Strategy Trade and List management Thread Part 6 (opposition supporters - READ posting rules before posting)

[Golden_6]

Herald Sun reporting that we will get multiple 3rd round picks back with 4 as part of the Suns trade.

That makes more sense and pays for Croft.

Maybe we trade out our 2nd rounder and trade back in on draft night.

If the deal ends up being 10, 17 & F1 for essentially Watson & Croft, I just can’t justify it to be honest.

If it came down to it, I’d prefer to just use 10, take Croft at 17 (if we can’t get value for that pick) and have out first rounder available for a midfielder next season.

 

[Doggy]

If the deal ends up being 10, 17 & F1 for essentially Watson & Croft, I just can’t justify it to be honest.

If it came down to it, I’d prefer to just use 10, take Croft at 17 (if we can’t get value for that pick) and have out first rounder available for a midfielder next season.

Probably have at least one first rounder next year anyway from trades

 

[The Inbetweener]

If the deal ends up being 10, 17 & F1 for essentially Watson & Croft, I just can’t justify it to be honest.

If it came down to it, I’d prefer to just use 10, take Croft at 17 (if we can’t get value for that pick) and have out first rounder available for a midfielder next season.

It’s essentially the same thing though - rather than using F1 to pay for Croft you are using 17. Meaning they value Watson as being worth 10 & F1.

If we finish in the 8 it makes sense. It only becomes an issue if we fail next year and our F1 is high, which is some chance given we are going with Bevo again.

 

[doggy_dog]

Twomey reporting there’s two first round picks up for grabs, Geelong’s 7 and GC’s 10 via Bulldogs. Sounds like we’re pretty far down the road based on that wording

 

[Dogs Rule]

It’s essentially the same thing though - rather than using F1 to pay for Croft you are using 17. Meaning they value Watson as being worth 10 & F1.

If we finish in the 8 it makes sense. It only becomes an issue if we fail next year and our F1 is high, which is some chance given we are going with Bevo again.

Also depends how good Watson is.

In three to five years time, it could be the best decision the club has made.

 

[Doggy]

Also depends how good Watson is.

In three to five years time, it could be the best decision the club has made.

Might not be Watson ... could be someone like Caddy ... who knows

 

[TiAn_]

I think GC will give us back as many points as we’re giving them. Possibly more in our
favour via R3 picks. But they’ll be collecting an F1 for the downgrade from 4 to 10 and will be able to split pick 10 on the night if they need extra points.

The trade will effectively be 10 & F1 for 4, and 17 for a couple of R3 picks. Unders on 17, but we’re also a bid matching team that needs points and the bid will come before 17.

The other factor that makes the trade more palatable for us is that 10 is likely to be pushed out to 13-14 and 17 out to 21-22.

Trading the F1 is a risk, but I think in the wash the trade is going to look pretty fair, as long as we don’t bottom out next year.

 

[Golden_6]

It’s essentially the same thing though - rather than using F1 to pay for Croft you are using 17. Meaning they value Watson as being worth 10 & F1.

If we finish in the 8 it makes sense. It only becomes an issue if we fail next year and our F1 is high, which is some chance given we are going with Bevo again.

It's the F1 that is the issue. We are a seriously good chance of imploding next season. It might not happen but the risk is far far too great to be in a position to trade that pick.

 

[Mojorisin]

Who ever has a Free Agent next year is going to get screwed over.
This year they're using the old formula based on the old player payments and everyone is getting overs.
I feel there I going to be a knee jerk reaction similar to that of the NGA system when Jamarra went pick 1.

 

[The Inbetweener]

I think GC will give us back as many points as we’re giving them. Possibly more in our
favour via R3 picks. But they’ll be collecting an F1 for the downgrade from 4 to 10 and will be able to split pick 10 on the night if they need extra points.

The trade will effectively be 10 & F1 for 4, and 17 for a couple of R3 picks. Unders on 17, but we’re also a bid matching team that needs points and the bid will come before 17.

