliir Aliir - except he was 26 at the time. He was traded for a 2nd rounder.

So, of everyone of that age and ilk are traded for much less than Hawthorn offered, what does a pick in the teens usually get you?

Well - I've looked and in the last 8 years, 3 players have been traded for a sole pick in the teens. Those three are:

a 23 year old Tom Mitchell - before he went on to immediately win AA's, B&F's, MVP's, etc.
a 23 year old Charlie Cameron - before he went on to win AA's, a flag, etc.
and a 24 year old Jordan Dawson - before he went on to immediately win AA's, B&F's, etc.

and you're describing a similar offer as a 'turd burger'. Laughable.

 

[CaptainWorpedo]

Barrass was talking to Western Bulldogs. Your mob got wind of it and moved in.

So yes, Hawthorn were indeed 'courting' him.

You just proved my point Barrass was shopping himself around.

 

[Daka]

 

[John Wayne II]

You could also be sitting on pick one (doubtful admittedly), wasn't that long ago that the Hawks were a bottom four team, perhaps this season was a flash in the pan.
Everyone seems to forget that if you happen to snag a F1 and F2 for Barrass it will help if you're after Warner next offseason, not withstanding what the trade for Baker ends up becoming.

So we should assume best case scenario during a rebuild in a draft that isn't as strong as the current one and which will be heavily compromised, just to appease the Vic Media? Get a grip man.

 

[John Wayne II]

A 'turd burger' - is that serious?

We offered pick 14 in a strong draft (and a decent pick upgrade) for a 29 year old defender with no personal accolades (unless you count a B&F in a 2 win team).

Find me ANY 29+ year old that has been traded for a top 15 pick in the last 20 years?

A pick that high for someone of that age is a very good offer. The last 29 year old traded was Brodie Grundy - a multiple AA ruckman that would obviously improve Sydney massively - he was traded for an end of 2nd round pick. The previous 29 year old traded was Tom Mitchell (a Brownlow, MVP, AA and B&F winner) who helped Collingwood win a flag and he was traded for some nothing picks in the 40's and an average kid that couldn't get a game (and has since been delisted).

Players of that age never fetch a premium (just like when Hawthorn traded Jordan Lewis or Sam Mitchell or Grant Birchall or Jack Gunston or anyone from any team in that 29+ bracket). A first round pick and extras is a great offer.

What about players similar to Barass that have bene traded over the years - Brian Lake is the most similar example (Lake was much better and a multiple AA). He was traded for a pick swap in the 20's. The next most similar is probably Aliir Aliir - except he was 26 at the time. He was traded for a 2nd rounder.

So, of everyone of that age and ilk are traded for much less than Hawthorn offered, what does a pick in the teens usually get you?

Well - I've looked and in the last 8 years, 3 players have been traded for a sole pick in the teens. Those three are:

a 23 year old Tom Mitchell - before he went on to immediately win AA's, B&F's, MVP's, etc.
a 23 year old Charlie Cameron - before he went on to win AA's, a flag, etc.
and a 24 year old Jordan Dawson - before he went on to immediately win AA's, B&F's, etc.

and you're describing a similar offer as a 'turd burger'. Laughable.

If you didn't understand what Barrass was worth to West Coast before courting him for 6 months, that's on you chief.

 

[kerrazy]

A 'turd burger' - is that serious?

We offered pick 14 in a strong draft (and a decent pick upgrade) for a 29 year old defender with no personal accolades (unless you count a B&F in a 2 win team).

Find me ANY 29+ year old that has been traded for a top 15 pick in the last 20 years?

A pick that high for someone of that age is a very good offer. The last 29 year old traded was Brodie Grundy - a multiple AA ruckman that would obviously improve Sydney massively - he was traded for an end of 2nd round pick. The previous 29 year old traded was Tom Mitchell (a Brownlow, MVP, AA and B&F winner) who helped Collingwood win a flag and he was traded for some nothing picks in the 40's and an average kid that couldn't get a game (and has since been delisted).

Players of that age never fetch a premium (just like when Hawthorn traded Jordan Lewis or Sam Mitchell or Grant Birchall or Jack Gunston or anyone from any team in that 29+ bracket). A first round pick and extras is a great offer.

What about players similar to Barass that have bene traded over the years - Brian Lake is the most similar example (Lake was much better and a multiple AA). He was traded for a pick swap in the 20's. The next most similar is probably Aliir Aliir - except he was 26 at the time. He was traded for a 2nd rounder.

