List Mgmt. Trade and F/A - Part 3

[Jen2310]

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" Patrick Lipinski

1

Patrick Lipinski

Age

26

Ht

190cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

18.0

4star

K

7.8

3star

HB

10.2

5star

M

3.5

4star

T

2.8

4star

CL

1.5

4star

D

18.3

4star

K

7.0

3star

HB

11.3

5star

M

2.5

3star

T

2.7

4star

CL

1.3

4star

D

15.2

4star

K

6.6

3star

HB

8.6

5star

M

2.4

3star

T

2.4

4star

CL

1.2

4star

is a talented midfield/forward who was snapped up with a second-round (pick 28 overall) selection in the 2016 NAB AFL Draft. A former basketballer, the Northern Knights product has clean hands and is composed under pressure. "

A basketballer? Welcome Patty.

 

[well left]

I’d be all for swapping our future 2nd if a tall that we rate slips to the 20’s. I’d prefer to keep our 1st though.


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[Silky23]

Trading our future first?

 

[iGNITER]

I am just happy to have Wright at the helm now. Couldn't handle going into another trade period with Ned behind the wheel.

 

[Countrypie]

I am just happy to have Wright at the helm now. Couldn't handle going into another trade period with Ned behind the wheel.

Where's your sense of danger and daring do?

 

[Maison]

We need to take our medicine and accept a couple of lean years and not repeat things that have cost us like trade/swap future 1sts.

Imagine if history repeated and we finish last next year with No Daicos to save us from burning the place down.

If we really want to get a jump;
Play to our potential and finish bottom 4
Bite the bullet and orchestrate Degoey leaves as a free agent and gets 1st Band compensation and get two top 5 picks. Basically what Essendon did last year
Same with Elliott, Sidebottom and get a couple of seconds. If Aiden Corr, Conca, Dalhaus got their their clubs a 2nd so should our two

Result.
2 X Top 5 picks
3 X 2nd Rounds (2 Via Compensation)

 

[Apex36]

There’s a lot of variables, Apex

what are the talks like in next year’s draft?
Are the ones you speak of better?
Will the 2023/24 drafts be “compromised “ because Vic kids can’t develop any playing regular comp?
Does it take away flexibility in terms of trading in 2022?

I’m ok if they swap any pick for a gun

tough call

You’re right, there are a lot of variables, but in a period where we’re clearly trying to rebuild, and judging by last year, going hard at it, I think it’s a discussion worth having. I’m probably more bullish on our list than most here, there were several games where we should have walked away with the W this year and just couldn’t get over the line, and we did actually beat some quality opponents too.
For me, if we have access to a KPP who we rate inside the top 10 this year, then I’m happy for them to make that trade, because I’m not as convinced as others that we’ll be bottom 3 again next year.

 

[legendstatus]

I think just for the look of trading a 1st round pick out again, isn't what Collingwood would want to do. Also no certainties given the lack of under age footy in the last 2 years - so NO

 

[magpiemaniac44]

If Lipinksi comes to us, it likely means Dylan Stephens does not.

It seems unlikely but if we got Lipinski through the PSD or in a trade with a few late picks going our way as well then is a possibility.

 

[magpiemaniac44]

If Lynch goes, would we pick up a cheap back-up ruck, or is the expectation that Begg or Cameron would just fill that role.

 

[Apex36]

I think just for the look of trading a 1st round pick out again, isn't what Collingwood would want to do. Also no certainties given the lack of under age footy in the last 2 years - so NO

Based on what we know about how Wright and McRae operate, so you think they’d be more concerned with how things look externally, or doing what they believe is in the best interests of rebuilding the team?

Serious question, not being a smartarse.

 

[SchuPie]

You’re right, there are a lot of variables, but in a period where we’re clearly trying to rebuild, and judging by last year, going hard at it, I think it’s a discussion worth having. I’m probably more bullish on our list than most here, there were several games where we should have walked away with the W this year and just couldn’t get over the line, and we did actually beat some quality opponents too.
For me, if we have access to a KPP who we rate inside the top 10 this year, then I’m happy for them to make that trade, because I’m not as convinced as others that we’ll be bottom 3 again next year.

Kind of agree

I think you need to back yourself in
I really want to keep 2022 first rounder but if the club honestly thinks that they can grab a gun KP this year, then fine

As I mentioned in my previous post, I'm worried about using high picks in 2022/23 in terms of player exposed form - a guy taken at pick 1-10 may not have the exposure needed to make the best judgement
in that case, getting a player in that you've been able to assess my be the right option

TBH - I don't know

 

[Scodog10]

Ha ha... very salty of you at the end there.

