Strategy Trade and List Management Thread Part 7 (opposition supporters - READ posting rules before posting)

[Philthy1]

All this postering by fans is always hilarious. In the end the trade will look similar to what Clark presented.

Yep. Pick 15 and 35 values him at the equivalent of pick 8.

We got the equivalent of pick 3 for Dunkley. So, it is not far off what we will end up with.

 

[Libbaaaa]

If the Cats land Butters as well I’ll legit stop watching footy

I chose to ignore that part of it and focus on the fact he is buying houses on Essex St, Napoleon St, Argyle St and Milton St.

 

[Golden_6]

Yep. Pick 15 and 35 values him at the equivalent of pick 8.

We got the equivalent of pick 3 for Dunkley. So, it is not far off what we will end up with.

It's not 15 & 25. It's closer to 20 & 40.

Not to mention the points system is a horrible way of adjudicating draft pick value when comparing lower picks to higher picks. Not one single club would trade 15 & 35 for 8. You'd need picks 15 & 16 to even get in the conversation.

 

[Doggy]

I chose to ignore that part of it and focus on the fact he is buying houses on Essex St, Napoleon St, Argyle St and Milton St.

Don't forget the landscaper in Geelong who says he is buying property down there

 

[Foxman98]

Yep. Pick 15 and 35 values him at the equivalent of pick 8.

We got the equivalent of pick 3 for Dunkley. So, it is not far off what we will end up with.

By this logic they should just trade for pick 35/36/37 because its the same value as pick 9,

I'm sure every list manager would rather the 3 picks in the 30's then pick 10 or 11 because they have more "value" right?

 

[Chadley]

Our midfield is going to be piss poor moving forward. What are we doing to fill it?

Did Bont Adz Libba Sanders Ed retire ?

 

[Dogs Rule]

If the Cats land Butters as well I’ll legit stop watching footy

Hey, he's from Darley/Bacchus Marsh and that's only 60kms from Geelong...so he could see 'home' with a telescope.

 

[Claythesmiths]

15 & F1 are slightly overs while 15 & 35 are unders. If Geelong can find their way to getting a pick around 22ish, I think that’d be pretty reasonable, very similar to the Dunkley deal in the end.

 

[Libbaaaa]

Don't forget the landscaper in Geelong who says he is buying property down there

Not much land left down here, Armstrong Creek basically Colac.

Hey, he's from Darley/Bacchus Marsh and that's only 60kms from Geelong...so he could see 'home' with a telescope

Whitten Oval 8 km closer than Geelong than Bacchus, sorry Cats.

 

[geoffjennings79]

KWW and Sam Power

Sam Power

Age

41

Ht

190cm

Wt

82kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.7

4star

K

7.8

3star

HB

6.9

4star

M

4.2

4star

T

2.0

4star

No current season stats available

D

7.8

2star

K

3.8

2star

HB

4.0

3star

M

1.8

2star

T

1.6

4star

took Butters and SDK on a helicopter flight over the current Footscray Hospital site in Essex St earlier this week. When the new hospital opens, the old site will be developed as Disney Downunder. Butters, SDK, C.Hemsworth will all be share-holders with active roles in the entertainment aspect.

Sam Power

Sam Power

Age

41

Ht

190cm

Wt

82kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.7

4star

K

7.8

3star

HB

6.9

4star

M

4.2

4star

T

2.0

4star

No current season stats available

D

7.8

2star

K

3.8

2star

HB

4.0

3star

M

1.8

2star

T

1.6

4star

has almost confirmed the inbound picks required to make it happen
(Reports that the Mad Hatter costume is in Bevo's exact size are unable to be verified.)

All hush-hush atm, but expect it to break in the next 24-48 hours. Presser is going to be huge, apparently tentatively scheduled for 2:30pm on Saturday...

 

[Philthy1]

It's not 15 & 25. It's closer to 20 & 40.

Not to mention the points system is a horrible way of adjudicating draft pick value when comparing lower picks to higher picks. Not one single club would trade 15 & 35 for 8. You'd need picks 15 & 16 to even get in the conversation.

I agree it is a horrible way, but it is the reality of how it is done.

Pick 20 and 40 values him at the equivalent of 11.

