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Bartlett averaged more goals and disposals in 1980 than Ablett did in 1989
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That’s true. We will never know whether he had another 7 goals in him will we. If he did, he would still hold the record for most goals in a finals series.
EDIT: Apologies - as per Meteoric's subsequent post, Ron Todd (23) is second behind Ablett (27) for most goals in a single finals series.
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Only 3 players in the history of AFL / VFL have kicked 11 goals in a final. Ron Todd did it twice.
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Preliminary Final Heroes: Ron Todd in 1938 and '39
Only three players in VFL/AFL history have ever kicked 11 goals in a finals match. Collingwood's mercurial Ron Todd did it twice
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Not quite on topic (but given this thread drifts from individual finals to finals series, I'm not so sure...), but clearly related.
AFL finals heroes: Numbers don't lie on Richmond's Kevin Bartlett
Of all the great players to grace the stage in AFL finals over the past 50 years, one man stands clear.www.theage.com.au
The best finals performers as judged by The Age Real Footy experts (in 2016)
1. Kevin Bartlett (Richmond)
2. Andrew McLeod (Adelaide)
3. Luke Hodge (Hawthorn)
4. Jimmy Bartel (Geelong)
5. Gary Ayres (Hawthorn)
6. Darren Jarman (Hawthorn/Adelaide)
7. Gary Ablett Snr (Geelong)
8. Dermott Brereton (Hawthorn)
9. Alex Jesaulenko (Carlton)
10. Leigh Matthews (Hawthorn)
11. Wayne Carey (North Melbourne)
12. Chris Judd (West Coast/Carlton)
13. Ted Hopkins (Carlton)
14. Leon Baker (Essendon)
15. Wayne Schimmelbusch (North Melbourne)
16. Barry Breen (St Kilda)
17. James Hird (Essendon)
18. Leo Barry (Sydney)
19. Michael Voss (Brisbane)
20. Wayne Harmes (Carlton)
Surely this can’t be right, cats supporters and Fadge have been tell me GAS and GAJ are the best at everything
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Only 3 players in the history of AFL / VFL have kicked 11 goals in a final. Ron Todd did it twice.
Preliminary Final Heroes: Ron Todd in 1938 and '39
Only three players in VFL/AFL history have ever kicked 11 goals in a finals match. Collingwood's mercurial Ron Todd did it twice
Who is Ron Todd?
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Classic FTS/Geelong, to them averaging 6.75 in a runner-up team’s higher scoring finals series is actually better than averaging 7 for a Premier in a lower scoring series of finals matches. 6th most successful footballer in his family gets anywhere near match Hungry Thirsty’s 25% of goals scored in his 3 finals games that series, CATS win the flag. But he didn’t, so they didn’t.
Never change Cats fans.
Classic FTS/Geelong, to them averaging 6.75 in a runner-up team’s higher scoring finals series is actually better than averaging 7 for a Premier in a lower scoring series of finals matches. 6th most successful footballer in his family gets anywhere near match Hungry Thirsty’s 25% of goals scored in his 3 finals games that series, CATS win the flag. But he didn’t, so they didn’t.
Never change Cats fans.
Is hungry’s 1980 finals goal AVERAGE the best ever? I honestly don’t know. I.e. has anyone else got 15+ from two finals? Or 8+ from one?
I do know that the highest total goals in a finals series is Ablett’s 27. Incidentally, I was at 3 of those 4 finals - what a time it was!
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Lucky you guys lost to Essendon in the QF so GAS could play an extra game. That’s why average is more impressive than total.
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Yeah, thanks. I know how averages work.
I don’t know if there is a better average than Hungry’s 7 but from vague memory he might have been level on the most every kicked in a finals series before 6th most successful footballer in his family got his 27 in an amount of matches that would do the World Series proud.
Update: Ron Todd 23 in 3 finals in his final year in the VFL as a 22yo in 1939 @ 7.66 average has the highest average across multiple finals. Lockett with 9 in one match in 1991 has the highest average overall.
6 v Melbourne
11 v Saints
6 v Melbourne
The only win was the middle one in the PF. Played his last game in the VFL as a 22yo.
So far found just 7 players who have averaged above 6 goals in a finals series, but it seems to have been done 8 times with Soapy Vallance managing it twice. It is very rare to average more than 6 goals in a finals series.
