Mega Thread Trade and List Management discussion

[Gmod23]

Bringing in fundamentally flawed players is a one way ticket to heart ache.

If we trade for butcher there can be no complaining about his kicking. We know full well what we're buying.

I suspect we might get him for a pick downgrade to clear salary cap space at Port....
Same with Reid, I don't see a market for his services. At his salary rate, who would take him AND give up a draft pick. If he renegotiated his agreement, then perhaps he is worth giving up a pick.
I mean us giving power say pick 70 something and them giving us pick 60 something... neither pick gets used in the draft.

 

[Flash86]

I can't recall watching Butcher, but sounds like there is something to work with there. Maybe a change of club could help freshen him up.

Even if Butcher doesn't get many games for Western bulldogs next year for us, but plays consistent footy for Footscray that be good. Aslong as we retain Jones.
If Butcher was playing pretty good footy for us in the VFL, it would keep Jones on his toes and play better footy in fear of getting dropped.
If Jones is upset he isn't getting games, he could have a point. Who is he getting beaten by for a spot in the team cause we really ain't playing any genuine FF or CHF. Using stringer and Crameri who as has been done to death are your half forwards.
I also backing that if we re-sign Jones, there would be talk about him getting regular games, unless someone else pushes him back to the reserves cause his form hasn't been warranted and someone for Footscray is deserving of a spot.
Wouldn't take much to get Butcher. One of those things where you buy low.
Ideally obviously Butcher finds his feet again, and plays FF with jones at CHF and they start playing really well. With Roughy as the resting ruck/forward, and Roberts and Talia taking there VFL form as key backs into solid key backs in the AFL side to allow Roughy to be the resting ruck in the forward line.

Roughy has really good mobility and can take a mark. This is all based on Jones re-signing and playing his best footy consistently and Butcher doing a Schultz by becoming what everyone though he would be, but needing to be traded. The forward line to look something like:

CHF Stringer, Jones, Crameri
FF Dahl, Butcher, Roughead

Then you have Hrovat, Stevens, Griff, Smith all rotating through there.
I think Butcher is a better prospect that Casboult to be honest and will come a lot cheaper. Not sure he is the answer.
Won't cost more than a 3rd rounder. So if we could pick up Wright, Cordy, Butcher, Foster and re-sign our players, we be in good stead for KPP depth. Hoping that they come on.

 

[VitalDread]

Butcher kicked 32.24 this year in the sanfl

 

[Dav1d]

Butcher kicked 32.24 this year in the sanfl

What about Mason Shaw?

 

[Norm De Guerre]

With this talk of Butcher, this thread come to mind. Although the word mediocre may be a little kind when it comes to Butcher. I wonder if those advocating his recruitment are being seduced by the one remotely outstanding game that he has had, which conveniently -though not surprisingly- just happened to be against us.

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threa...cre-kp-player-to-the-bulldogs-thread.1076103/

 

[Flash86]

Butcher kicked 32.24 this year in the sanfl

That's pretty poor kicking.
A lot of shots at goals though. Those stats are like Cloke, yet cloke gets about 50 goals and 50 behinds.
I still think he is worth a spot on our list.
We have no key position depth at all. He was dubbed the saviour of port. And was rated the best forward coming out of the draft when he was drafted.
Thanks haven't got the way they should of, however he still is worth a shot.
We are most likely delisting:
Howard, Goodes, Austin, Greenwood, Redpath (due to the fact that he can't be re-rookied, and not sure he will get a senior spot)
Plus already lost Williams and Gia.
Austin, Greenwood and Repath are rookies
That's 7 players gone. (3 rookies)
Higgins likely gone (5 seniors, 3 rookies)
Jong taken a senior list spot. 3 left
Then example draft of Wright, Cordy and Foster.
Add in Butcher.
Still a senior spot left after that plus 4 rookie spots

 

[Dav1d]

OR

 

[Flash86]

I would choose Butcher over the other 3 rookies being upgraded.
Austin, Greenwood and Goodes.

 

[TedDougChris]

I would choose Butcher over the other 3 rookies being upgraded.
Austin, Greenwood and Goodes.

Think Goodes was upgraded at the end of last year, is on the main list. Rookies this year were Jong, Austin, Greenwood and Redpath.

 

[Flash86]

Think Goodes was upgraded at the end of last year, is on the main list. Rookies this year were Jong, Austin, Greenwood and Redpath.

