Strategy Trade and List management Thread Part 5 (opposition supporters - READ posting rules before posting)

[doggiesin08]

I get where people are coming from that it’s different when players earn 15mil instead of 500k per year.

But I just think that it’ll make players stay contracted and give clubs a bit more room in negotiation, I doubt we’d see that many players actually cop it they’d just adapt. The current system just doesn’t work for clubs.

Plus the players are contracted by the AFL so I’m not sure how a restraint of trade lawsuit would hold up

I don’t have much sympathy for the clubs on the list management front. They’ll run supplement programs, silly pre-season camps, altitude trainings, partner with university sports science departments, etc. to get a small edge but won’t use the ****ing Pre Season Draft?

It’s a crock of **** that North got priority picks while not even trying to use the PSD across multiple years. If the bottom clubs start using it then it becomes a proper threat in trade discussions for uncontracted players, either helping the player if they’re happy to be a mercenary (as is their right) or helping the club if the player really doesn’t want to end up at a rubbish team (and so maybe they agree to an alternate “acceptable” team offering a better trade).

North should have been offering Dunkley a 1-year $1m deal with a promise to trade him to his club of choice in 12-months for a single pick under #[18] - or [x] draft index points across no more than 2 picks. Also they should have been offering Logue a big one-off signing bonus if he agreed to come via the PSD. That’s a far better use of their excess salary for being garbage than picking up Hugh Greenwood.

 

[doggiesin08]

Their has to be a mechanism to stop players holding clubs to random by nominating only one team they will be traded to though.

The mechanism is calling their bluff and being prepared to welcome them back if they decide against the PSD.

 

[maddog37]

The mechanism is calling their bluff and being prepared to welcome them back if they decide against the PSD.

A mechanism other than the roll the dice and get nothing option.

 

[doggiesin08]

A mechanism other than the roll the dice and get nothing option.

But you don’t get nothing, you get a bunch of space in the salary cap to do the same to someone else. I understand you have that too when you trade them for value. I guess I’m just not inclined to give the clubs more power / leverage when they don’t even use what’s currently available to them.

I also don’t think there’s a strong philosophical reason for increasing the power of the club versus the player when they’re out of contract. If I was to give any additional protection to the clubs it would be extension options (and meaningfully higher salaries) for years 3 and 4 after they’ve drafted a player.

 

[Dannnnnnnnnn]

Slightly less calls for 30% of the list to be culled in favour of 18 year olds after a nice win.

Jokes aside, I don't think the list needs to be completely blown up. We have some really nice top-end talent - some current, some emerging - all over the ground, but we have a bit of a gap in the middle tier. Honestly, the biggest problem with our middle tier is that they are inconsistent. We lack those reliable guys who just get the job done week in, week out, and from contest-to-contest to a reasonable level. For all the criticism of Hunter and Cordy, they were these guys: for the most part, every contest of the game and every round, you knew what they were going to bring, and they brought it.

At the moment our middle tier is a revolving door for whoever showed a little bit of form in the VFL, and I think that is a big part of why we are inconsistent. There are centre bounce consistency issues not necessarily attributable to this, but in other areas of the ground, for too many players you don't know whether you're going to get the D grade or B grade version of them. To take the next step in form, that has to change.

In terms of list management, it is too early to say what we need to do, really, short of positions of need and players of interest. But I wouldn't be against trying to pick up a handful of low-cost mature guys that can just play roles and add depth. Really, that's what I feel we need more than anything.

For the season ahead, though, if we're any shot, we need some of the following: Lobb, JUH, Smith, Croz, West, Duryea, Baker, McLean, O'Brien, Vandermeer, Scott, McComb, Hannan, McNeil, Jones, Williams, Garcia, Gardner, Keath, etc - to find a consistent level in their roles.

 

[dergert]

Luke Teal sounds like a player we would look at the for the MSD?

read that he can play as a small defender and do it well.

 

[dergert]

Also when do people think Tassie will enter the league? Hopefully we have a bumper F/S crop that will off set their million first round picks over the ten years.

 

[doggiesin08]

Luke Teal sounds like a player we would look at the for the MSD?

read that he can play as a small defender and do it well.

We’ve picked up Cleary and Gallagher as overage players in the last 2 drafts so we’re definitely prepared to look at the 19 year olds. The question will be the rate of improvement he’s showing versus last year.

 

[dogwatch]

Also when do people think Tassie will enter the league? Hopefully we have a bumper F/S crop that will off set their million first round picks over the ten years.

I heard one report say it "could be as early as 2026".

 

[Bulldogs85]

Also when do people think Tassie will enter the league? Hopefully we have a bumper F/S crop that will off set their million first round picks over the ten years.

Australian Broadcasting Corporation Article

When will a Tasmanian team play its first game?​

It's set to enter the league in 2027, playing games at Hobart's Bellerive Oval and Launceston's York Park for the first year or two of its existence until the Macquarie Point stadium is ready to go.Like recent expansion clubs Gold Coast and Greater Western Sydney, a Tasmanian team could play in the VFL in the years before it enters the big league.

 

[HELMET!]

I think Cooney is top age U16 so 2025 draft. Not sure about Darcy.

I feel like Adam isn't that keen on us after his retirement, I wonder if that'll have any effect on his son nominating

 

[dergert]

Australian Broadcasting Corporation Article

When will a Tasmanian team play its first game?​

It's set to enter the league in 2027, playing games at Hobart's Bellerive Oval and Launceston's York Park for the first year or two of its existence until the Macquarie Point stadium is ready to go.Like recent expansion clubs Gold Coast and Greater Western Sydney, a Tasmanian team could play in the VFL in the years before it enters the big league.