9 Lockett 1991(1 final)
7.66 Todd 1939, also averaged 6 across 3 finals in 1938.
7.5 McKenna(2 games) 1970
7 Bartlett 1980
7 Soapy Vallance 1931(2 games)
6.75 6th most successful footballer in his family 1992
6.66 Jack Mueller 1948, another legendary player, played for Demons. (Also 18 in 3 finals in 1946)
6.66 Soapy Vallance 1932(3 games)
The human handball free zone Hungry Thirsty Bartlett the only non-Full Forward who seems to be anywhere near the list.
FreddyTwoShoes check the update, these are all the ones I could find.
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Cool, it’s just weird that you are boasting about totals rather than averages.
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Averaged over 6 goals a game in the two seasons he played at full Forward. Walked away from the VFL at 22. Had seasons of 120 as a 21 year old and 121 as a 22 year old. Also kicked 62 as a 20 year old CHF. Colemans best season was 120 and his next best 103, Titus, Vallence and Coventry all rated Todd as a better player than Coleman. Kicked bags of 11 twice in finals and had a finals series of 23 with games of 6,11 and 6.
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Bartlett had an astounding finals series but there was a reason for that. The reason was he was an astounding player. An absolute superstar of our game.
And he didn’t handball.
He completely mugged his opponents that whole finals series. i don’t think you can do something like that just simply because you are a brilliant player, you also probably need a dopey opponent or two in there to help. But he was a brilliant player, I saw a lot of him. Would easily be the most despised player I have seen by opposition supporters when he kicked a goal and ran back towards the centre with two arms aloft. But nobody could ever catch him to tackle him or whack him. I think he was sneakily tough too just quietly.
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Actually handballed to Rob Wiley in the goal square in 1980, could have easily had 8 goals, plus he missed a few sitters tooAnd he didn’t handball.
He completely mugged his opponents that whole finals series. i don’t think you can do something like that just simply because you are a brilliant player, you also probably need a dopey opponent or two in there to help. But he was a brilliant player, I saw a lot of him. Would easily be the most despised player I have seen by opposition supporters when he kicked a goal and ran back towards the centre with two arms aloft. But nobody could ever catch him to tackle him or whack him. I think he was sneakily tough too just quietly.
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Also he won 3 Simpson medals in a row 10 years earlier in the WAFL against Polly Farmers side.
I don’t know if there is a better average than Hungry’s 7 but from vague memory he might have been level on the most every kicked in a finals series before 6th most successful footballer in his family got his 27 in an amount of matches that would do the World Series proud.
Update: Ron Todd 23 in 3 finals in his final year in the VFL as a 22yo in 1939 @ 7.66 average has the highest average across multiple finals. Lockett with 9 in one match in 1991 has the highest average overall.
6 v Melbourne
11 v Saints
6 v Melbourne
The only win was the middle one in the PF. Played his last game in the VFL as a 22yo.
So far found just 7 players who have averaged above 6 goals in a finals series, but it seems to have been done 8 times with Soapy Vallance managing it twice. It is very rare to average more than 6 goals in a finals series.
9 Lockett 1991(1 final)
7.66 Todd 1939, also averaged 6 across 3 finals in 1938.
7.5 McKenna(2 games) 1970
7 Bartlett 1980
7 Soapy Vallance 1931(2 games)
6.75 6th most successful footballer in his family 1992
6.66 Jack Mueller 1948, another legendary player, played for Demons. (Also 18 in 3 finals in 1946)
6.66 Soapy Vallance 1932(3 games)
The human handball free zone Hungry Thirsty Bartlett the only non-Full Forward who seems to be anywhere near the list.
FreddyTwoShoes check the update, these are all the ones I could find.
Thanks Meteoric. So, what I'm seeing is that KB is actually equal 4th on the all-time finals-series goal averages. Don't get me wrong - those are all phenomenal finals series.
For nostalgia's sake, pretty well every kid in my primary school used to commentate themselves as "Bartlett" during lunchtime games. They'd yell out things like "And Bartlett runs toward goal, and he's kicked it" as they played. Seemed normal then, but maybe that's where the first seed of resentment was planted.
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A lot like Yaaabbblet calls around our schools.
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