The other factor that makes the trade more palatable for us is that 10 is likely to be pushed out to 13-14 and 17 out to 21-22.

Trading the F1 is a risk, but I think in the wash the trade is going to look pretty fair, as long as we don’t bottom out next year.

Agree it’s a risk. They obviously think it’s worth it for Watson though. Given I wanted to draft Aish over Bont and Coffield over Naughton I try and stay out of the value of draftees!

 

[Testekill]

God, trading out of next year's first round as well is a big price to pay when we need to find an elite midfielder.

 

[Doggy]

God, trading out of next year's first round as well is a big price to pay when we need to find an elite midfielder.

You say that like we're not going to lose English and / or Smith

 

[Testekill]

You say that like we're not going to lose English and / or Smith

So why not keep our future 1st so that we can have two early first round picks if it's a given that we're losing one of them and we're going to slide?

Why sell the farm for a high half forward when we need to work on our midfield?

 

[Doggy]

So why not keep our future 1st so that we can have two early first round picks if it's a given that we're losing one of them and we're going to slide?

Why sell the farm for a high half forward when we need to work on our midfield?

I'm not the one saying we are going to "slide". If the coaching group comes off then there's every chance it is the opposite

 

[Doggy]

Xavier Duursma

Morris: “There are plenty of suitors for Duursma. Essendon we know about, Collingwood and the Dogs, they’re weighing up a play too. I’m sure there’s others. I think the Saints would be a perfect fit.”

 

[Foxman98]

Xavier Duursma

Morris: “There are plenty of suitors for Duursma. Essendon we know about, Collingwood and the Dogs, they’re weighing up a play too. I’m sure there’s others. I think the Saints would be a perfect fit.”

If it's Sweet and a 3rd i'd do it anymore and he is simply not worth it

 

[House_of_Dahl]

I think GC will give us back as many points as we’re giving them. Possibly more in our
favour via R3 picks. But they’ll be collecting an F1 for the downgrade from 4 to 10 and will be able to split pick 10 on the night if they need extra points.

The trade will effectively be 10 & F1 for 4, and 17 for a couple of R3 picks. Unders on 17, but we’re also a bid matching team that needs points and the bid will come before 17.

The other factor that makes the trade more palatable for us is that 10 is likely to be pushed out to 13-14 and 17 out to 21-22.

Trading the F1 is a risk, but I think in the wash the trade is going to look pretty fair, as long as we don’t bottom out next year.

If we can work it so that we get back in after Croft with a 20 something and a 30 something, I'd be stoked. Collard/Tholstrop and Lual plus Croft and Watson/McKercher would be amazing outcome

 

[Doggy]

If it's Sweet and a 3rd i'd do it anymore and he is simply not worth it

He's an Essendope pick, will probably end up there

 

[Foxman98]

He's an Essendope pick, will probably end up there

His recent finals campaign has not filled me with any excitement for him

 

[doggy_dog]

Xavier Duursma

Morris: “There are plenty of suitors for Duursma. Essendon we know about, Collingwood and the Dogs, they’re weighing up a play too. I’m sure there’s others. I think the Saints would be a perfect fit.”

Would take him if he came cheap. Definite upgrade on Baker and has upside

 

[CaptainMurphy]

Article is behind paywall can someone please post it up

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/trade-hq/afl-trade-2023-all-the-trade-news-whispers-from-the-opening-day-of-trade-period/news-story/257a2d40be8458e9c8d105d2450c29de

Western Bulldogs are zeroing in on goalkicking wizard Nick Watson in a move that would complete their forward line of the future alongside Aaron Naughton, Jamarra Ugle-Hagan, Cody Weightman and Sam Darcy.
Rivals believe 170cm forward Watson, from East Ringwood, is the man the Dogs are most likely to target should they get their hands on Gold Coast’s No.4 draft pick.

