Strategy Trade and List .Management thread 5 (...the post coitus cigarette. Edition)

[yebiga]

I agree, but Crameri does make us slower, however, good lead up forward!

Sorry
Crameri maybe only slower then JJ

 

[Dannnnnnnnnn]

We have to keep Crameri now somehow

I'm not sure of the ins and outs of it all but he must be retained on the list for at least one more year. I think Dickson is finished.

Would need to pay someone out to manage it. Or promise him we'll pick him at pick 82 in the draft if still available and not to sign anywhere as a DFA.

 

[threenewpadlocks]

We've brought Crozier and Trengrove in, which fill two needs - a KPD, and an "outside utility" to balance the inside talent we already have.

I feel like there isn't going to be any middle ground with Stringer. We've mitigated our risk with him. Either he'll pull his finger out and dominate, or he'll continue his ways and Essendon will be ruing the fact they've guaranteed him for three years and gave up two solid picks for him.

The thing is, there's two extremes for Stringer, and we'll either be made to look out as geniuses in time, or look like idiots. But that's a dumb way to think about it. If we believed that there was only, say, a 40% chance of Stringer pulling his finger out with the information we have now at the time, and we have no reasons to doubt that, it doesn't magically make it a bad trade if Stringer kick 120 goals over the next 3 years for Essendon - because that had a 40% chance of happening anyway acting on our assessment at the current time.

 

[Bulldogs Legend]

Not yet. 69 posts to go to crack the 10,000. We need your help.

I think I have a few more useless posts in me!

 

[Mattdougie]

Would need to pay someone out to manage it. Or promise him we'll pick him at pick 82 in the draft if still available and not to sign anywhere as a DFA.

Then that sh!ts me no end

We have useless friggin spuds like Jong and Campbell on the list and we now need a forward we can't keep

Jesus this club sh!ts me to tears weak as p!ss

 

[CaptainMurphy]

Dons were pretty keen on Schache apparently. That makes me feel good

I don't know, that seemed pretty clearly to me to be a ploy to get us to fold on the Stringer deal. "If you don't take these picks we'll go after Schache with them" or something like that.

 

[Dogs Rule]

Picks 9 and 16 are still ours, so two top liners in the door as well (hopefully speedy mids).

 

[BatteredBulldog]

Been watching Schache for some time and just now saw the highlights video the club has released.
Now Mick McGuane (amongst others) came out and said in the past week "Schache doesn't like the contest".

All I can say is I don't believe these guys know what the F they are talking about. Hit the contest ok for a big bloke if you ask me (not forgetting he was 19 when the highlights vid was captured).

Definitely didn't want to go to Brisbane in his draft year, hated it up there, but is a real talent. Can take a mark, beautiful kick, moves ok and showed in the video an understanding of game sense. Plenty to work with and I'm confident under Bevo and the development we can put into him that he could become another Joe Daniher.

Yes, probably not professional enough in his last year in Brisbane when he just couldn't stand being there (although it drastically reduced his trade value), but so much less baggage than Jake (and we saw how that reduced his trade value).

 

[Mattdougie]

I agree, but Crameri does make us slower, however, good lead up forward!

Crameri isn't slow mate

 

[Blizzard2]

Taking bets on how many rounds it takes us to completely destroy Schaches elite set shot accuracy

1 just 1

 

[ExRoyboy]

Wow. My life is complete finally a forward line worth watching!

They would want to add a bit of pace and pressure to that fwd line and get a decent goal kicking coach for my liking. Boyd and Schache are both lumbering forwards as opposed to fast reacting leading forwards. I hope that they both work out but they both still have a long way to go. The fruits of this labour may not be apparent still for another 3-4 years, but both are still very young and key position players always take longer to mature so you cannot judge them in their first 3-4 years. It usually takes 5-8 years for them to develop, a lot like ruckman.

 

[Dogs Rule]

Been watching Schache for some time and just now saw the highlights video the club has released.
Now Mick McGuane (amongst others) came out and said in the past week "Schache doesn't like the contest".

All I can say is I don't believe these guys know what the F they are talking about. Hit the contest ok for a big bloke if you ask me (not forgetting he was 19 when the highlights vid was captured).

Definitely didn't want to go to Brisbane in his draft year, hated it up there, but is a real talent. Can take a mark, beautiful kick, moves ok and showed in the video an understanding of game sense. Plenty to work with and I'm confident under Bevo and the development we can put into him that he could become another Joe Daniher.

Yes, probably not professional enough in his last year in Brisbane when he just couldn't stand being there (although it drastically reduced his trade value), but so much less baggage than Jake (and we saw how that reduced his trade value).

Thanks Micky McGuane, thanks for driving his price down.

Best thing you've done since your memorable stint in the Channel 7 commentary box in the late 90s.

 

[Mr. Walker]

But the net result is all that counts. Surely you can see that?

The assets from Essendon were instrumental in getting both the pick 16 and Schache deals done. It's why some on here were asking those who were losing their heads to just chill and wait until 2:00pm Thursday. You can't judge a trade period for years probably, but you certainly can't judge it before it's even finished.

