Strategy Trade and List management Thread Part 6 (opposition supporters - READ posting rules before posting)

[dogwatch]

If he wasn’t Jack’s brother, nobody here would be discussing him

Half-brother I think.

If we were to get him I'd be hoping they share all the good footy genes that Jackson has, but that Finn has some fast-twitch genes that Jack doesn't!

 

[dergert]

You obviously haven't watched a lot of VFL this year, as he took his game to the next level. Really improved on his running tank, ground ball work and tackling. The one key area he really does need to work on is his kicking but he's easily been one of the best AFL listed players in the VFL this season.

I'm not saying he's a perfect fit for us but he would walk into the best 23 of more than a handful of sides.

Macrae would be player no 1 I want to get this trade period.

He and Marra had great chemistry in their underage sides.

 

[_Cerberus_]

You obviously haven't watched a lot of VFL this year, as he took his game to the next level. Really improved on his running tank, ground ball work and tackling. The one key area he really does need to work on is his kicking but he's easily been one of the best AFL listed players in the VFL this season.

I'm not saying he's a perfect fit for us but he would walk into the best 23 of more than a handful of sides.

Will be surprised if we move for him. Club seems sure on wanting to invest in more speed and kicking skills in the MID across the off-season. We need players that can hurt opposition teams, not more accumulating workhorses. I'd be all for taking him for a late pick. Could even replace his brother eventually. But I wouldn't be going all out and giving up heaps for him, unless he has pace and is an elite kick.

 

[Northernsoul74]

You obviously haven't watched a lot of VFL this year, as he took his game to the next level. Really improved on his running tank, ground ball work and tackling. The one key area he really does need to work on is his kicking but he's easily been one of the best AFL listed players in the VFL this season.

I'm not saying he's a perfect fit for us but he would walk into the best 23 of more than a handful of sides.

You’ve hardly described a “jet”? I don’t mind him but a jet is not remotely accurate of him. He’s neither quick nor explosive.

 

[Northernsoul74]

Will be surprised if we move for him. Club seems sure on wanting to invest in more speed and kicking skills in the MID across the off-season. We need players that can hurt opposition teams, not more accumulating workhorses. I'd be all for taking him for a late pick. Could even replace his brother eventually. But I wouldn't be going all out and giving up heaps for him, unless he has pace and is an elite kick.

Exactly, he’a not a “jet”. Far from it.

 

[Doggies7]

With Sweet likely to move on, who would we want to look at bringing in as ruck cover? Even with Lobb and Darcy, will still need a senior body in case English goes down. Maybe a Flynn from GWS?

 

[Oliver G]

You’ve hardly described a “jet”? I don’t mind him but a jet is not remotely accurate of him. He’s neither quick nor explosive.

A "jet" in Australian slang doesn't necessarily mean someone who is lightning quick, it just means someone who is performing well in one or more aspects of their game. Daniel has been described many times as a "jet" yet he is never going to win a 100m race.

Either way, Fin Macrae took his game up a notch this year, just go and look at any of Collingwood's VFL highlight reels and again I'm not saying we should necessarily go after him but his talent is being wasted in the VFL at the moment.

 

[Dale4captain]

With Sweet likely to move on, who would we want to look at bringing in as ruck cover? Even with Lobb and Darcy, will still need a senior body in case English goes down. Maybe a Flynn from GWS?

Goldy might be an option as a playing coach if we’re looking to move Martin on? Especially handy if the vets list comes into play

 

[Flags_In_The_Bag]

My mail says he's staying

Some other posters say hes leaving

I've heard we have spoken to Stewie Dew, have you heard this?

 

[doggy_dog]

Goldy might be an option as a playing coach if we’re looking to move Martin on? Especially handy if the vets list comes into play

Suspect if vet list comes in he stays at North or otherwise retires.

It might need to be a state league option tbh I don’t really see many pure backup options already on lists that would be motivated to move to us. Mostly types who would be looking for more opportunity so we don’t make sense as a destination

Ideal back up ruck situation is a guy like Kieran Strachan or Darcy Fort. Can do a job when called upon but comfortable in their role as a twos player barring injury. Lock them down for a few years on modest money, security for both parties. Sweet could be this guy but seems like he wants a real crack at senior footy which is absolutely his right

 

[Mofra]

With Sweet likely to move on, who would we want to look at bringing in as ruck cover? Even with Lobb and Darcy, will still need a senior body in case English goes down. Maybe a Flynn from GWS?

I'm big on Tom Downie from Williamstown.
Left the AFL system due to mental health, not a lack of ability. The ideal back-up ruck

 

[Mojorisin]

I'm big on Tom Downie from Williamstown.
Left the AFL system due to mental health, not a lack of ability. The ideal back-up ruck

Would be happy to give Crossley a second crack.

 

[AFDogs]

Totally irrelevant to us but gee Freo have had a lot of players request a trade out in the last 3-4 years. Has to be the most (apart from GWS) of any team doesn't it?

What's going on there?

 

[Norm De Guerre]

Good response. The only thing I would say is that we seem hellbent on dropping the ball on top of Naughton‘s head and hoping we can lock it in. That has become far too predictable to the opposition.

If it's a "lock it in" type scenario. Then it's a complete failure of a strategy given how poor we are when it comes to stopping oppositions using their defence to springboard into their attack. It's so poor that it often exposes our one paced mids when it finds them out of position and in effect bystanders to what's unfolding around them.

I dont think it's a coincidence that we tried twice to shoehorn a clearly not ready (if he ever will be) Arthur Jones in there to provide a modicum of forward pressure. I'd go as far as to say that it's actually Naughton that provides the best forward pressure i50. It's little wonder that he can miss what are on the face of it easy shots at goal. Given how hard he works.

