Strategy Trade and List management Thread Part 6 (opposition supporters - READ posting rules before posting)

[BulldogMuscle]

I had this Article up but i deleted it

Rival clubs are reportedly keeping a watch on Western Bulldogs midfielder Jack Macrae.

Channel 9’s Tom Morris reports teams are “monitoring” the three-time All-Australian, who was left out of the Dogs’ senior team for last weekend’s loss to Melbourne after an injury disrupted pre-season.

It curiously came after the 29-year old was demoted from the Bulldogs’ leadership group over the off-season.
“Jack Macrae, playing VFL, I know he is not fully fit yet but he’s got four years left on a deal,” Morris said on Channel 9’s Footy Furnace.

“Clubs are monitoring him and just seeing whether they could potentially pry him out of the Bulldogs.”
The Dogs against Melbourne unveiled five new faces including their trio of recruits — James Harmes, Lachie Bramble and Nick Coffield — plus debutants Ryley Sanders and Harvey Gallagher.

Speaking post-match, Dogs coach Luke Beveridge suggested Macrae, 29, was nearing a return to the senior side and that the club wouldn’t risk him if he’s not fully fit.

“With ‘Jacko’ (Macrae), he had a stress-related, through his femur, concern over the pre-season — he worked really hard over his off-season,” Beveridge told reporters.
“And then he had that hamstring that he went down with and he missed quite a bit of training and running and his capacity to cover the ground needs to be there.

“So we’ll just wait until Jack’s totally ready to perform at his absolute best with the ground cover. So he’s not far away.”

Might not be a bad thing if it allows us to get back into this years mid heavy draft?

 

[Bulldogs85]

Might not be a bad thing if it allows us to get back into this years mid heavy draft?

Don’t think we would get much for him

 

[GetDimmaBack]

Don’t think we would get much for him

I think you'll find plenty of clubs disagreeing with you on that!

 

[Bald]

I think you'll find plenty of clubs disagreeing with you on that!

I don't, I think an early second would be the absolute most we could expect and I don't even think we'd get that.

 

[Mofra]

I'd be tempted to 'rush' Macrae back straight into Harmes' HF role.

 

[threenewpadlocks]

I don't, I think an early second would be the absolute most we could expect and I don't even think we'd get that.

Macrae signed an extension in the 2021-2 off-season on the back of All-Australian years and is contracted until 2027. Even if there's triggers/bonuses in the contract he hasn't met, we have to assume he's on good coin. So if we fall, into a heap this season, finish bottom 6, and if he wanted out, we would presumably pay a portion of that contract, a finals-quality team without salary cap room would take him, and we'd get their first round pick (outside the top 10). But if we're still competitive this season there's no logic for either party to trade for him.

All of this is assuming he wants out, which there's no reason to assume he would. He signed in 2022 with an obvious understanding that we may not be good for the entirety of the years he signed for, and he still could have made himself a free agent when out of contract with fewer years, but was fine with it. Even if he's struggling to get picked there's no (current) suggestion he would want out.

 

[Mofra]

Macrae signed an extension in the 2021-2 off-season on the back of All-Australian years and is contracted until 2027. Even if there's triggers/bonuses in the contract he hasn't met, we have to assume he's on good coin. So if we fall, into a heap this season, finish bottom 6, and if he wanted out, we would presumably pay a portion of that contract, a finals-quality team without salary cap room would take him, and we'd get their first round pick (outside the top 10). But if we're still competitive this season there's no logic for either party to trade for him.

All of this is assuming he wants out, which there's no reason to assume he would. He signed in 2022 with an obvious understanding that we may not be good for the entirety of the years he signed for, and he still could have made himself a free agent when out of contract with fewer years, but was fine with it. Even if he's struggling to get picked there's no (current) suggestion he would want out.

Libba turns 32 soon and is a year by year proposition. I'd definitely be keeping Macrae given Libba's knees are ticking time bombs and Macrae as an experienced mid goes straight in if that happens.

 

[Golden_6]

Have heard from my player manager mate that Richmond are gearing up to fire-sale all their older-aged players to kick start their rebuild.

Anyone we want?

If we recover and finish in that 6-8 range, I’d have a look at Vlaustin. He should come relatively cheap and we’re so obviously in need of interceptors given our lack of quality mediums.

Obviously the jury is still out on Coffield & Buku.

 

[threenewpadlocks]

Libba turns 32 soon and is a year by year proposition. I'd definitely be keeping Macrae given Libba's knees are ticking time bombs and Macrae as an experienced mid goes straight in if that happens.

I would too. I can just see the logic in accelerating a rebuild with extra top-end draft picks should we only win 5 games or whatever this season and dack Bevo and give a new coach a clean slate to work with. It's an unlikely scenario but trading players with three years left on a contract is an uncommon thing anyway.

 

[Mofra]

I would too. I can just see the logic in accelerating a rebuild with extra top-end draft picks should we only win 5 games or whatever this season and dack Bevo and give a new coach a clean slate to work with. It's an unlikely scenario but trading players with three years left on a contract is an uncommon thing anyway.

I'm not considering a rebuild until Bont hangs up the boots, especially with the best bunch of young talls I've seen in my lifetime as a doggies supporter - Naughton, Marra, Darcy, JOD, Croft & Buss.

Go hard for a small forward (IIRC we were close to landing Schultz) & a small defender (Duggan FA?) and we're in a good posiiton. Even better if we land a mature wingman and/or Freijah develops quickly.

 

[hatescaptcha]

I’d be interested to see Cleary develop more as a wingman. He has the tools.


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[Golden_6]

I’d be interested to see Cleary develop more as a wingman. He has the tools.


