Mega Thread Trade and List Management discussion

[texdog]

I think it is possible we get Patton, Docherty/ Crameri(personally i like Docherty), Lamb but we risk going in to the draft with no picks till round four. Would you do that?

 

[doggies ftw]

I think it is possible we get Patton, Docherty/ Crameri(personally i like Docherty), Lamb but we risk going in to the draft with no picks till round four. Would you do that?

Even though those players would really be just like us hitting the draft seeing as they're young as well the problem would be we still have to take 3 draft picks, which would mean round 4, 5 and 6 and we would have to fit those guys on the list as well as all the traded players, meaning we would have to find spots on the list somewhere and would probably be better to try to make them spots by trading a few players for higher picks.

 

[JTCWBFC]

I think it is possible we get Patton, Docherty/ Crameri(personally i like Docherty), Lamb but we risk going in to the draft with no picks till round four. Would you do that?

If the brains trust don't rate this years crop it could be a smart move trading in youngsters from other clubs and then hit the draft and try land a few later spec picks

 

[Mofra]

Even though those players would really be just like us hitting the draft seeing as they're young as well the problem would be we still have to take 3 draft picks, which would mean round 4, 5 and 6 and we would have to fit those guys on the list as well as all the traded players, meaning we would have to find spots on the list somewhere and would probably be better to try to make them spots by trading a few players for higher picks.

Incorrect, you only need to make 3 list changes. Trades in and/or upgraded rookies count.

 

[texdog]

If the brains trust don't rate this years crop it could be a smart move trading in youngsters from other clubs and then hit the draft and try land a few later spec picks

That's what I'm thinking as well. Also the under agers in the TAC cup are looking good so next years draft should be good.

 

[doggies ftw]

Incorrect, you only need to make 3 list changes. Trades in and/or upgraded rookies count.

Ahh thought it had to be 3 draft picks, thats a little different then, but I guess its still good to take a couple of draftees just to keep the age of the list nice and balanced

 

[Trent85]

What do we need to offer to make this happen?

Pick 22 and a fringe player? Wood....?

Wouldn't want to be trading pick 4 or downgrading it. If we could get Scharenberg and Docherty i would be happy. Much prefer Docherty and Sharenberg to Crameri/Patton/White

Personally I think Pick 22 is about right but what we might face is that Carlton might offer their 2nd rounder + Yarran to Brisbane for Docherty. I personally don't think Wood has enough "open market" value so we might try to counter other clubs offers with say Grant...
Also if Docherty nominates us as his no.1 preference it puts us in a very good position to negotiate with the Lions.
So there is still a lot of water to go under the bridge before we can pop champagne just yet...... But I hope we land him

 

[fronkalicious]

Personally I think Pick 22 is about right but what we might face is that Carlton might offer their 2nd rounder + Yarran to Brisbane for Docherty. I personally don't think Wood has enough "open market" value so we might try to counter other clubs offers with say Grant...
Also if Docherty nominates us as his no.1 preference it puts us in a very good position to negotiate with the Lions.
So there is still a lot of water to go under the bridge before we can pop champagne just yet...... But I hope we land him

2nd rounder and yarran for docherty?? I like the kid but that's massive overs. Yarran is underrated big time on here IMO

 

[Trent85]

2nd rounder and yarran for docherty?? I like the kid but that's massive overs. Yarran is underrated big time on here IMO

I was speaking hypothetically I have no idea who Carlton would offer.... Yarran's name just popped into my head... Soz

 

[100action]

IIRC we should hear tomorrow what the AFL's response will be to Melbourne's request for a priority pick. They said it would be announced on Brownlow Day.

Prepare for WWIII if they give them a first rounder (either #1 or straight after their #2 pick).

they wont get a top 5 pick, im concerned about them getting an end of first round though, that is still terrible.

 

[paulveed]

Ok we pretty much agree its a dumb idea to trade Minson for Patton.

But dude, yeah the game is evolving but call me simple but you still need to be able to catch it and kick it.

Below is a list of premiership teams in the last 20 years - is it coincidence that nearly of them have very good key marking forwards? And is it coincidence that the multiple premiership winning teams had more good KPF's? All I am saying it is an exception rather than the rule that teams win finals and especially premierships without very good marking gorillas in the fwd line.

And no I don't want to repeat 08-10 when we nearly did it without one and we all bemoaned our lack of a KPF. I still have shivers over our apparent refusal to trade the pick that netted us Jarrad Grant for Barry Hall a year earlier than we got him...

If we have an opportunity to get one (Patton) and he is fit, and he costs us Pick 4 just do it.

2012 Syd - Reid, Goodes, Pyke, Mumford - possibly dodgy
07, 09, 11 - Geel - Hawkins, Pods, Ottens, Mooney
10 - Coll - Cloke
08 - Hawks - Roughead, Franklin
06 - WC? - Lynch, Hansen and Hunter - dodgy
05 - Syd - Hall
04 - Port - Tredrea
01-03 - Bris - Lynch, Bradshaw, Brown
00 - Ess - Lloyd, Lucas, Hird
96, 99 - Nth - Carey, Longmire
97/98 - Adel ? Modra during year - dodgy
95 - Carl - Kernahan
92, 94 - Eagles - Sumich

Look mate, premiership sides invariably have good players... all over the ground in fact. Equally I could no doubt do similar lists on all these sides to demonstrate that they all had top class mids, or very good defenders, or what ever. Sorry, but so what? That does not prove that forwards, mids or defenders specifically are what made them premiers. That takes good or exceptional players in all 3 areas of the ground if truth be known. It does not prove the necessity of any particular height, weight or type of player is the reason they were premiers, merely that they needed to be a particularly good team with lots of quality players.