Anyways..I wonder if its a chicken/egg type thing with Naughton.

Do we drop it on his head.

1. Because he isn't a natural forward with the repeat leading patterns of the likes of JUH?
2. Because we often resort to crab like ball movement to protect a team that isn't great on the i50 turnover?
3. Because we have a number of players who couldn't hit the water if they fell out of a boat in the middle of a lake?
4. Because his teammates know he is so good at it that it absolves them of all responsibility?
5. All of the above.
6. Other.

 

[Here we go dogs]

Could we take a punt on billing’s as a cheap wing option?

I reckon his better than anything we have currently if he gets his body right.

 

[Foxman98]

Could we take a punt on billing’s as a cheap wing option?

I reckon his better than anything we have currently if he gets his body right.

I don't hate it but think he is on good coin for the next couple seasons

 

[doggies ftw]

If it's a "lock it in" type scenario. Then it's a complete failure of a strategy given how poor we are when it comes to stopping oppositions using their defence to springboard into their attack. It's so poor that it often exposes our one paced mids when it finds them out of position and in effect bystanders to what's unfolding around them.

I dont think it's a coincidence that we tried twice to shoehorn a clearly not ready (if he ever will be) Arthur Jones in there to provide a modicum of forward pressure. I'd go as far as to say that it's actually Naughton that provides the best forward pressure i50. It's little wonder that he can miss what are on the face of it easy shots at goal. Given how hard he works.

Anyways..I wonder if its a chicken/egg type thing with Naughton.

Do we drop it on his head.

1. Because he isn't a natural forward with the repeat leading patterns of the likes of JUH?
2. Because we often resort to crab like ball movement to protect a team that isn't great on the i50 turnover?
3. Because we have a number of players who couldn't hit the water if they fell out of a boat in the middle of a lake?
4. Because his teammates know he is so good at it that it absolves them of all responsibility?
5. All of the above.
6. Other.

OG might prove me wrong here but without looking at the stats, I feel like all of our scoring and most of our entries come almost entirely from forward half turnover, not that we’re necessarily good at it relative to the league - just that’s how we play. I think this also leads to the repeat bomb entries because there’s generally 36 players in our half when we’re going inside 50.

This is how we are designed to play though for some reason, with the extremely high defensive push to lock it in - basically it leads to us grinding out long periods in the game with low scores because the balls living in our forward line but we’re unable to generate good looks, but for those minutes it protects our defence but when it does inevitably get through our defence gets pantsed for speed and they pretty much get a walk in goal.

It’s just no way for any team with high expectations to be playing. It’s dour, defensive & scared footy - you can argue it’s necessary because our list is overrated and it’s Bevos way of trying to protect a crap team - but the reason Bevo was so good in 15/16 is because he didn’t believe we were crap (when we were) and unleashed the shackles on the team to play good, attacking footy.

It’s just a weird turnaround from him and doesn’t make much sense

 

[TiAn_]

If it's a "lock it in" type scenario. Then it's a complete failure of a strategy given how poor we are when it comes to stopping oppositions using their defence to springboard into their attack. It's so poor that it often exposes our one paced mids when it finds them out of position and in effect bystanders to what's unfolding around them.

I dont think it's a coincidence that we tried twice to shoehorn a clearly not ready (if he ever will be) Arthur Jones in there to provide a modicum of forward pressure. I'd go as far as to say that it's actually Naughton that provides the best forward pressure i50. It's little wonder that he can miss what are on the face of it easy shots at goal. Given how hard he works.

Anyways..I wonder if its a chicken/egg type thing with Naughton.

Do we drop it on his head.

1. Because he isn't a natural forward with the repeat leading patterns of the likes of JUH?
2. Because we often resort to crab like ball movement to protect a team that isn't great on the i50 turnover?
3. Because we have a number of players who couldn't hit the water if they fell out of a boat in the middle of a lake?
4. Because his teammates know he is so good at it that it absolves them of all responsibility?
5. All of the above.
6. Other.

A thing I’ve noticed is Naughton’s marks on lead have declined as his defensive numbers have increased. I’m not saying there’s causation, but it’s possible the price for the focus on becoming the best defensive key forward in the game, and one of the best defensive forward generally, may have been paid in some ways by aspects of his offensive output.

 

[bullish23]

2 picks before a Croft bid is the main goal for mine.

Effectively bringing in 3 first rounders would be a great outcome.

Agree, dream result

 

[Mojorisin]

Sam Edmund is reporting Hawks have offered Ratugolea a 7 year deal worth $5 Mil. Out of their minds if true.

 

[Foxman98]

Sam Edmund is reporting Hawks have offered Ratugolea a 7 year deal worth $5 Mil. Out of their minds if true.

Can not for the life of me work out how there is such a big market for him

 

[dergert]

Could we take a punt on billing’s as a cheap wing option?

I reckon his better than anything we have currently if he gets his body right.

I'd be down for it if he isnt too expensive.

 

[Foxman98]

I'd be down for it if he isnt too expensive.

pickwise will be easy cap wise is the issue believe he is on 500k over the next 2 seasons

 

[TiAn_]

I'd be down for it if he isnt too expensive.

He’d be a big upgrade on most of our wings and half forwards.

But if we can’t afford Henry then I don’t know how we could afford Billings.

 

[Mojorisin]

I'd be down for it if he isnt too expensive.

Would much rather paton if we were looking at Saints. Was great as a lockdown small defender but Lyon is trying to play him as a wing.

He’d be a big upgrade on most of our wings and half forwards.

But if we can’t afford Henry then I don’t know how we could afford Billings.

I'd assume it would only happen if St.K were pushing him out to clear space. They'd probably want a third in that case rather the the first Fremantle want.
Billings is very Meh in my opinion though.