Mega Thread Trade/Draft/Delist SuperMegaUltrathread - 2016/17 offseason edition

[RookiePick]

None of which matters if we get blasted off the park every time we run into a strong, contested midfield.

If JK can't get his hands on the footy when our midfield gets towelled up what makes us think Lobb will be able to?

Don't get me wrong, I'm not anti-Lobb - he will be a player. I am however pro-fix the midfield first. There will be an opportunity cost in getting a Lobb or a Hogan type that will not move us closer to a premiership.

 

[eagles rule]

When GWS finish its final campaign I'm expecting Lobb to opt out of GWS ..


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[swooshacummings]

I'm not one who's been bagging Hill but I wouldn't have thought there's much point in comparing the two of them. Kind of like comparing Hogan to Cripps. They're very different players who'd be filling very different positions.

As a ruck/forward I'd say Lobb would be behind only Jenkins and Ben Brown this year. There's certainly a spot for him next year with NicNat out, Lycett in doubt and Giles our only other ruck. The question is whether he, NicNat and Lycett can all fit into the side in 2018 but I think with Kennedy retiring at some point there's room for him as a permanent forward.

Personally wouldn't like to see us pursue Lobb until our midfield deficit is addressed.

Secondly, if we were in the market for a JJK replacement I would prefer someone equally capable of applying forward pressure. As a ruck, Lobb is also only really serviceable.

Hill is the comparison because that is most likely who goes out of the side once Nic Nat returns.

Lobb doesn't kick enough goals, apply enough pressure, ruck as well as Nic or Scott and and doesn't exude flexibility.

Show me a midfielder ala Swallow or Martin or even Cripps and I would happily accept the type of ******* eagle circle jerk elation attributed to Lobb.

Lobb will not replace JJK in the next 3 years and only complicates our structure.

 

[westoz]

None of which matters if we get blasted off the park every time we run into a strong, contested midfield.

If JK can't get his hands on the footy when our midfield gets towelled up what makes us think Lobb will be able to?

Don't get me wrong, I'm not anti-Lobb - he will be a player. I am however pro-fix the midfield first. There will be an opportunity cost in getting a Lobb or a Hogan type that will not move us closer to a premiership.

Imo you take the best available talent that wants to come home to WA.
If thats Lobb and Hogan then we must make a huge play for them,JK is
30 next season and we dont know how NN will come back from his knee injury nor Lycett for that matter.

Recruiting isnt just restricted to getting one type of player.
Yep we do need mids and ready made mids at that,if they are out there and on the move then chase them.

Hawthorn picked up defenders when noone thought they needed them,look at WB with all the tall forwards they have got now they want Cloke and as an outsider you would probably be thinking what for?

Point is if we get that fixated on mids only and dont get me wrong we do need them then the rest of the comp will leave us behind.
Id like to see us trying to recruit the best possible talent that is on the move particuarly those wanting to come back home.

 

[Coasters74]

So you are conceding we aren't getting near a flag before JK and NN are done?

I think we have a flag capable spine right here and now. We need midfielders to fix our area of glaring weakness and hopefully a crumbing type forward to add to our forward dynamic. Getting Lobb will likely cost us opportunity to address these areas before it's too late.

The problem with fixing the midfield is even if we trade in ready made mids it might still take a full season to get them up to speed with the gameplan etc, look at redden and jetta this year. We're almost better off hoping our current mids can step it up next year to win a premiership while jk, hurn, nic etc are still around, go to the draft this year for future midfielders, have a crack at hogan next year, then we're also set up for years after. If sheed Duggan partington redden step it up, we aren't in as bad a shape as it looks. The midfield has the chance to peak at exactly the right time. There are probably only a few spots that need upgrading, everyone else just needs a full preseason and to get the confidence up. We've shown on our day we can match it with the best. It's all psycological

 

[Figure09]

The problem with fixing the midfield is even if we trade in ready made mids it might still take a full season to get them up to speed with the gameplan etc, look at redden and jetta this year. We're almost better off hoping our current mids can step it up next year to win a premiership while jk, hurn, nic etc are still around, go to the draft this year for future midfielders, have a crack at hogan next year, then we're also set up for years after. If sheed Duggan partington redden step it up, we aren't in as bad a shape as it looks. The midfield has the chance to peak at exactly the right time. There are probably only a few spots that need upgrading, everyone else just needs a full preseason and to get the confidence up. We've shown on our day we can match it with the best. It's all psycological

and what did dangerfield take one year did he?

