Traded Tom Scully [traded to Hawthorn for a future fourth round pick]

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Shadow89 said:
It actually affects the AFL as a whole. It compromises the draft system and keeps the bottom teams down when they can never acquire established players, because it means that teams like Hawthorn can give up whatever they want and teams like St Kilda can propose to give up the farm, but never actually acquire anyone due to their relatively low standing. It means that the draft becomes meaningless because teams like Hawthorn never have to give up high draft picks, because the system has dictated that they can acquire players for less because of nomination by the players.
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I agree this is the BS part of it. AFL rolled over too easily to the AFLPA. Free Agency should've been accompanied by the clubs' ability to trade a player without consent being needed

In saying all of that wouldn't you, as a player, want to be coached by Clarko as opposed to some of the other options out there?

Shadow89 said:
It doesn't surprise me in the least that nearly all the Hawthorn supporters in this thread have little to no integrity at all. As I previously said, you'd all be screaming black and blue if you were a team like Gold Coast or St Kilda down the bottom of the ladder.
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The rules are the rules much like Paddy or Gary saying "I only want to go to Geelong" (which meant you got them both on unders and, in Paddy's case, a shit trade going the other way). In this instance we benefited from it.
 
Channels said:
Well played Hawks.

Rolling the dice with high risk, high reward strategy. Managed their cap well enough to snare someone like this if they came up.

Did see that Durea left, is that a biggish loss or the incoming exceeds the outgoing?
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He’s been a great stalwart and clubman and 2 time premiership player for us but has struggled for games this year and we were only prepared to offer him a 1 year contract extension whereas he’s getting 2 years at the Dogs.

I like Doc but he isn’t vital and we’d be happy to be able to provide an opportunity for him to progress in his AFL career albeit at another club.
 

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HawkMongrel said:
Kane Cornes 2mins into trade period: "Hawthorn trade period a disaster"

Hawthorn: Scrim, Scully for a few picks

Kane Cornes: "Shit, that blew up in my face, better deflect quickly"

lol eat the most gargantuan bag of dicks you phelcher.
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You took notice of him = Cornes wins again.

When will people learn lol.
 
Shadow89 said:
It actually affects the AFL as a whole. It compromises the draft system and keeps the bottom teams down when they can never acquire established players, because it means that teams like Hawthorn can give up whatever they want and teams like St Kilda can propose to give up the farm, but never actually acquire anyone due to their relatively low standing. It means that the draft becomes meaningless because teams like Hawthorn never have to give up high draft picks, because the system has dictated that they can acquire players for less because of nomination by the players.

It doesn't surprise me in the least that nearly all the Hawthorn supporters in this thread have little to no integrity at all. As I previously said, you'd all be screaming black and blue if you were a team like Gold Coast or St Kilda down the bottom of the ladder.
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It’s like Paddy Dangerfield never happened. :)
 
SL16 said:
Hah it'd be great to see the AFL overturn an obvious one-sided trade, it'd take guts by the AFL, but I'd love it.
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Didn't you guys get Luke Hodge for like pick 250 or something. And he's probably your best defender after Harris Andrews.

Now that's a obvious one sided trade.

Hawthorn giveth and Hawthorn taketh away.

:)
 
Remember when Burgoyne arrived at Hawthorn back in 2009 on crutches with a busted knee? He’s still going. Now the oldest player in the league.

If anybody will get Scully back and playing close to his best it’s Hawthorn.

O’Meara who according to most footy neutrals will be lucky to play 4 or 5 games this year. He ended up exceeding expectations and played 21 out of 24 games, kicked a career high 16 goals and polled 13 Brownlow votes.
 
Groin guru said:
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Exactly. People forget he is an elite runner. That's his thing. Imagine taking that ability from him. He may come back but not at the level required. A real shame but people need to use logic in this situation. It isn't a steal, it's a roll of the dice. Jesse Smith left North and gave Saints medical team ago and it never panned out. They said Smith's ankle looked like the ankle of a person that had been in a bad car accident. They said the same about Scully. They said the same about trent hentschel's knee.

I feel sorry for Scully because it only signifies it is as bad as I heard it was.


Of course he's going to say that.
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They said the same about Burton's knee too, so there are success stories. They also wrote off Burgoyne and O'Meara.

But having said that we have just lost our main fitness guy to Carlton.
 
Shadow89 said:
We will let him go to Fremantle, who offered us pick 11. He didn't want to go there. Try again.
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And then this works EXACTLY the same way.

Scully has the right to not go to a club he doesn't want to. Kelly has the right to not go to Fremantle.

It doesn't matter if another club offered more. If Scully is being pushed out when he has an existing contract he holds all the Aces...
 

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Groin guru said:
Negligent on Hawthorn's behalf to delist Hartung and recruit Scully. Hartung is basically a better player and has no injury problems. It goes to show Clarko isn't man enough to forgive a player that stood up to him.
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I’ve heard Hartung is tipped to reach great heights at Arden street next year.
 
Groin guru said:
Negligent on Hawthorn's behalf to delist Hartung and recruit Scully. Hartung is basically a better player and has no injury problems. It goes to show Clarko isn't man enough to forgive a player that stood up to him.
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Hartung a better player than Scully? You're having a laugh.

Mate give up, Hartung was delisted by two teams.
 
Judd2Sewell said:
They said the same about Burton's knee too, so there are success stories. They also wrote off Burgoyne and O'Meara.

But having said that we have just lost our main fitness guy to Carlton.
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O'meara was an elite talent. The injury left him a shell of his former self and brought him back to an above average AFL footballer unfortunately. He'll be managed for the rest of his career.

Burton had youth on his side and hadn't clocked up the miles Scully had. The negative impact of being such a high-level runner for most of your life is the wear and tear it has on your body. Scully doesn't have the ability of Mitchell or Hodge to play smart and reinvent themselves. He's got 1-trick and unfortunately there is a remote chance he gets back to his best. I hope he does as he was playing great football in 16/17 and it was finally clicking for him. He copped so much just because he was a #1 pick and had the melbourne pressure on his shoulders too. He deserves some luck. You don't get to be an elite runner without working your arse off so it's not like he's just riding along coasting on talent alone.
 
Enough with the personal attacks, name-calling, baiting, etc.

Turn it down about 10 notches or find yourself with a thread-ban.
 
Mitchell54 said:
He’s been a great stalwart and clubman and 2 time premiership player for us but has struggled for games this year and we were only prepared to offer him a 1 year contract extension whereas he’s getting 2 years at the Dogs.

I like Doc but he isn’t vital and we’d be happy to be able to provide an opportunity for him to progress in his AFL career albeit at another club.
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Also, cant wait to see whathe does with JJ's hair. Haha
 
McOrist said:
Scully has the same ankle injury as Dane Swan. Swannie never played again.
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That is only partly true. He suffered a similar ankle injury, but it was the foot bone damage that did Swan in more than the ankle, and it sounds like Scully doesn't have that aspect of the injury,
e.g
https://outline.com/jfAsRT

I have no doubt Scully's ankle is fairly ****ed right now, but clearly Hawthorn believe its not career ending. They could be wrong - I can't believe we'd get him for a future 4th if there isn't some doubt around it - but happy to take the punt given the pick given (the contract price might be more of an issue, but hopefully some protection clause from our end if he never plays again).
 

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Traded Tom Scully [traded to Hawthorn for a future fourth round pick]

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