Strategy Trade and List Management Thread Part 7 (opposition supporters - READ posting rules before posting)

[Dog 36]

6 year offer to SDK from the Dogs

Dogs selling the idea of him, Buss and JOD as the next pillars of our defence

Well the stars are lining up as Number 11 becomes available at the Kennel

Terry DK number I think.

 

[Libbaaaa]

Well the stars are lining up as Number 11 becomes available at the Kennel

Terry DK number I think.

Okay I'm sold, when is the press conference?

 

[adogsfan5]

6 year offer to SDK from the Dogs

Dogs selling the idea of him, Buss and JOD as the next pillars of our defence

That’s so sexy.

 

[ossie_21]

I’m all for SDK. Then in 12 months, TDK can come in as our number 1 ruck.

Do a Geelong over Geelong, inject it into my veins

 

[adogsfan5]

Literally sets our defence up for the next 8-10 years.

 

[Foxman98]

Literally sets our defence up for the next 8-10 years.

KPF - Naughton (24) Ugle-Hagan (22) Darcy (21)
KPD - De Koning (23) Busslinger (20) O'Donnell (22)

Stuff dreams are made of

 

[Charlie Bucket]

6 year offer to SDK from the Dogs

Dogs selling the idea of him, Buss and JOD as the next pillars of our defence

 

[bobs head soup]

Baz still not nominating Geelong is starting to get interesting given all the brouhaha.

Wonder if a StKilda or Essendon waded in with a big offer at this point, what could happen?

 

[Boyd oh Boyd]

Baz still not nominating Geelong is starting to get interesting given all the brouhaha.

Wonder if a StKilda or Essendon waded in with a big offer at this point, what could happen?

I doubt anything's changed, his manager has probably just told him to keep his head down for a few days and let the heat die down first.

 

[Ash1337]

SDK will slot straight in over JOD. JOD needs to spend more time learning his craft as he was thrown into the seniors in less than 3 months getting on the list with close to no experience except juniors before moving to cricket.

 

[GetDimmaBack]

Baz still not nominating Geelong is starting to get interesting given all the brouhaha.

Wonder if a StKilda or Essendon waded in with a big offer at this point, what could happen?

Would be lovely to watch all the Cats nuffies going, "...meh. Never wanted him anyway", if that happened

 

[Mojorisin]

I doubt anything's changed, his manager has probably just told him to keep his head down for a few days and let the heat die down first.

Exactly this. He has been put in his box from Connors.

 

[GetDimmaBack]

Exactly this. He has been put in his box from Connors.

Wonder if Baz's actions have put enough heat on Geelong that trading him in now will cause serious trouble for their "arrangements" with Cotton On and others...

Might they be scared off enough to back out?

I'd reckon the other 16 clubs would be cheering that on!

 

[Struggle]

Baz still not nominating Geelong is starting to get interesting given all the brouhaha.

Wonder if a StKilda or Essendon waded in with a big offer at this point, what could happen?

Swans to swoop in Buddy style

 

[lachy]

SDK will slot straight in over JOD. JOD needs to spend more time learning his craft as he was thrown into the seniors in less than 3 months getting on the list with close to no experience except juniors before moving to cricket.
Yes he would. However, though we have put a significant offer to him, as we have to others in the past, there are many reasons why these deals do not come to fruition that the club does not have control over.

Until a deal is done, there is nothing really to get excited about other than confirmation the club is not run by dummies as some on this board appear to beleive

 

[bobs head soup]

I doubt anything's changed, his manager has probably just told him to keep his head down for a few days and let the heat die down first.

I'd say it's 99% he still gets to Geelong, but even if one or 2 other clubs have a late crack, it at least forces Geelong to work harder to satisfy us quicker.

 

[DiamondDogs8]

Would be rapt with SDK. Interesting links with O’Halloran, almost felt inevitable at some point. Maybe our recruiting strategy is family members of former players.

 

[Foxman98]

Would be rapt with SDK. Interesting links with O’Halloran, almost felt inevitable at some point. Maybe our recruiting strategy is family members of former players.

We don't need Georgiades though? Phillipou though would be handy

 

[_Cerberus_]

Would be rapt with SDK. Interesting links with O’Halloran, almost felt inevitable at some point. Maybe our recruiting strategy is family members of former players.

The Dogs recruiting team pitch.

 

[redmania]

I doubt anything's changed, his manager has probably just told him to keep his head down for a few days and let the heat die down first.

That advice went well with him slappinh an insta video pretending to box whilst nursing a semi.

 

[Northernsoul74]

Is Bailey Smith

3

Bailey Smith

Age

24

Ht

185cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

18.3

5star

K

8.5

3star

HB

9.8

5star

M

2.3

2star

T

3.8

5star

CL

2.7

4star

D

19.8

5star

K

9.6

4star

HB

10.2

5star

M

1.8

2star

T

3.2

4star

CL

3.2

4star

D

14.8

4star

K

7.6

3star

HB

7.2

5star

M

2.0

3star

T

3.4

5star

CL

1.6

4star

holding off nominating because the Cotton-On investigation has legs?

 

[Libbaaaa]

Is Bailey Smith holding off nominating because the Cotton-On investigation has legs?

Cats and his management probably told him to just wait a few days.

 

[threenewpadlocks]

Made this point a few times but keep in mind that Smith would get band 1 compensation if he was a free agent (pick 13 after the pick 12 we traded to GC).

