Mega Thread Trade and List Management discussion

[Cadillac]

With Jamie Elliot's future in doubt. It's hard to see Collingwood let Fasolo leave, how about Ballantyne? Wouldn't cost too much and is a similar type player.

 

[Igloo]

What's the right price in your eyes igloo? If Jong was part of a trade I feel we'd have to give them a pick also. Not sure what rd.

Maybe our 2nd and Jong for Fasolo and their 3rd?

They probably wouldn't do that though. Maybe their 4th if they don't want to give a 3rd.

 

[bobby2]

Read on the Pies board someone saying Fasolo might be on the way out at year end.

I think a huge gap in our list is natural forwards. Sick of us playing so many part time mids up there.

Any interest? Perhaps as part of a trade for Jong?

Good player, but he signed a two year extension at Collingwood just two months ago. I really doubt he'll leave.

 

[Pugz89]

Yeah saw that. Was in the Herald sun.

Dont blame him though, needs to look after his family

600k a year is plenty. Many families survive on 100k a year lmao. Just chill.

 

[Pugz89]

Good player, but he signed a two year extension at Collingwood just two months ago. I really doubt he'll leave.

I suspect they'll have to shift some players they may not necessarily have planned to. They are languishing at the bottom end of the ladder and don't even have a first rounder this year to use currently. Reckon they trade Cloke and possibly one or two others to try and re-generate their list a bit.

 

[Bemoreboyddog]

Reminder Hurley hasn't signed.And AFL Controlled GWS has better players than Stringer they can offer big money too.

They're struggling with their cap at the moment. Would need to be quite a significant fire sale for them to fit Hurley in.

Hurley also has to want to go there.

 

[bobby2]

I suspect they'll have to shift some players they may not necessarily have planned to. They are languishing at the bottom end of the ladder and don't even have a first rounder this year to use currently. Reckon they trade Cloke and possibly one or two others to try and re-generate their list a bit.

This would make sense if they had re-signed him at the start of the year when they were overestimating themselves, but they didn't. They re-signed him after round 9 when they were 4-5 including losses to St. Kilda, Melbourne and Carlton. I'd be surprised if their views on their list have changed substantially since round 9, when they were already struggling.

 

[Dogsman16]

That's why you can't overpay for guys like Stevens and Jong.

Spot on Fronk.

I see us at the point where cutting quite deep into our inside midfield stocks that have been in the system at least 3 years is in my mind the best way to go.

Let's look at our established inside midfielders under the McCartney/beveridge era. Every single one of them have established themselves as good if not great players within 2 - 3 years. High placings in best and fairests, rising star awards, rising star nominations or even Lachie Hunter an explosion in good form (2nd half of 2015). Liberatore Macrae, Wallis, Dahlhaus, Daniel, Bontempelli, Hunter for starters fit this criteria. Dunkley probably achieves this also. Hrovat in my opinion got unlucky with injury and suffered as a result of Daniel, Hunter and McLean becoming best 22 players. Jong hasn't achieved this and neither has Honeychurch. Stevens asking price is currently too much for the role he plays as 7 - 9th best midfielder.

As such I'd be using all of Stevens, Jong, Hrovat and probably Honeychurch also as trade options. Also would allow Dunkley, Webb, Dale, Williams, Lynch to move up the depth chart in those positions.

 

[giblj]

Jesus Christ guys, some opposition flog who has proven themselves to be a troll several times comes on here and invents a rumour about Jake and we proceed to perform our own character assassination of him. Mission accomplished.

 

[The Original Swooper]

Again I see irrelevant supposed needs emanating from trade talks here. Why do we need a small forward ? Dal, Smith, Hrovat, Maclean, Hunter ALL have the attributes to be successful small forwards and part time mids. Plus Jake can match it with any small when ball hits the deck. We really have more pressing matters than acquiring another small.

 

[compact72]

600k a year is plenty. Many families survive on 100k a year lmao. Just chill.

Be plenty for me and my family lol.

Just saying if he got offered 1mil vs 600k which would a family man pick?

 

[compact72]

Jesus Christ guys, some opposition flog who has proven themselves to be a troll several times comes on here and invents a rumour about Jake and we proceed to perform our own character assassination of him. Mission accomplished.

Not at all? Just a tall about stringer nothing wrong with that. We know it's all bs

 

[MJ_Dogs]

Be plenty for me and my family lol.

Just saying if he got offered 1mil vs 600k which would a family man pick?

Might need a little more context....answer seems too obvious

I agree that if the argument is to provide for his family, 600-700k is PLENTY enough. But each to their own.

 

[compact72]

Might need a little more context....answer seems too obvious

I agree that if the argument is to provide for his family, 600-700k is PLENTY enough. But each to their own.

I would rather pick 600-700k to stay with dogs but each to their own

 

[fronkalicious]

Again I see irrelevant supposed needs emanating from trade talks here. Why do we need a small forward ? Dal, Smith, Hrovat, Maclean, Hunter ALL have the attributes to be successful small forwards and part time mids. Plus Jake can match it with any small when ball hits the deck. We really have more pressing matters than acquiring another small.