By this logic they should just trade for pick 35/36/37 because its the same value as pick 9,

I'm sure every list manager would rather the 3 picks in the 30's then pick 10 or 11 because they have more "value" right?

Not at all, it depends on which picks are part of the deal. If we had a father / son nomination, then we maybe satisfied with that. But bot in this case.

 

[Testekill]

I rarely watch channel 7, but it was on last night when they were showing the Cats wanky Wednesday, with Hawkins at the end giving a message to Smith how good the club is, obviously put up by the network to say it. It’s just disgusting.

I mean of course, he's just reaching out to the overpaid ambassador for Cotton On as the spouse of another ambassador for Cotton On who was overpaid.

 

[Norm De Guerre]

Getting De Koning as part of the Smith deal would be so f***in good. Not just because he improves our list, but it would knock those smug c***s from down the highway down a few pegs.

And nothing coming of it will make this boards frothing at the prospect look awfully stupid when they throw it smugly back in our faces.

And this attitude is what has led us to be a feeder club.
It's got to stop. Organisations/clubs can change their fortunes by thinking and acting differently. We need to start thinking differently.

And this kind of empty rhetoric is meaningless.

Its the eye rolling stuff of team building exercises that one has to sit through in the name of lifting creativity and productivity at work.

Do you honestly believe that the club taking civil action as implied in the latest round of rumours is a viable solution. Or that this kind of thinking and acting differently would ultimately be to the clubs benefit?

As we saw last year with rumours of Beveridges demise being so far along that it was only a question of money. Coming to **** all. Or countless other examples. It doesn't take much chum in the water to get all this board into a frenzy of ridiculous wish casting hypotheticals. Like sending Smith to the PSD as some kind of line in the sand moment that will somehow stop an entire system that allows players a degree of freedom of movement when they are out of contract. When in reality all it will do is make us weaker every time we have to do it. And make no mistake once we pull that lever, there is no going back the next time it happens.

If Smith has bought property and has moved down to Belbrae or Newtown? And is working closely with Cotton-On in their HQ in North Geelong?
It’s going to be a real pain in the arse driving to Punt Road in Richmond or slightly better driving to Arden St in North Melbourne every day. Does his free agency time reset once changing clubs? Because he’ll have years to wait if this is the case
He wants to go to Geelong badly. He is not a free agent, not even a restricted free agent! We actually hold all the cards. We didn’t even have him this season, so we know what life is like. Why give him to those flogs in Geelong for peanuts? Number 7 draft pick, who we’ve nurtured, some would say babied and is in his prime now.

Thats a bold strategy when the metaphorical cards you speak of are a 2/7 hand in poker.

I’m 99% sure that Clark is a Cats supporter.

Im 99% sure that with some tinkering and shaping of later picks that this is approximately where the deal will land.

 

[Mutt]

And this kind of empty rhetoric is meaningless.

Its the eye rolling stuff of team building exercises that one has to sit through in the name of lifting creativity and productivity at work.

Do you honestly believe that the club taking civil action as implied in the latest round of rumours is a viable solution. Or that this kind of thinking and acting differently would ultimately be to the clubs benefit?

I didn't mention the potential class action at all, so it's best you address your derision elsewhere on that score.

If the club challenges Geelong to provide adequate compensation for Smith, and if they don't satisfy us we do send him to the draft, it will not be empty rhetoric! I'm not in favour of posturing and empty rhetoric - I'm in favour of fundamentally changing the way the club views its role in the competition and the relationships it has with the AFL and larger clubs.

You need to remember that we had some success with Essendon's attempts to prise Dunkley out with inadequate compensation. We continue to follow that path, wherever it may lead. The alternative is cynical resignation to being a bit player to the main actors.

Resignation and smug dismissal of everyone else's ideas might make us feel momentarily better, but they will consign us to being the competition's second-class actors.

 

[stefoid]

Geelong is committed to Smith

If the deal goes south, we risk losing a draftee that might end up as good as Smith
But Geelong risks losing Smith himself.

And in this 'nobody wins' scenario, we gain credibility in future trade negotiations, whilst geelongs reputation as a potential suitor takes a hit.

They have more at stake.