 

[RookiePick]

Imo you take the best available talent that wants to come home to WA.
...

Unless they have baggage like Bennell

I think you make some valid points but if we want a flag in the next 2-3 years it's not our talls holding us back.

 

[Xsess]

Every offseason we seem to forget how shit our midfield really is and/or overestimate the potential for those earmarked for midfield duties to improve. We've got a great forward line and the potential to add McGovern to it. Our ruck's can make do (especially if Lycett starts round 1 next season) our defence is fine - but our midfield will keep killing us unless we inject quality.

 

[swooshacummings]

The problem with fixing the midfield is even if we trade in ready made mids it might still take a full season to get them up to speed with the gameplan etc, look at redden and jetta this year. We're almost better off hoping our current mids can step it up next year to win a premiership while jk, hurn, nic etc are still around, go to the draft this year for future midfielders, have a crack at hogan next year, then we're also set up for years after. If sheed Duggan partington redden step it up, we aren't in as bad a shape as it looks. The midfield has the chance to peak at exactly the right time. There are probably only a few spots that need upgrading, everyone else just needs a full preseason and to get the confidence up. We've shown on our day we can match it with the best. It's all psycological

We are talking really good midfielders that can adapt on instict. I don't subscribe to the game plan complexity myth. It's football not military offensive strategic planning

 

[ziad]

When GWS finish its final campaign I'm expecting Lobb to opt out of GWS ..


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Take the medal and run you are thinking?

 

[ziad]

and what did dangerfield take one year did he?

I expect he will be better in 17 after he settles in

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

None of which matters if we get blasted off the park every time we run into a strong, contested midfield.

If JK can't get his hands on the footy when our midfield gets towelled up what makes us think Lobb will be able to?

Don't get me wrong, I'm not anti-Lobb - he will be a player. I am however pro-fix the midfield first. There will be an opportunity cost in getting a Lobb or a Hogan type that will not move us closer to a premiership.

If that opportunity cost is pick 12 and something else like MacKenzie then I don't think that's going to cost us the chance to fix our midfield. Pick 12 would probably get us a decent player but not an elite midfielder - look at Duggan and Sheed who were both taken at 11.

If the opportunity cost was getting Lobb ahead of an established mid like Coniglio then I'd agree with you. Short of Swallow (dependent on his knees) I don't think that opportunity is there this year.

If Swallow decides he wants to come home and if the tests on his knees come back OK then I'd definitely prefer chasing him to chasing Lobb.

 

[swooshacummings]

Imo you take the best available talent that wants to come home to WA.
If thats Lobb and Hogan then we must make a huge play for them,JK is
30 next season and we dont know how NN will come back from his knee injury nor Lycett for that matter.

Recruiting isnt just restricted to getting one type of player.
Yep we do need mids and ready made mids at that,if they are out there and on the move then chase them.

Hawthorn picked up defenders when noone thought they needed them,look at WB with all the tall forwards they have got now they want Cloke and as an outsider you would probably be thinking what for?

Point is if we get that fixated on mids only and dont get me wrong we do need them then the rest of the comp will leave us behind.
Id like to see us trying to recruit the best possible talent that is on the move particuarly those wanting to come back home.

I would argue that Hawthorn won premierships because they knew what they needed ala Dew and Guerra.

Lake and Frawley.

We clearly need midfielders. As Dunstall has stated, ruckman are overrated

 

[Farang83150]

Who are the quality mids on the table at the mo?

 

[Biggie]

West Coast Eagles ‏@WestCoastEagles 3m3 minutes agoPerth, Western Australia
"They don't let me in on trade committee, but we want to build long term solutions, we're not interested in short term fixes." -Alan Cransberg on trades

 

[truman]

So you are conceding we aren't getting near a flag before JK and NN are done?