I hope you are correct, but calling Schache "a result" in October 2017 is not much different from calling our trade period a bust prior to 2 pm. I hope he is a key player in our forward line for the next 10 years but we will have to wait the net result.

 

[fronkalicious]

Excuse my ignorance, but is the theory now that West won't get nominated before our first rounder so we'll just be able to use later picks to get enough points together for him?

That kinda explains the willingness to move our 2018 second.

Also means we'll need to open a decent number of list spots next off season (given you can only use as many picks as you've got list spots). So maybe a delisted free agent or 2 next year post draft as well.

 

[Tommycash]

I doubt it is possible but I would like Crameri at least as a rookie.

I seemed to remember there was talk the rookie list was going to become optional but these are the rules for next year:

"The rookie list minimum wage will now increase to $71,500 per year, and Category-A listed rookie players (those taken in the rookie draft) will be eligible to play senior football in 2018 without needing to wait for an elevation to the senior list.

Clubs will still be required to list 4-6 Category A rookies, to make a total of 44 combined with the required 38-40 senior listed players.

They will also be allowed to list as many as three Category B rookies (rookies signed internationally, from another sport, or through other unique circumstances), but are not required to have any if they do not wish to."
We only had the four this year so sadly Honey and Crameri have to go. Not ideal for a club that wants to challenge to get rid of two players who are in the top 30 at the club but we have brought some talent in and will get two good prospects with our picks. Makes sense to elevate R.Smith.

 

[CaptainMurphy]

If anybody is still concerned about us trading away our 2nd next year, I'd just remind people that we have 19 players coming out of contract next year. Four of these will be RFAs: Libba, Dahl, Rough and Wallis. Two others: Wood and Picken come out of contract a year or two later but are essentially 10 year players. I certainly don't want to sound a doom-sayer but if any of these have poor seasons next year, trading scenarios will certainly open up.

Not really much of a silver lining

 

[Bulldogs Legend]

Just can’t help but feel sad about the Stringer situation. Not sure any of us will ever know how bad it really was.

He was a fan favourite, gave us a bit of hope when times were tough.

Pretty confident he will find his feet like Martin and Stevie J did.

Pretty rare you trade away a 23 year old AA so cheaply. Can’t see us ever giving the full story, we have to hope Schache kicks on to make up for it

Perhaps he will mature and get better, but I was losing my faith in him this year and I am usually fairly optimistic.
I have a sneaking suspicion that the game itself has changed and those changes wont assist Jakes overall game. Forward line pressure is King these days and that means when you dont have the ball not just when it suits you.

 

[Deadly Darcy]

I don't know, that seemed pretty clearly to me to be a ploy to get us to fold on the Stringer deal. "If you don't take these picks we'll go after Schache with them" or something like that.

I don't know mate - all I can go on is the convo I had. The person isn't in list management but would be in a position to know and we've had a relationship for years. Totally on the money through the drugs saga every time. They were shocked by the Weller trade - absolute banditry - Freo just killed GC in that one. Believed they had a genuine appetite for Schache. Clearly stringer was a bigger hardon for them though.

 

[SCRAY72]

Just reading some of the annual who won the draft analysis.
I think we did ok with the hand we were dealt.
199cm FF, 197cm FB and 185cm utility and pick 16.
We did alright. IMO.

 

[grassman75]

Yeah coz apparently Jake was throwing it around like chips at the casino.

Apparently he was doing that too

 

[ExRoyboy]

How do you know it was unnecessary?

Correct, it may have been necessary to get pick 40 added into this years deal which may have swayed the Schache deal. Who knows for sure, maybe Carlton wouldn't have done the deal without it. You could look at it as Stringer for 16 and Schache for this years and next years second rounders. Not bad when you think of it like that. We might think Stringer is worth more than 16 but based on his last two years he may not be and Schache may not be worth two second rounders but he was originally a number 2 pick who is a key forward and they take longer than normal to develop. You can't look at all players the same in terms of development. The big guys generally take longer. Overall I think we made the best of a pretty bad situation in regards to Stringer.

 

[Libba39]

If anybody is still concerned about us trading away our 2nd next year, I'd just remind people that we have 19 players coming out of contract next year. Four of these will be RFAs: Libba, Dahl, Rough and Wallis. Two others: Wood and Picken come out of contract a year or two later but are essentially 10 year players. I certainly don't want to sound a doom-sayer but if any of these have poor seasons next year, trading scenarios will certainly open up.

Also this is about the 5th time in the last 10 years that the next draft will be a 'superdraft'. Bont wasn't even on the radar until late in his year. It's an absolute lottery...

 

[Unorth]

Zaine's going to circle our game(s) against Essendon next season so he knows when to get those knees and elbows ready.

 

[Bulldogs Legend]

Shit, I have to leave work now so I will probably miss the 1000th post.

Whoever post it please make sure its really bad or alternatively just some shit about Dodo and the bombers will do!

 

[VitalDread]

I really like how Scott Lucas handles the media and his clients