Damn. Still time for the club to prepare then.

 

[Doggy]

I feel like Adam isn't that keen on us after his retirement, I wonder if that'll have any effect on his son nominating

Not true anymore. Relationship is fine, he’s said so himself and he’s happy with Jaxon being a bulldog

 

[dogwatch]

Not true anymore. Relationship is fine, he’s said so himself and he’s happy with Jason being a bulldog

And isn't Jason Cooney already in the FS squad/academy or whatever we call it?

 

[Doggy]

And isn't Jason Cooney already in the FS squad/academy or whatever we call it?

Auto correct… name is Jaxon

Yes he is

 

[dogwatch]

Auto correct… name is Jaxon

Yes he is

Thanks. Yeah, Jason didn't sound right. It's so 90s.

 

[Charlie Bucket]

And isn't Jason Cooney already in the FS squad/academy or whatever we call it?

 

[_Cerberus_]

Apparently the Demons are interested in trading their three first round picks for pick number one, to target Reid. Given one of the picks will likely be a top 5 pick thanks to Freo sucking right now, I'd give them a slight chance of pulling it off. Also means the other clubs with 3 first round picks will have a weaker hand to play with to try and match it. Would effectively rule us out if we had plans to do the same.

Imagine a Demons Midfield of Oliver, Petracca, and Reid Would be a midfield of bulls like no other. Though any team with pick one would be stupid to pass on him at this rate.

 

[BulldogMuscle]

Apparently the Demons are interested in trading their three first round picks for pick number one, to target Reid. Given one of the picks will likely be a top 5 pick thanks to Freo sucking right now, I'd give them a slight chance of pulling it off. Also means the other clubs with 3 first round picks will have a weaker hand to play with to try and match it. Would effectively rule us out if we had plans to do the same.

Imagine a Demons Midfield of Oliver, Petracca, and Reid Would be a midfield of bulls like no other. Though any team with pick one would be stupid to pass on him at this rate.

If the wooden spooners (North/Hawks/Eagles) trade out their pick 1 to a much higher rank team and essentially pass on Reid, they should fire their list manager. Short of pick 2/3/4 you simply don't pass on a kid like this.

 

[Golden_6]

Apparently the Demons are interested in trading their three first round picks for pick number one, to target Reid. Given one of the picks will likely be a top 5 pick thanks to Freo sucking right now, I'd give them a slight chance of pulling it off. Also means the other clubs with 3 first round picks will have a weaker hand to play with to try and match it. Would effectively rule us out if we had plans to do the same.

Imagine a Demons Midfield of Oliver, Petracca, and Reid Would be a midfield of bulls like no other. Though any team with pick one would be stupid to pass on him at this rate.

It wouldn't bother me to be honest, let them do it. I'd much rather have a pick 5 + two other top 15 picks than Reid alone. He might turn out to be a gun but he's only one player and history has shown plenty of examples of pick 1's not setting the world on fire in early seasons.

 

[_Cerberus_]

It wouldn't bother me to be honest, let them do it. I'd much rather have a pick 5 + two other top 15 picks than Reid alone. He might turn out to be a gun but he's only one player and history has shown plenty of examples of pick 1's not setting the world on fire in early seasons.

I'm not bothered to miss him. More so the strong becoming stronger, Demons will be a pain in the ass for a few more years. But we can't complain much with getting JUH and Darcy despite having finals runs. Hope he ends up at the Eagles, can't stand Demons or Hawks.

 

[LittleG]

Apparently the Demons are interested in trading their three first round picks for pick number one, to target Reid. Given one of the picks will likely be a top 5 pick thanks to Freo sucking right now, I'd give them a slight chance of pulling it off. Also means the other clubs with 3 first round picks will have a weaker hand to play with to try and match it. Would effectively rule us out if we had plans to do the same.

Imagine a Demons Midfield of Oliver, Petracca, and Reid Would be a midfield of bulls like no other. Though any team with pick one would be stupid to pass on him at this rate.

Good.
Their forward line is puss and their defence is getting old. As much as we need to bring in 2 midfielders (& an interceptor), they need KPFs, Med Forward & KPD.

Trading out multiple first rounders will prevent them from getting better. In reality, they would be better off targeting another team with multiple KPFs and giving them 3 first round picks…. Either Carlolton or Us, would be their best options to target.

 

[Bulldogs85]

Apparently the Demons are interested in trading their three first round picks for pick number one, to target Reid. Given one of the picks will likely be a top 5 pick thanks to Freo sucking right now, I'd give them a slight chance of pulling it off. Also means the other clubs with 3 first round picks will have a weaker hand to play with to try and match it. Would effectively rule us out if we had plans to do the same.

Imagine a Demons Midfield of Oliver, Petracca, and Reid Would be a midfield of bulls like no other. Though any team with pick one would be stupid to pass on him at this rate.

Don’t surprise me they have a history doing it they tried last year trading up trying to get Bailey Humphrey

 

[_Cerberus_]

Good.
Their forward line is puss and their defence is getting old. As much as we need to bring in 2 midfielders (& an interceptor), they need KPFs, Med Forward & KPD.

Trading out multiple first rounders will prevent them from getting better. In reality, they would be better off targeting another team with multiple KPFs and giving them 3 first round picks…. Either Carlolton or Us, would be their best options to target.

Plus Gawn is already 31, so you can throw ruck in there as well. Probably has a couple years left.

 

[doggies ftw]

Van Rooyan looks bloody good, it’s annoying because I really don’t want them having a good young key forward too