 

[Doggies_13]

With all academy/fs compromises in the draft we will end up with picks 20 & 40 which is actually laughable

Not to mention the pick going the otherway. It's crazy how much these germalists speak without thinking.

Just for context he actually mentioned pick 15 will become around pick 20 so that’s why it will need to be a second as well with a third coming back.

So he though about picks ending up later which goes to show how much he really lacks any intelligence

 

[JTCWBFC]

Smiths given us nothing in 2 years.

Any upside from here is a bonus.

Rather send him to Richmond than get bent over by the Cats & help a competitor gunning for finals while we are too.

It's pretty simple.

Make a fair offer or **** off & don't get Smith.

I hope Power sees it the same way.

 

[Doggies_13]

I agree it is a horrible way, but it is the reality of how it is done.

Pick 20 and 40 values him at the equivalent of 11.

Not at all, it depends on which picks are part of the deal. If we had a father / son nomination, then we maybe satisfied with that. But bot in this case.

They aren’t throwing up pick 15 and 35 which likely end up being 20 and 40, they are saying that but we give pick 44, likely 49 back.

So pick 12 equivalent without push back.

With push back it’s pick 17 equivalent

 

[yebach]

No it won't,

The same media ****wits had us using our first rounder in both the Bruce and Keath trades they have no ****ing idea

I agree with you re the media.

But if I'm Geelong. I do what Brisbane did and trade away their first rounder and offer the Dogs a take it or leave it deal.

 

[Foxman98]

I agree with you re the media.

But if I'm Geelong. I do what Brisbane did and trade away their first rounder and offer the Dogs a take it or leave it deal.

The problem with that is we now know how shit the take it option is so they can't use it

 

[Charlie Bucket]

And nothing coming of it will make this boards frothing at the prospect look awfully stupid when they throw it smugly back in our faces.

Yeah, not sure the Geelong Football Club give two hoots what me or others post on an anonymous online football forum.

 

[yebach]

The problem with that is we now know how shit the take it option is so they can't use it

That's my point. Brisbane did, and we caved.

 

[Philthy1]

That's my point. Brisbane did, and we caved.

But we also put a bid in at the draft on Fletcher as a FU to the Bears.

 

[threenewpadlocks]

Brisbane practically couldn't offer any more than they did, once they had manipulated for points for Ashcroft/Fletcher.

Dogs fans also like to rewrite history about the fact that their F1 was not worth that much at the time for the trade - Brisbane were always likely to make finals at the time, especially as they were literally adding Dunkley to their team to make it stronger, but you had to add in the unlikely but possible scenario that they would collapse in a heap (Daniher does a knee, cultural issues at the club, they just for whatever reason randomly play badly or lose games) so that pick becomes a top 10 pick. The fact that they made the grand final was a better outcome than them than both the Dogs and Brisbane would have realistically predicted for the outcome of their GF.

Not sure this idea that we were the ones to cave, not Brisbane, came from. I think they paid a reasonable amount in that trade, especially as Dunkley is not playing to the same level at Brisbane as he did for us, had we known that might have been his form at the Dogs if he stayed, we would have been more willing to make that trade.

 

[yebach]

Brisbane practically couldn't offer any more than they did, once they had manipulated for points for Ashcroft/Fletcher.

Dogs fans also like to rewrite history about the fact that their F1 was not worth that much at the time for the trade - Brisbane were always likely to make finals at the time, especially as they were literally adding Dunkley to their team to make it stronger, but you had to add in the unlikely but possible scenario that they would collapse in a heap (Daniher does a knee, cultural issues at the club, they just for whatever reason randomly play badly or lose games) so that pick becomes a top 10 pick. The fact that they made the grand final was a better outcome than them than both the Dogs and Brisbane would have realistically predicted for the outcome of their GF.

Not sure this idea that we were the ones to cave, not Brisbane, came from. I think they paid a reasonable amount in that trade, especially as Dunkley is not playing to the same level at Brisbane as he did for us, had we known that might have been his form at the Dogs if he stayed, we would have been more willing to make that trade.

I think you're the one rewriting history. It was a s**t deal at the time.
Remember what Essendope offered only a year earlier. He went on to bin our B&F and was our second best midfielder behind Bont.