So, of everyone of that age and ilk are traded for much less than Hawthorn offered, what does a pick in the teens usually get you?

Well - I've looked and in the last 8 years, 3 players have been traded for a sole pick in the teens. Those three are:

a 23 year old Tom Mitchell - before he went on to immediately win AA's, B&F's, MVP's, etc.
a 23 year old Charlie Cameron - before he went on to win AA's, a flag, etc.
and a 24 year old Jordan Dawson - before he went on to immediately win AA's, B&F's, etc.

and you're describing a similar offer as a 'turd burger'. Laughable.

You don't wine and dine a contracted KPD then offer a late first rounder. Simple as that. And none of those deals are in anyway comparable.

Gotta be careful hawks. Player managers will discourage their clients from joining your shameful organisation.

 

[Come back Cyril]

The draft change adding another element to upcoming trade frenzy

Cal Twomey takes a look at how changes to the points model could impact this year's Trade Period

www.afl.com.au

Thanks. That's helpful.

 

[CaptainWorpedo]

Oh get a grip!

Barrass was shopping himself around to clubs, Sydney, Doggies and us.

Happy players don’t do this at all.

Eagles owe Barrass more than the Hawks, you have a current contract with him. Make your man happy trade or give him a pay rise.

Keep him as is and you risk him losing his love of the game at 29/30.

 

[sydney_gws]

I think eagles are happy with 2025r2 and Baker for Barass.
Accept 2025r1,r2 for barass, 2025r3.
Then trade 2025r1 for Baker.
Easy.

 

[John Wayne II]

Oh get a grip!

Barrass was shopping himself around to clubs, Sydney, Doggies and us.

Happy players don’t do this at all.

Eagles owe Barrass more than the Hawks, you have a current contract with him. Make your man happy trade or give him a pay rise.

Keep him as is and you risk him losing his love of the game at 29/30.

Cool story, pay up or he stays.

 

[John Wayne II]

I think eagles are happy with 2025r2 and Baker for Barass.
Accept 2025r1,r2 for barass, 2025r3.
Then trade 2025r1 for Baker.
Easy.

No way we are happy with that.

2 future firsts after they stuffed up the pick 14 + second deal

 

[CaptainWorpedo]

Cool story, pay up or he stays.

Don’t deal with fact well! I am not fussed if he stays, keep him lmao!

 

[kerrazy]

https://www.abc.net.au/listen/progr...92?utm_content=link&utm_medium=content_shared

Roosy absolutely nails it.

Abhorrent stuff from the hawks list management team. Should be ashamed.

 

[sydney_gws]

No way we are happy with that.

2 future firsts after they stuffed up the pick 14 + second deal

Do you accept one 1st, two 2nds for barass, r3.

 

[John Wayne II]

Don’t deal with fact well! I am not fussed if he stays, keep him lmao!

Great, that would genuinely be awesome. We keep an elite KPP and don't accept unders.

 

[Come back Cyril]

Both picks will be close to 20 by the tome they are matched, it's a fair price for a top 10 key defender in the comp.

Ok with thanks to Barrybran for clarifying the new pick weighing rule changes (which won't impact first round picks positions) - valuing both picks at 20 is a worst case scenario exaggeration - not a position to enter negotiations with.

Ironically makes both 1st and second round picks more valuable next year for trading (as can't just load up on 3rds anymore to match).

 

[bzparkes]

You just proved my point Barrass was shopping himself around.

To the Bulldogs.

Hawthorn got wind and 'courted' him.

Also, it's Barrass shopping himself, not WCE, but it's the Eagles Hawthorn need to satisfy in a trade.

 

[John Wayne II]

Do you accept one 1st, two 2nds for barass, r3.

At this point, after they blew up the deal, I personally wouldn't.

 

[Ashman23]

So we should assume best case scenario during a rebuild in a draft that isn't as strong as the current one and which will be heavily compromised, just to appease the Vic Media? Get a grip man.

OK, keep Barrass then.

You could take those picks and trade into this year's draft (don't forget your club already knocked back pick 14 in this year's draft)

Not sure why you're referring to the Vic media. I was pointing out how next year's picks might be beneficial or get you Warner (compromised, hmm, maybe those picks might be of benefit to other clubs who may need points) but whatever man, I'll be sure to grab on.

Anyway goodluck with the rebuild with a small handful of picks.