Strategy Trade and List Management Thread Part 7 (opposition supporters - READ posting rules before posting)

[weltschmerz]

Boyd training with St Kilda.

 

[Doggy]

Boyd training with St Kilda.

Meh. I think Brew would be better for us for standards, and tackling pressure which is often non existent

 

[Bulldogs85]

Jesus! that is a massive wrap from Campbell Brown.
Says Brew is a competitive beast unlike anyone he has ever seen including players like Hodge and Mitchell!

First thing I thought when I watched it

 

[DognBones]

First thing I thought when I watched it

Looking at his highlights he is a tackling maniac. Should be playing rugby.

 

[stefoid]

Send Brew out there to just tackle blokes all day, non stop, even that would make a massive difference. Can't underestimate the value of a hardnosed tackling machine in your midfield and what that does for the rest of the team.

well, we do have libba

 

[dogwatch]

Can someone explain how the SSP/train-on thing works?

Specifically:

• When can we apply to add the player to our list (is it just between 3-28 Feb? I think last year there were 2 periods)
• Do we have exclusive rights to the player training with us (Dom Brew in this case) or can another club just snap him up?
• If the latter, who gets first dibs on the player? Is there a draft order, or is it done some other way, e.g. whoever lodges the paperwork first?
• Can the player switch to another club during the train-on period?
• How many train-on players can we have? My understanding from previous years is that it's a maximum of two per available list spot, but in 2024 we chose to have only one, Lachie Bramble.

 

[TiAn_]

Can someone explain how the SSP/train-on thing works?

Specifically:

• When can we apply to add the player to our list (is it just between 3-28 Feb? I think last year there were 2 periods)
• Do we have exclusive rights to the player training with us (Dom Brew in this case) or can another club just snap him up?
• If the latter, who gets first dibs on the player? Is there a draft order, or is it done some other way, e.g. whoever lodges the paperwork first?
• Can the player switch to another club during the train-on period?
• How many train-on players can we have? My understanding from previous years is that it's a maximum of two per available list spot, but in 2024 we chose to have only one, Lachie Bramble.

Train-on players are still able to sign with any club with an open list spot, but given the AFL club they’re training with is investing the time in them and paying them to train, it seems to be an unofficial first right of refusal situation. You’re correct that clubs can have 2 train-on players per vacant list spot.

The SSP signing periods this pre-season are:

- Monday, November 25, 2024 – Thursday, December 19, 2024

- Monday, January 13, 2025 – Friday, February 21, 2025

 

[Foxman98]

Meh. I think Brew would be better for us for standards, and tackling pressure which is often non existent

Agree think he will be huge for Sanders/Garcia types setting standards

 

[Rookie]

Boyd training with St Kilda.

Dammit

 

[TiAn_]

Dammit

Makes sense for him. More likely to get AFL games at the Saints.

 

[Freshwater]

Get Brew on the list ASAP! He is exactly what this semi timid list needs. He’s also a leader of men. He’s the Joel Selwood of the VFL. Even if he didn’t play too many games, he has the inner competitive spirit that premiership teams/squads need.
When I see McNeill nervous as hell kicking set shots and Vandermeer very similar, but his shots may be in play, I think these lads are too young and not hardened enough to be premiership players, they’ll get there in the end if they’re good enough, preferably in the VFL not the seniors. Some kids you need to unleash, others need time ant VFL level. McNeill and VDM have been gifted too many games at their stage of development. Brew is peaking now, get him on the list and give him a go, it couldn’t be any worse than the other lads and probably much better.

 

[glenashley]

Train-on players are still able to sign with any club with an open list spot, but given the AFL club they’re training with is investing the time in them and paying them to train, it seems to be an unofficial first right of refusal situation. You’re correct that clubs can have 2 train-on players per vacant list spot.

The SSP signing periods this pre-season are:

- Monday, November 25, 2024 – Thursday, December 19, 2024

- Monday, January 13, 2025 – Friday, February 21, 2025

I'm assuming they need to have missed being drafted otherwise someone can just ignore the draft and train on with a preferred club?

 

[weltschmerz]

I'm assuming they need to have missed being drafted otherwise someone can just ignore the draft and train on with a preferred club?