The Suns are auctioning off the precious selection and trade talks are advanced with the Bulldogs.

The most likely deal would see the Dogs handover No.10, 17 and their future first-round selection for No.4 and multiple third-round picks in this year’s draft.

Those third-round picks would not be used by the Suns and would help the Dogs match a bid for athletic father-son prospect Jordan Croft.

The Dogs will draft between two and four players next month. Securing Watson and Croft would be a bonanza for the Dogs, who have locked away Naughton until 2032 as well as Buku Khamis for next year.


Much-loved Bulldog Toby McLean, a 2016 premiership player, is also keen to stay at Whitten Oval.

But with list spots limited there is a chance McLean could be enticed to join a rival as he waits for a contract offer.

The 27-year-old is highly-respected for his work-rate and is a known finals star, having been brought in for last year’s elimination final despite not playing any minutes during the home-and-away season.

The Suns will trade Chris Burgess to Adelaide amongst a swap of several picks that will net them valuable draft points.

Hawthorn has not held serious talks with the Suns yet over a deal for Mabior Chol. But it’s understood the Hawks have tabled Chol a four-year contract with a trigger for a fifth season.

Given the length of that deal it is unlikely that Chol will come overly cheaply. The Suns will match a bids for Jed Walter, Jake Rogers and Ethan Read in the first round.

Walter could be bid on as early as pick No.2 or 3 while Rogers and Read are likely to go in the top 15.


Should the Dogs draft Watson and Croft it would mark five consecutive years that they have not drafted a midfielder in the first round.

They took Weightman at No.15 in 2019, Ugle-Hagan at No.1 in 2020, Darcy at No.2 in 2021 and key defender Jedd Busslinger at No.13 last year.

Matching bids for Ugle-Hagan and Darcy meant the Dogs spent the 2020-2021 drafts picking early and late and without selections in the middle parts of the draft.

They believe this year’s crop lacks inside midfielders and are targeting an intercepting defender as well as leg speed in the midfield.

They have been linked to Nick Coffield (St Kilda) and premiership player James Harmes (Melbourne). The Dogs will also trade understudy ruckman Jordon Sweet to Port Adelaide.

Watson grew up a Collingwood fan who idolised Magpie Jamie Elliott and Sydney star Tom Papley. The 18-year-old bagged 14 goals in four games for Vic Metro this year.

 

[bobs head soup]

20 minutes into the trade period and still no action.

Sam Power

Sam Power

Age

41

Ht

190cm

Wt

82kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.7

4star

K

7.8

3star

HB

6.9

4star

M

4.2

4star

T

2.0

4star

No current season stats available

D

7.8

2star

K

3.8

2star

HB

4.0

3star

M

1.8

2star

T

1.6

4star

must be twiddling his thumbs.

Give us something.

 

[Scragger77]

God, trading out of next year's first round as well is a big price to pay when we need to find an elite midfielder.

Agreed. I have no issues trading FP1 but I just don’t get why we would target a170cm forward when our immediate need is speed and outside run in the midfield.

 

[Doggies_13]

I wouldn’t be against us getting all of Coffield, Harmes, Duursma and Billings. They would cost a 3rd rounder or less each you would think, Duursma maybe slightly more.

I look at it like this compared to our team most weeks last year.

Duursma in for Baker
Harmes in for Scott
Billings in for VDM
Coffield in for Keath (play 2 talls)

Bottom 6 each week gets improved add in to that pick 4 (assuming we get it)

Natural development and injury free seasons from guys like
JOD
West
Arty
Darcy
Garcia
Gallagher
Clarke
Buss
Bedendo

All of a sudden our depth looks better and we are likely more consistent in output from that bottom 6 group

 

[Dannnnnnnnnn]

If we trade three first rounders for a 170cm forward/mid and a key forward, who the hell plays in our midfield in two years and how exactly do we get them?