That's right he was too.
So Goodes will be delisted most likely and Austin, Greenwood and Redpath most likely delisted.
I like Redpath, but I don't think he has earned a spot to be upgraded on a senior list.
Maybe we let him go.
Then hoping he slips to the rookie draft and do it that way. As we know we can't give him another rookie contract. But drafting him a rookie that way should work you would think.

 

[who_let_the_dogs_out]

Where has all the Butcher talk come from? Has it been confirmed we are into him??

 

[Dav1d]

Where has all the Butcher talk come from? Has it been confirmed we are into him??

Not certain its come from anywhere
Its just he is a Key Forward

fronkalicious how do you like/rate Sam Frost? last I heard, Melbourne were really into him

 

[doggies ftw]

"However Sydney insiders believe that with the departures of Nick Malceski and Ryan O’Keefe ‘and one more’ the Swans may be able to heavily back-end Ryder’s contract"

I reckon we will land Sam Reid this year. Hope we do,

 

[Roscoe_au]

I suspect our friend Roscoe , hasn't seen much footy this year !

No, I don't believe Wood should get cut. In fact, was pleased to see him play out most of the year given his previous hammy issues.

There have been a heap of posts suggesting he was gone and I was simply suggesting someone who might be available to be that really good running HBF in his place.

 

[MJ_Dogs]

"However Sydney insiders believe that with the departures of Nick Malceski and Ryan O’Keefe ‘and one more’ the Swans may be able to heavily back-end Ryder’s contract"

I reckon we will land Sam Reid this year. Hope we do,

i hope we do too but so long as it doesn't involve pick 5!

 

[TedDougChris]

That's right he was too.
So Goodes will be delisted most likely and Austin, Greenwood and Redpath most likely delisted.
I like Redpath, but I don't think he has earned a spot to be upgraded on a senior list.
Maybe we let him go.
Then hoping he slips to the rookie draft and do it that way. As we know we can't give him another rookie contract. But drafting him a rookie that way should work you would think.

I'd keep Redpath and put him on a one year, optional 2nd year deal. He and Jones are the only 2 KPF's on our list. Now while they both may have limitations, they have bigger bodies and more experience than any 18 year old kid we're likely to pick up. Given Redpath's development this year, he may be a useful foil at some stage next year.

I'd delist: Greenwood, Austin, Goodes, Howard, Fuller, Gia, Williams and Boyd (I know, the last one isn't happening). Expect Higgins to leave and try to trade Grant. Upgrade Jong and Redpath. 6 main list opportunities, 4 rookie list opportunities. The list needs a cleanout and needs it now.

 

[Pannalstaroz]

What's the timeline with upgrading rookies v the draft. Can we see how the draft pans out before we decide what we do with the rookies?

 

[doggies ftw]

i hope we do too but so long as it doesn't involve pick 5!

Agree with this, well unless were getting something pretty good back with Reid but I would just try to work a deal for Reid without pick 5. Still think Sydney would be interested in Minson, especially if they fall short this year. Minno + our 2nd is probably about right for Reid IMO. Then take pick 5 to the draft and hope like hell a McCartin or Wright is there but even if not worst case scenario would be Lever or Durdin and we'd really be fixing up our kpp stocks in that situation.

McCartin to play FF and Reid CHF would be ideal. If Jones stays Reid isn't that huge a priority for me though, but still I'd probably like him but yeah as long as we kept pick 5.

 

[fronkalicious]

"However Sydney insiders believe that with the departures of Nick Malceski and Ryan O’Keefe ‘and one more’ the Swans may be able to heavily back-end Ryder’s contract"

I reckon we will land Sam Reid this year. Hope we do,

Do you think we could get Reid without including pick 5 doggies?

 

[Leezorr]

Do you think we could get Reid without including pick 5 doggies?

I would burn the place down if we gave up pick 5 for any deal including Reid, the guy is a very average player.

 

[doggies ftw]

Do you think we could get Reid without including pick 5 doggies?

I hope so not so sure though I'd be very surprised if we pulled it off but I think thats what we have to be pushing for IMO. Only player I could see Sydney genuinely interested in that we would be willing to give up would be Minno, and obviously thats unlikely.

I like Reid and think he would offer a hell of a lot to our current team, but if were spending pick 5 on him I wan't quite a bit back. I'd be okay with the idea of downgrading our first to two top 15 or so picks and sending one to Reid and hitting the draft with the other and taking someone like Weller, that would be ideal.