Dal - plays midfield
Smith - not quick/skilled enough to be a lethal small forward
Hrovat - midfielder, not a forward
McLean - great in the air, but not dangerous on the deck
Hunter - plays midfield.

We don't have a genuine crumber. Guys like betts, cameron, Cyril, poppy, Walters, ballantyne, breust, Thomas, wingard, Garlett etc are hard to get, and we need to try and find one imo.

 

[Dogsman16]

Dal - plays midfield
Smith - not quick/skilled enough to be a lethal small forward
Hrovat - midfielder, not a forward
McLean - great in the air, but not dangerous on the deck
Hunter - plays midfield.

We don't have a genuine crumber. Guys like betts, cameron, Cyril, poppy, Walters, ballantyne, breust, Thomas, wingard, Garlett etc are hard to get, and we need to try and find one imo.

100 percent. We lack firepower and too often we have rotating mids in the dangerous spots.

We need a genuine 40 goal a season crumber absolutely no doubt about that.

 

[giblj]

Not at all? Just a tall about stringer nothing wrong with that. We know it's all bs

No offence compact and it wasn't just you but you were doing the troll's job for him back there, bet he's having a good old chuckle now.

 

[compact72]

No offence compact and it wasn't just you but you were doing the troll's job for him back there, bet he's having a good old chuckle now.

I laughed than moved onto talking about stringer. Had nothing to do with that flog lol. What a shit rumour

 

[The Original Swooper]

Dal - plays midfield
Smith - not quick/skilled enough to be a lethal small forward
Hrovat - midfielder, not a forward
McLean - great in the air, but not dangerous on the deck
Hunter - plays midfield.

We don't have a genuine crumber. Guys like betts, cameron, Cyril, poppy, Walters, ballantyne, breust, Thomas, wingard, Garlett etc are hard to get, and we need to try and find one imo.

Points taken. But where are Dal, Hunter, Smith, Maclean, Hrovat playing when Bont, Stringer, Wallis, Libber, Stevens, Jong et al are in the middle ? You don't think just like one dimensional ruckmen that the permanent small forward is a thing of the past ?

 

[bobby2]

Dal - plays midfield
Smith - not quick/skilled enough to be a lethal small forward
Hrovat - midfielder, not a forward
McLean - great in the air, but not dangerous on the deck
Hunter - plays midfield.

We don't have a genuine crumber. Guys like betts, cameron, Cyril, poppy, Walters, ballantyne, breust, Thomas, wingard, Garlett etc are hard to get, and we need to try and find one imo.

Agree that we don't have much in this area and an elite small forward would be great, but Smith can play the role quite well. He may not look like your traditional small forward, but I couldn't care less whether our small forward kicks the goal by reading the crumb best and getting there first or by knocking everyone else over when he gets there. He has a good nose for goal, he's great on the ground, he competes well in the air and he pressures like a madman. The fact that he's more versatile than most of those other blokes is a bonus. He's not quite elite yet like Betts, Cyril, Wingard, Poppy and Breust, but I'd take him well ahead of someone like Garlett or Thomas.

 

[fronkalicious]

Points taken. But where are Dal, Hunter, Smith, Maclean, Hrovat playing when Bont, Stringer, Wallis, Libber, Stevens, Jong et al are in the middle ? You don't think just like one dimensional ruckmen that the permanent small forward is a thing of the past ?

I dont. We have too many resting mids inside 50m at the moment and we need a dangerous goal-kicking small.

They can rest on the bench!

 

[The Original Swooper]

I dont. We have too many resting mids inside 50m at the moment and we need a dangerous goal-kicking small.

They can rest on the bench!

It better be a bloody big bench.

 

[Roscoe_au]

It better be a bloody big bench.

Unless Daniel and Dahlhaus are resting there, in which case we'd need some little stools...lol

 

[immortalmike]

It better be a bloody big bench.

Not really most of those guys are pretty small.

 

[The Original Swooper]

Agree that we don't have much in this area and an elite small forward would be great, but Smith can play the role quite well. He may not look like your traditional small forward, but I couldn't care less whether our small forward kicks the goal by reading the crumb best and getting there first or by knocking everyone else over when he gets there. He has a good nose for goal, he's great on the ground, he competes well in the air and he pressures like a madman. The fact that he's more versatile than most of those other blokes is a bonus. He's not quite elite yet like Betts, Cyril, Wingard, Poppy and Breust, but I'd take him well ahead of someone like Garlett or Thomas.

This. Historically the small forward has often been the whipping boy of teams. Lauded for a 5 goal haul one week, chastised for not getting a touch the next. Clay, Hunter and Dal are showing consistency not too many small forwards do. Even Cyril (the best of the best goalsneaks) is prone to cameos more often than 4 quarters of sustained contributions.