Geelong are offering that less in a trade.

Players are only eligible for free agency after 8 years. That's been decided after working with the AFLPA (part of the CBA), the clubs, the AFL themselves running a fair comp, to balance all interests of competitive balance, but individual freedom not to be tied to a club, the draft having some meaning of being able to keep good players you draft for a majority of your career etc.

Geelong are just pissing that all down the drain in terms of fairness and how these structures are balanced against each other.

If it makes more sense that you'd rather work against your own club's interest to allow free agency to come earlier in a player's career (6 years, not 8, in the case of Smith) because you'd get a better draft pick than what's being offered in a trade, sorry, the trade offer is not enough.

In theory, why shouldn't we just walk to the AFL, just say to them "should we treat Bailey Smith

3

Bailey Smith

Age

24

Ht

185cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

18.3

5star

K

8.5

3star

HB

9.8

5star

M

2.3

2star

T

3.8

5star

CL

2.7

4star

D

19.8

5star

K

9.6

4star

HB

10.2

5star

M

1.8

2star

T

3.2

4star

CL

3.2

4star

D

14.8

4star

K

7.6

3star

HB

7.2

5star

M

2.0

3star

T

3.4

5star

CL

1.6

4star

like you are Josh Battle

26

Josh Battle

Age

26

Ht

193cm

Wt

93kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.9

3star

K

9.0

3star

HB

3.9

3star

M

5.0

5star

T

2.4

4star

MG

196.8

3star

D

11.0

3star

K

7.3

3star

HB

3.8

3star

M

4.0

4star

T

1.8

3star

MG

142.8

3star

D

10.8

3star

K

6.2

3star

HB

4.6

4star

M

3.4

4star

T

2.0

4star

MG

175.6

3star

, pretend that he's been in the league 8 years, not 6, and get the compensation".

Of course we can't, because in theory that Smith is tied to the club more, not having reached 8 years at the club after being drafted, than a player out of contract out of 8 years. That either manifests itself in trades that are more generous (as you don't get a full career's worth), like a Cerra type, or the players not bothering to make such an effort, and just waiting until they are a free agent (like a Ben McKay

32

Ben Mckay

Age

27

Ht

202cm

Wt

104kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

7.5

2star

K

3.7

1star

HB

3.8

3star

M

2.7

3star

T

1.7

4star

MG

77.2

1star

D

7.5

2star

K

4.5

2star

HB

3.0

2star

M

2.5

3star

T

1.5

2star

MG

88.5

2star

D

7.0

2star

K

3.4

2star

HB

3.6

3star

M

2.4

3star

T

2.0

4star

MG

67.8

1star

type).

Cotton On shenanigans aside, you can see why we're so pissed off at the structures the way it does, because ultimately it boils down to a big club in Geelong bullying us. It might be more honest to bring forward free agency of out-of-contract players form 8 to 6 or 4 years or whatever, it may not provide any meaning to drafting a good player, but at least the whole system would be more transparent and clubs would operate more honestly with each other if that was the case.

Stepping back a bit philosophically, it's all because Smith had no patience and a massive ego, and didn't want to accept that maybe, in fairness, the systems and the competition are bigger than him, and he should wait until he's a free agent.

 

[King Harold]

Made this point a few times but keep in mind that Smith would get band 1 compensation if he was a free agent (pick 13 after the pick 12 we traded to GC).

Geelong are offering that less in a trade.

Players are only eligible for free agency after 8 years. That's been decided after working with the AFLPA (part of the CBA), the clubs, the AFL themselves running a fair comp, to balance all interests of competitive balance, but individual freedom not to be tied to a club, the draft having some meaning of being able to keep good players you draft for a majority of your career etc.

Geelong are just pissing that all down the drain in terms of fairness and how these structures are balanced against each other.

If it makes more sense that you'd rather work against your own club's interest to allow free agency to come earlier in a player's career (6 years, not 8, in the case of Smith) because you'd get a better draft pick than what's being offered in a trade, sorry, the trade offer is not enough.

In theory, why shouldn't we just walk to the AFL, just say to them "should we treat Bailey Smith like you are Josh Battle, pretend that he's been in the league 8 years, not 6, and get the compensation".

Of course we can't, because in theory that Smith is tied to the club more, not having reached 8 years at the club after being drafted, than a player out of contract out of 8 years. That either manifests itself in trades that are more generous (as you don't get a full career's worth), like a Cerra type, or the players not bothering to make such an effort, and just waiting until they are a free agent (like a Ben McKay type).

Cotton On shenanigans aside, you can see why we're so pissed off at the structures the way it does, because ultimately it boils down to a big club in Geelong bullying us. It might be more honest to bring forward free agency of out-of-contract players form 8 to 6 or 4 years or whatever, it may not provide any meaning to drafting a good player, but at least the whole system would be more transparent and clubs would operate more honestly with each other if that was the case.

Stepping back a bit philosophically, it's all because Smith had no patience and a massive ego, and didn't want to accept that maybe, in fairness, the systems and the competition are bigger than him, and he should wait until he's a free agent.

You have demonstrated the stark reality of a flawed system.
Currently it relies on the goodwill of all clubs to work out a fair deal.

I won’t condemn Geelong at this point, I expect something will be worked out.

 

[Charlie Bucket]

Getting De Koning as part of the Smith deal would be so f***in good. Not just because he improves our list, but it would knock those smug c***s from down the highway down a few pegs.