If we keep pick 5 and land Reid without giving up any of our core young players, the list is tracking fantastically for mine. If it takes pick 5 to get Reid I'd prefer to be looking at Jaksch.

 

[Norm De Guerre]

Where has all the Butcher talk come from? Has it been confirmed we are into him??

It comes from a longing for a KPF...any KPF, that lurks deep within the psyche of all Bulldog supporters.

The Whitten Oval really needs to get a very big, very comfortable couch for us, until that time BigFooty will have to suffice.

 

[Mutt]

I hope so not so sure though I'd be very surprised if we pulled it off but I think thats what we have to be pushing for IMO. Only player I could see Sydney genuinely interested in that we would be willing to give up would be Minno, and obviously thats unlikely.

I like Reid and think he would offer a hell of a lot to our current team, but if were spending pick 5 on him I wan't quite a bit back. I'd be okay with the idea of downgrading our first to two top 15 or so picks and sending one to Reid and hitting the draft with the other.

If we keep pick 5 and land Reid without giving up any of our core young players, the list is tracking fantastically for mine. If it takes pick 5 to get Reid I'd prefer to be looking at Jaksch.

I'm pretty sure we can forget about Jaksch Doggies.

If we go for Reid, my money would be on our second rounder and a player, or the Higgins comp pick if Shaun goes. Everything we hear from Macca indicates he would like to draft as many of our future players as possible and only trade or use free agency to top the list up. Given our recent record with first round draftees, why wouldn't we continue to back ourselves in the draft?

If Reid could hold down CHB and be a good swingman for the next 6 to 8 years then he would be worth pick 5 or 6 in this draft, however we'd be mad not to try to land him without using our first rounder. That would be a huge win.

 

[Flash86]

I'd keep Redpath and put him on a one year, optional 2nd year deal. He and Jones are the only 2 KPF's on our list. Now while they both may have limitations, they have bigger bodies and more experience than any 18 year old kid we're likely to pick up. Given Redpath's development this year, he may be a useful foil at some stage next year.

I'd delist: Greenwood, Austin, Goodes, Howard, Fuller, Gia, Williams and Boyd (I know, the last one isn't happening). Expect Higgins to leave and try to trade Grant. Upgrade Jong and Redpath. 6 main list opportunities, 4 rookie list opportunities. The list needs a cleanout and needs it now.

I wouldn't be opposed upgrading Redpath to the senior list.
Also agree with the adding of Fuller to the list of delistings that will happen. Redpath deserves the spot over Fuller. Don't players who get drafted though automatically get a 2 year contract? so he still has next year to go?
I also agree the list needs a total clean out and with the cash we have, and since we most likely won't be this low on the ladder for a while as we should start to go higher up the ladder with our developing players, its time to clean dead weight now. Why ladder prediction matters is pick 5, pick 23, pick 41 has more chance of landing elite talent than say pick 11, 29 and 47. That's if we finish 8th next year. Not to mention we have a good 2 Father son picks in KPP to take.
So we should be able to get some really good kids in this draft, and hopefully get a good trade.
So now is a good as time as ever to get rid of dead wood.
Next couple of years will see the retirement of Morris, Murphy, Boyd and isn't inconceivable that Cooney might not be able to play footy passed 30 years old due to his knee so he could retire. so we are looking at 2 players to retire each year. only need to draft 3 players including rookie promotions.
Clean out now, add good young talent, and then next few years we just top up and hit hard in the finals campaign.

I don't think we need much more building now either. There is no reason we can't play finals next year. Our rebuild is near complete. Add the KPP at each end of ground and we are ready. Needs to be addressed this draft and I have faith it will be.

GO DOGS!!!!

 

[Cudi]

Rumour on another thread that we have shown some interest in potential winner of "The Recruit" Johann Wagner and that the interest is mutual. He is a 190cm/90kgs marking forward who his kick of the mark and a nice kick. I just can't see where he would fit in with guys like Crameri, Stringer and Dickson so would be surprised if we end up with him. But he will be a cat B rookie so it is pretty much a free hit if he does choose us.

The one player from the show I'd be interested in is Reece Maxwell. Ex-Basketballer who is a really creative type player and would fit in under Macca as he seems very coachable and a quick learner.