Players who've recently been delisted can skip nominating for the draft and be signed directly, I believe that's what we did with Oskar Baker.

 

[Bulldogs85]

Players who've recently been delisted can skip nominating for the draft and be signed directly, I believe that's what we did with Oskar Baker.

Club did it with both Barker and Bramble

 

[dogwatch]

Club did it with both Barker and Bramble

Hmmm … Baker, Bramble, Brew, Bulldogs, Bontempelli, Beveridge…

The pattern was there staring me in the face the whole time and I didn’t see it.

Silly bunt.

 

[ossie_21]

Hmmm … Baker, Bramble, Brew, Bulldogs, Bontempelli, Beveridge…

The pattern was there staring me in the face the whole time and I didn’t see it.

Silly bunt.

Classic bogwatch

 

[fred cook]

Get Brew on the list ASAP! He is exactly what this semi timid list needs. That should be our motto in 2025. A timid list we are no more

 

[threenewpadlocks]

Gonna pour some ice on the love-in. The bloke deserves his chance to train in an AFL pre-season, but unathletic, moderately skilled ball-winners are have been around forever in state leagues. Look up Mitch Grigg's SANFL stat's after he was delisted by Adelaide. Ben Jolley became a VFL legend but it wasn't exactly an incorrect decision that he wasn't given another AFL chance.

I'm glad we're the team that gave him his opportunity - in a more general sense I believe that mature-aged talent continues to be overlooked for the flashy new 18 year old - but it can't be both true that what everyone saying here is correct and 18 clubs overlooked him with 100 list spots free in the most recent drafts.

 

[St 07]

Get Brew on the list ASAP! His passion and intensity will lift his teammates

 

[bobs head soup]

I've never seen Brew play. I like a lot of what I read, but part of me thinks it feels eerily similar to Robbie McComb.

 

[Doggy]

I've never seen Brew play. I like a lot of what I read, but part of me thinks it feels eerily similar to Robbie McComb.

If McComb had more passion, talent and could tackle, sure

 

[dogwatch]

I've never seen Brew play. I like a lot of what I read, but part of me thinks it feels eerily similar to Robbie McComb.

Brew has a head start on McComb in that he has won a JJ Liston Medal.
Not that the Liston has been a guarantee of success over the years. Some have become good AFL players but a lot didn't.

 

[Dogs Rule]

Gonna pour some ice on the love-in. The bloke deserves his chance to train in an AFL pre-season, but unathletic, moderately skilled ball-winners are have been around forever in state leagues. Look up Mitch Grigg's SANFL stat's after he was delisted by Adelaide. Ben Jolley became a VFL legend but it wasn't exactly an incorrect decision that he wasn't given another AFL chance.

I'm glad we're the team that gave him his opportunity - in a more general sense I believe that mature-aged talent continues to be overlooked for the flashy new 18 year old - but it can't be both true that what everyone saying here is correct and 18 clubs overlooked him with 100 list spots free in the most recent drafts.

The way I look at it is - what have we got to lose?

We put him on the list and he's replicates his form and takes it to a new level worst case is he plays for Footscray and his leadership and professionalism does wonders for the kids.

 

[dergert]

I've never seen Brew play. I like a lot of what I read, but part of me thinks it feels eerily similar to Robbie McComb.

I thought that too but I watched a few of his games- in particular this years grand final. Southport had it on their terms in the first half but Brew (with a few others) wrestled it back literally. As long as Bevo doesn't play him on a hff or as a small forward he should be right.

 

[Rookie]

The way I look at it is - what have we got to lose?

We put him on the list and he's replicates his form and takes it to a new level worst case is he plays for Footscray and his leadership and professionalism does wonders for the kids.

I like the idea of Dom Brew, but we lose the opportunity cost of using that list spot on another player, which is especially pertinent if we end up needing something else (e.g. a backup ruck, for rucks sake!).

We should be pushing for a top four spot and challenging for a flag, it would be disastrously stupid to reach a final and then suddenly need to pull our 2025 AA CHB Lobb from defense or disrupt Darcy in the forward line to cover an English injury, or or lose a final because a Darcy Fort type towels up Lachie Smith.