I think we have a flag capable spine right here and now. We need midfielders to fix our area of glaring weakness and hopefully a crumbing type forward to add to our forward dynamic. Getting Lobb will likely cost us opportunity to address these areas before it's too late.

Where did you get that from? I'm saying Lobb would provide both short and long term benefits. If that means that I'm conceding we won't get a flag with JK and NN, then yes I am.

 

[eaglesnutcase]

I would suggest the retention rate of quality players has been immaculate.

Shiel
Coniglio
Smith
Cameron
Ward
Patton

Those players have all been retained, comparatively they have lost Treloar, Boyd and Tom Dyson being of any note. Treloar would be behind, Ward Shiel, Griffen, Coniglio and arguably Smith Scully and Whitfield at a stretch. Tyson above all the previously mentioned Boyd is behind Cameron, Patton and Lobbe. McCarthy if goes you could argue could be in front of Patton at his best, that's a massive unknown as of now. If / when Lobbe leaves that may leave them slightly thin for KPF talent in the short term.

None of the 6 players at Carlton would be challenging for B22 spots and most last year were given away because they had to reduce list size so having a higher attrition rate is unavoidable. For the most part they haven't lost any great talent and if they have they have gotten rewarded well especially in the case of Treloar, to replace them in a few years.

Boyd behind Cameron and Patton??? are you serious????

 

[Eaglemaniac]

West Coast Eagles ‏@WestCoastEagles 3m3 minutes agoPerth, Western Australia
"They don't let me in on trade committee, but we want to build long term solutions, we're not interested in short term fixes." -Alan Cransberg on trades

Long term solutions to houses in Vietnam maybe..

 

[Xsess]

Who are the quality mids on the table at the mo?

Petrie, Ballantine, Wells and Lobb

 

[nameless]

Who are the quality mids on the table at the mo?

Top 5:
Prestia - wants to go to Richmond
JOM - Hawks
Swallow - North
T. Mitchell - Hawks
Hill - Freo

Not sure if there are any others of genuine quality who have openly requested or looking very likely to be traded?

 

[swooshacummings]

Boyd behind Cameron and Patton??? are you serious????

Absolutely behind Cameron and Patton

 

[truman]

If that opportunity cost is pick 12 and something else like MacKenzie then I don't think that's going to cost us the chance to fix our midfield. Pick 12 would probably get us a decent player but not an elite midfielder - look at Duggan and Sheed who were both taken at 11.

If the opportunity cost was getting Lobb ahead of an established mid like Coniglio then I'd agree with you. Short of Swallow (dependent on his knees) I don't think that opportunity is there this year.

If Swallow decides he wants to come home and if the tests on his knees come back OK then I'd definitely prefer chasing him to chasing Lobb.

Aren't these two players both considered our best midfield prospects? Even if pick 12 is not likely to fix our midfield, by trading it out we are certainly risking sustaining high level performance 3-6 years from now. Recruiting must be a damn tough job! Making the right decision must be tough

 

[ziad]

Absolutely behind Cameron and Patton

definitely

 

[swooshacummings]

Top 5:
Prestia - wants to go to Richmond
JOM - Hawks
Swallow - North
T. Mitchell - Hawks
Hill - Freo

Not sure if there are any others of genuine quality who have openly requested or looking very likely to be traded?

Perhaps we haven't been committed enough. These wantaway players are no different from most attractive girls, they will gravitate to the perks of life and default to the material gain, status of pay and demi god hero worship.

If these WA mids aren't coming home it is much more plausible to assert that WC isn't trying hard enough!!!!

 

[RookiePick]

Top 5:
Prestia - wants to go to Richmond
JOM - Hawks
Swallow - North
T. Mitchell - Hawks
Hill - Freo

Not sure if there are any others of genuine quality who have openly requested or looking very likely to be traded?

Mitchell or Prestia would have been good.

JOM and Swallow are high risk and brad Hill wouldn't even be the best Hill on our list if we got him.