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Strategy Trade and List management Thread Part 5 (opposition supporters - READ posting rules before posting)
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Someone outside the club please.
He also tweeted we hadn't done so in 2 years because of COVID... Weird.
I know the Naughton to defence has been done to death but our list just looks so much better like this: ((Assuming Dunkley gone and we get picks that take a while to come through).
I may not even pick him but keep swinging him back regularly so he plays half the game there if he is not nailing it by quarter time. He can be a weapon like West Coast had is he can take 10+ marks and win his position.
Weightman Bruce Darcy
JJ JUH West
Hunter Macrae Smith
English Bont Libba
Red Naughton Dale
Duryea Keath/Jones Cleary (Gardner/Khamis depending on who we play)
Trelor Daniel Garcia Williams/Bedendo
If we get Lobb then even more likely we move him or Bruce back. Prefer Bruce stays because he doesn’t have the flair or speed and even then f he does not play well he can do a job.
Bruce and JJ retire next year and Naughty and Bont go forward. sssume we get Jones and between he and Keath we have at least one if not two decent fit KPDs - Dads army but will only work if we get 2-3 you kids to develop.
TOB has been a flop - has a year on contract but should just pay him out if he is not going to play. Rather develop Raak (something there)
Need a Duryea back up - is Cleary or Khamis fast enough to play on Cameron/Walters/Pap/Rankine/Ginnivan etc? Does not seem so.
Now McComb has an extension? Delists and losses look like best case:
Dunkley
Martin
Wallis
Butler
Crozier (I like him but Bevo doesn’t)
Schache (has a role but will get more game time somewhere else)
That’s six
Could also lose with no impact really but Bevo favourites:
Jones and Parker look iffy but need to be given a proper go - are both in areas of need.
Sweet will be interesting - keeps getting slowly slowly better but still doesn’t dominate VFL so will be nervous.
Then we get:
- Dunkley for top 10 this year and second round next year - hopefully gets us Busslinger. Would love to see something where we get Bergman and a good pick (if Port), Payne and pick of Brisbane (Top pick and Francis if Essendon (I will chuck up my guys) - Francis can play and has been messed up. [so hopefully - one ready to go and one kid)
- Our pick 11 gets us a good small forward like George but I would use to get a ready to go Fullback if I could get one - who is genuinely gettable - not Elvis Barrass (and Naughton stays forward) - this means Ballard - not sure who else could be gettable - Mackay looks unlikely but if we have Dunkley and top pick would be hard to say no.
- Our Pick 29 gets us what we missed above or a solid third defender or small defender
- Schache could get us another second round but prefer to trade for a ruck like Meek. If they lose Lobb that works for them and the Freo system could work for Schache. Would prefer this to getting Lobb. Need the big Will/Hudson combo back!
- 1-2 roughies with later picks.
Could also lose JJ - do we get anything if he walks?
I may not even pick him but keep swinging him back regularly so he plays half the game there if he is not nailing it by quarter time. He can be a weapon like West Coast had is he can take 10+ marks and win his position.
Weightman Bruce Darcy
JJ JUH West
Hunter Macrae Smith
English Bont Libba
Red Naughton Dale
Duryea Keath/Jones Cleary (Gardner/Khamis depending on who we play)
Trelor Daniel Garcia Williams/Bedendo
If we get Lobb then even more likely we move him or Bruce back. Prefer Bruce stays because he doesn’t have the flair or speed and even then f he does not play well he can do a job.
Bruce and JJ retire next year and Naughty and Bont go forward. sssume we get Jones and between he and Keath we have at least one if not two decent fit KPDs - Dads army but will only work if we get 2-3 you kids to develop.
TOB has been a flop - has a year on contract but should just pay him out if he is not going to play. Rather develop Raak (something there)
Need a Duryea back up - is Cleary or Khamis fast enough to play on Cameron/Walters/Pap/Rankine/Ginnivan etc? Does not seem so.
Now McComb has an extension? Delists and losses look like best case:
Dunkley
Martin
Wallis
Butler
Crozier (I like him but Bevo doesn’t)
Schache (has a role but will get more game time somewhere else)
That’s six
Could also lose with no impact really but Bevo favourites:
- Hannan doesn’t add anything for us
- McComb
- TOB
Jones and Parker look iffy but need to be given a proper go - are both in areas of need.