There would be little point in all these coaches in clubs, if the players on your list all failed to get any better. Look at the improvement in the last few years of players such as Will., Libba, Roughy etc., etc. Now, would/will they persist with Jones, Campbell, Williams, Cordy, Roberts and company, if they do not see the possibility/belief that they can achieve similar results/outcomes with these guys?

Look I am not against having big guys up forward, in fact given the cattle available to us at present, I would probably go for a combination that, occasionally at least, might include 3 talls. I just don't buy the argument that this is the only route to ultimate success, and that "the other man's grass is always greener". IE, that talls from outside are necessarily going to be better in 3-4 years time than those we have now. Yes Williams may never be a Boyd or a Patton, but unless we are prescient, how do we know what injury, good coaching, pure blind luck or karma, has in store for any of these players we are discussing.

As I have said, I am not anti Boyd, Patton or who ever, merely that I do not believe we should mortgage the farm to get them, or that they are the only route to our salvation.
Not that I am suggesting Crameri is the only individual we should consider, but personally he is closer to the 'type/style' of player I believe would better make our forward half more competitive, because I believe pace and strength, rather than height and strength is the future route to success.
Personal opinion only of course.

 

[LukasTheGreat]

Eddie was pretty certain they won't, when talking on whatever show it was. He pretty much runs footy, doesn't he?

 

[BorisDawg]

As much as I like the idea of getting Patton, I don't want the club to sell the farm to get him in.

I'd be offering pick 4 alone and if GWS want something on top of that, walk away and pick up Scharenberg (or whoever) in the draft.

 

[BIG_BONTS]

Whatever happens - I'm praying all night every night for a great off season for the dogs.

Imagine our R1 team next year with Patton/Crameri/Doherty. Would be confident of a 7-11 finish on the ladder.

 

[Super Hans]

I reckon we will look at Marsh for our second pick, sound like the kind of player the coaches want (e.g versatility).

 

[murphy2bedabest]

Where does this idea that ruckmen are neither as important, nor as influential as players playing other roles ?
To read some of these posts you would think ruckmen are all bar irrelevant, and any hack will do in your team.

Lets not take things out of context here, What i have Said is that Will's stocks are as high as they have been.

So if an opportunity rises for either pick 1 or Patton, given that you have to give big to get big, imo i think minson is the player to make the deal happen.

Also given that many people here think Campbell is going to end up a better ruckman in time, that mixed with the fact that realistically next year we should be around 10-13 and 2015 the lower half of the top 8

it just seems the right time to fast tract campbell and or Cordy's development while landing a big key forward that we can build our forward line around for the next 12 years.

Ill just add, i dont want to see Minson leave at all, and i am happy with and support anything Macca does to improve this team.

 

[the dog's kennel]

Lockett was only like 191cm too, these days they'd both probably be told to play midfield, even in the time since they played, the height profile of players has changed dramatically, don't think you can compare them to now.

That is just incredible. 191cm!!!! Stringer's height! Mundy is taller! God, things have changed since then.

 

[Bazza Bulldog]

If we ended up with 10 and 11 (and didn't get Patton) I'd love to get Lennon and then McCartney even if it might be a little early for McCartney (as long as he hasn't had 12 knee recos too )

I think we need to be careful re: Patton. I actually think a direct swap for pick 4 is about right (or even slightly in their favour). He might have been Pick 1, 2011 draft, but the pre-selected 17 year olds for GWS (Trealor, Bugg, Shiel and CAMERON) were already on the list, hence a compromised draft. Perhaps he was actually only pick 2 or 3 and given his knee ... Pick 4 about right. We shouldn't be sucked in to pay overs (if it's even on the table).

 

[Dav1d]

If we ended up with 10 and 11 (and didn't get Patton) I'd love to get Lennon and then McCartney even if it might be a little early for McCartney (as long as he hasn't had 12 knee recos too )

I hope you mean McCarthy, if we took Clayton McCartney in the first round my heart might explode

I'd be damn happy with Scharenberg though, also versatile and he rebounds as well as defends quite strongly

 

[fronkalicious]

Whatever happens - I'm praying all night every night for a great off season for the dogs.

Imagine our R1 team next year with Patton/Crameri/Doherty. Would be confident of a 7-11 finish on the ladder.

I'd be excited by docherty and Patton too, but I honestly wouldn't expect either of them to translate into more wins next season.

Patton is coming off his knee and who knows how much pre-season he'll do. And even if he is fit and firing, he's still just a kid playing key position in a team that's stIll learning how to move the ball.

Docherty is quite a way off helping us win games. He just needs to spend 24 hours a day with murph while he's still around.

I'd be thrilled to get them, but wouldn't be expecting too much out of either of them in 2014 if we did.

 

[King Harold]

If we were to trade for docherty, what/who would we trade for him?

Also hearing that Howard is attracting interest from Adelaide. Only a rumor though.

 

[King Harold]

Tutt worth a late second rounder at most?

Tutt was a second rounder 4 years ago, and has pretty well proven he is not up to it.
If we can get a second rounder back for him now, Dalrymple will be locked up for highway robbery.

 

[fronkalicious]

I know Mckernan isn't the answer as a key forward, but does anyone think he could play key back for us at all?? I haven't seen enough of him to know.

I do feel we're a little thin at full-back/CHB with only roughie and talia, with Austin as back-up. A big, physical, aggressive key defender would be nice to add, especially as cheap as what Mckernan could be had

 

[Norm De Guerre]

Any chance that we'll have some live picks in the up coming draft?

Given the scenarios thrown up in this thread you wouldn't think so.

 

[More Bulldog]

With Docherty looking a chance to get picked up and being a ready made HB, is it worth offering a contract to Goodes? We'll have Pearce, Docherty, JJ, Murph as well as Wood, Picken and Howard (if he stays) frees up a position on the list.