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I've said it before but I don't rate him. AFL level skills but he's too slow and not competitive enough. If you think the opposition moves the ball quickly through our midfield with no resistance, he's another that would hurt that.

 

[Golden_6]

I'd be tempted to 'rush' Macrae back straight into Harmes' HF role.

Unfortunately I expect Bevo to promote CD into the starting lineup and give the rest of the 22 another shot. He's always reactive rather than proactive.

 

[geoffjennings79]

I would too. I can just see the logic in accelerating a rebuild with extra top-end draft picks should we only win 5 games or whatever this season and dack Bevo and give a new coach a clean slate to work with. It's an unlikely scenario but trading players with three years left on a contract is an uncommon thing anyway.

Is dacking still a thing?
But hey, if it works, I'm all for dacking Bevo too, relatively harmless with the right audience in a safe space like a footy club, might get him to re-focus?!

 

[Bald]

Macrae signed an extension in the 2021-2 off-season on the back of All-Australian years and is contracted until 2027. Even if there's triggers/bonuses in the contract he hasn't met, we have to assume he's on good coin. So if we fall, into a heap this season, finish bottom 6, and if he wanted out, we would presumably pay a portion of that contract, a finals-quality team without salary cap room would take him, and we'd get their first round pick (outside the top 10). But if we're still competitive this season there's no logic for either party to trade for him.

All of this is assuming he wants out, which there's no reason to assume he would. He signed in 2022 with an obvious understanding that we may not be good for the entirety of the years he signed for, and he still could have made himself a free agent when out of contract with fewer years, but was fine with it. Even if he's struggling to get picked there's no (current) suggestion he would want out.

Is there any precedence for 30 year olds, contracted for a further 2 years who have fallen out of favour (and may not be at their best anymore), netting their clubs a first round pick? I can't really think of any - but happy to be educated.

 

[Golden_6]

Is there any precedence for 30 year olds, contracted for a further 2 years who have fallen out of favour (and may not be at their best anymore), netting their clubs a first round pick? I can't really think of any - but happy to be educated.

We don’t know for sure if he’s fallen out of favour yet. We might need to reevaluate in 6 weeks.

Bevo revealed a stress reaction in his femur but you just never know whether that’s the real reason or Bevo is just using it as an excuse to not pick him.

 

[weltschmerz]

Is dacking still a thing?
But hey, if it works, I'm all for dacking Bevo too, relatively harmless with the right audience in a safe space like a footy club, might get him to re-focus?!

have him walk down Barkly St pants around his ankles while Rory Lobb drives in a small car and the team points and laughs?

 

[Bald]

We don’t know for sure if he’s fallen out of favour yet. We might need to reevaluate in 6 weeks.

Bevo revealed a stress reaction in his femur but you just never know whether that’s the real reason or Bevo is just using it as an excuse to not pick him.

I think it's fairly clear he has though when you consider his role in the team last year.

I hope he hasn't, and I'd love to be proven wrong but there's a few considerations here. A new coach would do Jack a world of good, whether that's at the Dogs or elsewhere remains to be seen.

 

[threenewpadlocks]

Is there any precedence for 30 year olds, contracted for a further 2 years who have fallen out of favour (and may not be at their best anymore), netting their clubs a first round pick? I can't really think of any - but happy to be educated.

Few examples around the edges.

Jack Steven went for next to nothing but Geelong were able to take on his salary after he sort of fell off the wagon a bit. If Macrae continues to drop off and becomes literally unplayable, it might be comparable if another team pays the entirety of the remainder of his contract.

Paddy Ryder was worth roughly a pick in the early 20's once all the pick swaps were factored in to ruck only three years for Saints.

We paid it for Treloar, though only 28, nobody expected an output of performance at the level of his four seasons preceeding his last season at the Pies, where he was part of the AA squad of 40 three times.

Shaun Higgins netted North pick 30 for just two years at Geelong.

Fair cop though - other comparable examples like us trading Brian Lake and Adam Cooney, or Melbourne trading for Bernie Vince, were only worth picks in the 30's - so to suggest we would get a first round pick is a bit ambitious. Though as I qualified it really just depends how much of his salary we would be willing to pay.

 

[S11]

With Roughead joining us and Matteas Phillipou still unsigned, any chance of grabbing him?

 

[Foxman98]

With Roughead joining us and Matteas Phillipou still unsigned, any chance of grabbing him?

Think you have done yourself a mischief here

 

[Bald]

With Roughead joining us and Matteas Phillipou still unsigned, any chance of grabbing him?

Sure.

 

[adogsfan5]

If Macrae played on the weekend, Morris wouldn’t have “reported” anything about clubs enquiring. Hes full of shit.

 

[Mofra]

Is there any precedence for 30 year olds, contracted for a further 2 years who have fallen out of favour (and may not be at their best anymore), netting their clubs a first round pick? I can't really think of any - but happy to be educated.

One remotely comparable player to get a first rounder at that age was Shaun Burgoyne, but he was 28, Port's Vice-Captain and firmly best 22. I could not fathom trading Macrae out with our mids list profile of Bont, Treloar, Libba and then not much until a developing Sanders and an ACL recovering Bailey Smith.

 

[Anja_Nees]

We don’t know for sure if he’s fallen out of favour yet. We might need to reevaluate in 6 weeks.

Bevo revealed a stress reaction in his femur but you just never know whether that’s the real reason or Bevo is just using it as an excuse to not pick him.

Bevo didn’t shy away from saying Daniel was left out on form so I don’t think he’d cover for Macrae. If he’s really not in the first 26 (which seems absurd) I think he would say so.