Sweet will be interesting - keeps getting slowly slowly better but still doesn’t dominate VFL so will be nervous.
Then we get:
- Dunkley for top 10 this year and second round next year - hopefully gets us Busslinger. Would love to see something where we get Bergman and a good pick (if Port), Payne and pick of Brisbane (Top pick and Francis if Essendon (I will chuck up my guys) - Francis can play and has been messed up. [so hopefully - one ready to go and one kid)
- Our pick 11 gets us a good small forward like George but I would use to get a ready to go Fullback if I could get one - who is genuinely gettable - not Elvis Barrass (and Naughton stays forward) - this means Ballard - not sure who else could be gettable - Mackay looks unlikely but if we have Dunkley and top pick would be hard to say no.
- Our Pick 29 gets us what we missed above or a solid third defender or small defender
- Schache could get us another second round but prefer to trade for a ruck like Meek. If they lose Lobb that works for them and the Freo system could work for Schache. Would prefer this to getting Lobb. Need the big Will/Hudson combo back!
- 1-2 roughies with later picks.
Could also lose JJ - do we get anything if he walks?
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I am glad club has signed up Toby for one more year.
I know he ran out of puff last night but with hopefully an uninterrupted preseason he will be a real asset in the side.
I forgot how good he is and how much we missed him.
I know he ran out of puff last night but with hopefully an uninterrupted preseason he will be a real asset in the side.
I forgot how good he is and how much we missed him.
Overall I agree with you and I think you are referring to calls for him to be a KPD permanently. I have no issue with putting him back on occasion to stop other teams run on.
PS is he a generational KPD? Based on Saturday night’s performance no way but sometimes he is very good.
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Best news I’ve heard all year
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Roughead’s turnaround is once in a lifetime, was beyond finished.
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Proved a lot of people wrong, his value though (traded for pick 75) speaks volumes to where he was at. Very happy he did.
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Who are all these people, and there seems to be more every day, who are receiving “information”, and how?
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Nothing could stop you King....especially on your way to the bar
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Brad Wira says hi
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Who are all these people, and there seems to be more every day, who are receiving “information”, and how?
Most likely that the mate just read VD’s post the other day that he’d been told the same news, but he wasn’t overly convinced by it being true. I expect it’s just gone in a circle
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Media last week said he’s happy and fully engaged at the club and talks were going ok
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What always makes me laugh is the likes of Edmund or Ralph and their trade updates where they speak with such authority about what will and won't happen.
Media get played by managers and clubs when it comes to trades and if they think otherwise they're even more of a joke. Anything you hear from media about trades (before a trade is actually announced) is a guess, nothing more, nothing less.
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He wanted to get out when he was still under contract...I don't think that urgency was about money.
Some are definitely more clued in than others, but yes, lots of reading of the tea leaves and trying to piece things together to broadcast as ‘news’.
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AFL Finals Fremantle v Western Bulldogs: All the news, action and fallout from elimination final
Port Adelaide is coming hard for Josh Dunkley. But which other big names could be on their way out at the Dogs? And who will replace them?Jon Ralph
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September 5, 2022 - 7:15AM
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Port Adelaide would be prepared to offer a single first-round pick for out-of-contract Bulldogs star Josh Dunkley as the Power steps up their chase for the in-demand midfielder.
The Western Bulldogs crashed out of finals with another dramatic fadeout from 41 points up against Fremantle a year after their diabolical grand final collapse.
Coach Luke Beveridge said the club had failed to find consistency all year as it prepares for significant list changes in coming months.
Beveridge is out of contract at the end of next year and while he will be under some pressure, he has made finals in six of his eight seasons and is only the second Dogs coach after Terry Wallace to play in four consecutive finals series.
Fremantle ruckman Rory Lobb will join the Bulldogs and potentially allow Sam Darcy to play as a swingman while ex-Dogs and Carlton full-back Liam Jones will return to the club on a three-year deal.
The Dogs defenders kept Lobb, Jye Amiss and Griffin Logue to five combined goals but have not had a regular intercept presence for some years in a game based on turnovers.
Free agent Jason Johannisen is likely to secure a bigger deal elsewhere, with the Herald Sun reporting last week that Gold Coast is one suitor.