Rather than speaking to Riccardi, Schlensong, etc... we should put our eggs into a theoretical pick swap getting us a top 25 pick this year.. an 18 year old who then after 3-4 years development... may or may not be a decent player? See McLarty

That would be list mismanagement. Hopefully Wright and co are thinking of both improving our draft hand AND taking a mature KPP

Imagine if they just focused on 18 year olds? No Roughead, no Dunn, no Mihocek, No Cameron... going further back... no Leigh Brown, Wakelin, etc

P.S Wright has been a fine pick up for the bombers. Clearly not worth his initial salary but has offered them a ready made target inside 50 and a ruck option. And it’s not like the bombers have gone backwards this year for playing him

Absolutely no saltiness I genuinely don’t think you have a great sense of how bad we are in that part of the ground and the folly in loading up on speculative types. What’s that saying about insanity?

Of course that pick might be the next McLarty, but the odds are more heavily stacked in favour of it being the next CCJ, Mackay, McStay, Hipwood, Lever, Tarrant, Darling or Georgiades over finding the next Dunn, Roughead or Mihocek from your band of merry cast offs.

 

[unplugged]

The Wrighty of old would trade Cox and a future 4th for Lipinski.

 

[gouki88]

Out of curiosity, how would people feel, if on draft night, we were to trade our future first in order to draft Gibcus or Amiss?

Totally irrelevant tangent, but the fact that a kid called Amiss is a sharpshooting forward makes me chuckle

 

[iGNITER]

Where's your sense of danger and daring do?

Nothing wrong with a bit of dare, but just not keen for us to be the Santa Clause of this trade period.

 

[Countrypie]

Totally irrelevant tangent, but the fact that a kid called Amiss is a sharpshooting forward makes me chuckle

Unfortunately I have vision of Dennis Amiss behaving like a startled rabbit in the face of Jeff Thomson.

 

[Gone Critical]

If its between us and Carlton. Surely we are more attractive. They won't even have a coach for the next 30-40 days.

Hard to say and I wouldn’t attach too much significance to the claims yet.

If terms and money were the same I guess our advantage will be easier to get a best 22 spot and more stable recent history as a club (exclude last 12 months) v Carlton, further into development of list, closer to finals and a group of very highly rated youngsters which provide a great list base.

Could go either way

 

[Countrypie]

Nothing wrong with a bit of dare, but just not keen for us to be the Santa Clause of this trade period.

Once bitten twice shy?

 

[whiskeytown]

The Wrighty of old would trade Cox and a future 4th for Lipinski.

Or a near straight swap for Lynch... should they show interest and he elect to go there

 

[Jen2310]

Hard to say and I wouldn’t attach too much significance to the claims yet.

If terms and money were the same I guess our advantage will be easier to get a best 22 spot and more stable recent history as a club (exclude last 12 months) v Carlton, further into development of list, closer to finals and a group of very highly rated youngsters which provide a great list base.

Could go either way

Yeah. I guess we'll see in the coming weeks when he does nominate.
Depending on the dogs outcome this weekend, might even happen next week.

 

[MooreTreloar]

Is CCJ out of contract? He’d be the one I’d want to walk to the PSD as we wouldn’t have the picks/players to trade with Richmond.

If he is not out of contract disregard this.

 

[sr36]

Trading our future first?

If we think we can get more for it this year than next, you'd do it, but the likelihood of that occurring is really bloody slim, as there's usually a have now tax paid on turning future picks into current picks.

 

[Masked Magician]

Out of curiosity, how would people feel, if on draft night, we were to trade our future first in order to draft Gibcus or Amiss?

Great Q, this is how I would play it.

Once we get Daicos, offer our future first (sell it as if we are projecting toward a bottom 6 finish to other clubs) for a pick where we can land a KPP this year and get a future first back the other way.

EG
- I would start with Freo @ pick 8 (which will slide back to 10) they will have carlton's pick 6 and they believe they will move up the ladder next year. I would try and trade our future 1st and 2nd round pick for their pick 10 and future first.
- I would also try the same with the Saints as they believe they will push up the ladder next year.

I think a few clubs fit into this bracket and I think we have a real chance in cashing in 2 first rounders for the price of 1 that will aid the rebuild.

ROUND ONE
1	North Melbourne
2	GWS Giants (received from Collingwood in 2020)
3	Gold Coast
4	Adelaide
5	Hawthorn
6	Carlton
7	Richmond
8	Fremantle
9	St Kilda
10	West Coast
11	Essendon
12	GWS Giants
13	Sydney
14	Western Bulldogs
15	Brisbane
16	Richmond (received from Geelong in 2020)
17	Port Adelaide
18	Brisbane (received from Melbourne in 2020)

ROUND TWO
19	Gold Coast (part of assistance package in 2019)

 

[Jen2310]

Is CCJ out of contract? He’d be the one I’d want to walk to the PSD as we wouldn’t have the picks/players to trade with Richmond.

If he is not out of contract disregard this.

Yes he is.