Strategy Trade and List .Management thread 5 (...the post coitus cigarette. Edition)

[go you pups]

****en Tigers just did 20 and 25 for 15 and 51! Isn't that pretty much the deal they rejected from us??

The Brisbane deal was much better

Pick 20 instead of 30

 

[grassman75]

So...Bont for the Brownlow, Stringer for the Coleman double next year?

 

[Woofing]

Campbell refusing to be traded likely costs Crameri his spot.

If we dont want btc can we pay him out and delist ??
Not sure how it works

 

[Blizzard2]

After all the hysterics and people going cray cray has everyone settled down and realised it is not all that bad. The sky hasn't fallen in and we still did just win a premiership not that long ago.

Life is sweet

 

[ringa5]

Npw we jave another forward.Wonder if Cloke could be reemplyed as a coach for Boyd and Schace allowing us to keep Crameri.

 

[Leon]

View attachment 430163Meanwhile at Norf!

Those roads aren't dilapidated enough to be leading to norf

 

[Blizzard2]

Npw we jave another forward.Wonder if Cloke could be reemplyed as a coach for Boyd and Schace allowing us to keep Crameri.

They are still trying to convince Cloke to retire .. May just happen

 

[Bazza28]

We are talking from afar - but an undamaged Stringer was at least worth the Beams price (5,20ish, Crisp) which was a negotiation with one nominated club with no other suitors. A Top ten or 11 pick was the discounted price.

Our management of this process has been highly questionable:

1 - Media management - fail. This starts with Barrett. We may get satisfaction that Bev physically confronted Bev but we unneceesarily made an enemy for life of one of the most infuential journos. Also failed to predict and counteract media bias

2 - failed to market Stringer discreetly and effectively to gauge and build multi club interest

3 - failed to foresee and defuse the Abby bomb. Given Abby's love of public sharing and Stringer's alleged treatment of her - the PR disaster was completely predictable and preventable.

4 - failed to communicate effectively with Jake to the extent he was blindsided and became bitter. (Even if he is dumb as dogshit we still needed to get our message across to him effectively)

5 - failed to manage the player manager effectively to the extent that he went rogue.

6 - bluffed on takin Stringer back. Laughable failure.

Really ordinary performance

Don't understand what the club could have done about the Abby article? The cheating and gambling was a well know problem anyway.

 

[Deadly Darcy]

Interviews after the trade asked Dodo if they were linked to Schache and he shook his head with an emphatic, "Nah". I'd say they were probably spoken to by Brisbane regarding pcik 25, would they honer the trade with he dogs so Brisbane would get that pcik. Media took it as Bombers offering Lions 25 for Schache.

I just met with Essendon footy club and gave them shit about the stringer deal (and copped some back) and I'm assured they were indeed very very keen on Schache. Wanted O'Meara in his year as well.

...they also all think Dodo is a bigheaded flog internally but f'ing good as his job and are concerned he'll be even more bigheaded after this trade period. They took photos with stringer at the club on sat or sun (can't remember which) they were that confindent they would get him!



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[Blizzard2]

Those roads aren't dilapidated enough to be leading to norf

Having lived in Norf where are the cars with smashed in windows and the junkies shooting up?

 

[Leon]

Having lived in Norf where are the cars with smashed in windows and the junkies shooting up?

Or their pissant supporters having a cry about how unfair their lives are.

 

[LoveDamoBarrett]

Is it 5pm yet? Can't wait to go home and watch some Schache highlights

 

[gangsta deluxe]

It’s never done until it’s done but I expect them to sort it out. He doesn’t want to go back to Brisbane, forget anything you hear in the media.

Always listen to you over the media 100%!

 

[Blizzard2]

Or their pissant supporters having a cry about how unfair their lives are.

Norf don't have supporters at least none that admit it

 

[Bulldogs Legend]

Now we HAVE to draft speed this year. SPEED and SKILLS.

I am ready!

Not sure i will train harder than jake but put a slab in front of me and I am Usain Bolt!

 

[Blizzard2]

I am ready!

Not sure i will train harder than jake but put a slab in front of me and I am Usain Bolt!

Does eating a bucket of KFC in record time with the skill to leave no chicken on the bone count because then I am your man

 

[TempleKelvington]

Better than when we lost you to the Dees Kel!

Lol, I was just youngster but it gutted me.


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[DognBones]

If anybody is still concerned about us trading away our 2nd next year, I'd just remind people that we have 19 players coming out of contract next year. Four of these will be RFAs: Libba, Dahl, Rough and Wallis. Two others: Wood and Picken come out of contract a year or two later but are essentially 10 year players. I certainly don't want to sound a doom-sayer but if any of these have poor seasons next year, trading scenarios will certainly open up.

 

[doggies ftw]

Personally haven't seen a lot of him. But I've seen enough of JMacs talent identification to make me wonder.

Again this is too simplistic imo. Surely Jmac is not the only, single person involved in talent identification. Surely we have a whole team for that sort or thing, it's pretty damn important. Surely Dal had a massive input on Schache, he was in the draft only what, 2 years ago?

And tbf Jmacs talent identification isn't that bad, just his ability to get the trades done on our terms sucks ass, to put it nicely. I'm not his biggest fan by Any means, but I think he was never given a chance with the Stringer situation.

The carlton trade overall was crap but like Mutt pointed out before it's a different story in the room. Time was running out, Carlton knew we had to deal, everybody knew we had to deal we were pretty much just open to cop it from all angles, and I don't think that's neccessarily his fault by Any means.

Personally I'd be looking to move Jmac into an AFL level scout type role (picks like Biggs and Hamling were fantastic pick ups literally no one else in the league saw). I think he's very good at this. But he's no negotiater, we needa get someone else in to do this. A hard ass type who won't take shit, it's just too important with the spot were in right now, good players depth or even best 22 are going to be targeted every single year, and if we can't get value for em it'll kill us. Jmac is not the man for that job.

 

[ThirdLegUp]

I just met with Essendon footy club and gave them shit about the stringer deal (and copped some back) and I'm assured they were indeed very very keen on Schache. Wanted O'Meara in his year as well.

...they also all think Dodo is a bigheaded flog internally but f'ing good as his job and are concerned he'll be even more bigheaded after this trade period. They took photos with stringer at the club on sat or sun (can't remember which) they were that confindent they would get him!



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you just met with Essendon football club?... sorry but what does that even mean.

 

[Bulldogs Legend]

They are still trying to convince Cloke to retire .. May just happen

Could we potentially just pay the contract out its only one year at $200k? I know that it still gets included in the cap but does it free up a spot?

 

[Bulldogs Legend]

you just met with Essendon football club?... sorry but what does that even mean.

he works at port Phillip prison

 

[doggies ftw]

I'm just glad I didn't have enough time today to make an aaabsoluteee dick out of myself (like many here did) don't get me wrong if I could have I would have, was bloody fuming all day. But got to see the final result and calm down a bit before posting which was lucky

 

[Mofra]

Could we potentially just pay the contract out its only one year at $200k? I know that it still gets included in the cap but does it free up a spot?

Cloke provides value as a mentor, really solid guy. I want him to stay with us next year even if he doesn't play seniors very often.

 

[Bulldogs Legend]

Lol, I was just youngster but it gutted me.


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I remember you 15 goals 9 and 2 out of bounds is hard to forget even though i was a young one.