Premiership swingman Zaine Cordy played 14 games including the last five of the Dogs’ season in defence, but is an unrestricted free agent who could prove attractive to clubs looking for full-backs.
Rivals believe Josh Dunkley could seek a fresh start a new club. Picture: Daniel Pockett/Getty Images
Dunkley had put off talks over a contract until the end of the season and now has at least three options in a year in which he is out of contract but not a free agent after only seven years’ service.
Given his contract talks have drifted after starting as far back as last year’s grand final, rival clubs believe there is a good chance he will move on for a fresh start.
Port Adelaide will attempt to escalate its chase for Dunkley this week. So far the Power has offered him a long-term deal of around $650,000, similar to the Dogs’ contract offer.
The Power believes it is ahead of Brisbane, where Dunkley’s sister lives, because his girlfriend Tippah Dwan plays for the Adelaide Thunderbirds and is contracted for the 2023 season.
Dockers big man Rory Lobb is set to request a trade to the Dogs. Picture: Paul Kane/Getty Images
Two years ago the Dogs asked Essendon for two first-round picks when Dunkley’s manager Liam Pickering made clear he wanted to move clubs.
Essendon baulked but now that he is out of contract the Power believes a single first-round pick is a fair price.
Their first-round pick comes in at No.8 but will push back one spot to nine when Brisbane matches an early bid for father-son Will Ashcroft.
Rhylee West, who has not yet come to terms on a new deal, was dropped for round 23 and did not win back his spot for the finals,
Josh Schache and Stef Martin are uncontracted, while Mitch Wallis says Dogs coach Luke Beveridge is open to him playing on next year under a one-year contract.
Did ghosts of grand final haunt Bulldogs?
– Brad ElboroughAs the Western Bulldogs bow out of the 2022 premiership race, coach Luke Beveridge says it is difficult to say whether there was any trauma hanging over from last year’s Grand Final loss to Melbourne.
He does admit that there were frustrations throughout this season, with the internal belief that they could do better.
But as they try to regroup and are forced to turn their attention on 2023, before they can, they need to try to sure up some uncontracted players.
That starts with Josh Dunkley, who Beveridge says they are desperate to keep at Whitten Oval.
Dunkley was arguably the Dogs best in their disappointing Elimination Final loss to Fremantle in Perth on Saturday night.
He had 23 possessions, 15 of them contested and put on 14 tackles. He also had seven clearances.
Several clubs are reportedly having a big crack at the Dogs star, including Brisbane and Port Adelaide.
The Bulldogs leave the field after another defeat in a final at Perth Stadium in which they led for significant parts of the game. Picture: Getty Images
Beveridge says it will be financial opportunity and not soiled relationship that could see Dunkley, or any other player leave.
“We’re desperate; we hope Josh is going to stay. But I can’t tell you whether he is or whether he isn’t,” he said.
“I can tell you absolutely that the relationships are really strong. If there is a reason to leave the club, it might be for opportunity and the short lifespan of an AFL footy, you have to make hay financially as much as you can, and we understand that.
“That’s the reality that is difficult to deal with or process culturally. But it is going to be more and more normalised. We have to get used to it.”
The Dogs 2016 Norm Smith medallist Jason Johannisen and defender Zaine Cordy are also yet to be signed on for 2023.
After winning 15 home and away games in 2021, finishing fifth in the ladder and winning through to the Grand Final, the Dogs slipped this season.
They won 12 games, the Round 23 victory seeing them slip into eighth spot for just the fourth week of the season… and that was only thanks to Collingwood winning a nail biter over Carlton in the last round.
They last five losses were all against sides in the top eight.
Beveridge said it was difficult to determine what impact the Grand Final loss to Melbourne had on the group.
“I was hoping the trauma of the Grand Final wouldn’t have any lasting effects,” he said.
“It’s difficult to understand any sort of magnitude on that, whether it did or whether it didn’t. We felt, at different stages, with one or two of the significant wins, that we were definitely moving beyond that.
“But all of us as individuals, when we think about what we’re capable of, that we’d self-reflect and say, ‘I think I can be more consistent; I can be better than what I have been for the course’.
“That’s what we have to strive for next year. And that has added up to some frustrations here and there.”
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