Mega Thread Trade/Draft/Delist SuperMegaUltrathread - 2016/17 offseason edition

[The Dodger]

just mids I think

Ok. I think Stringer plays about as much mid as Picken does these days, but fair enough.

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

Yeo didn't come on this season which was disappointing but you have to be blind if you can't see that he has the tools to be a very damaging player. Our player development has been extremely suspect for some time and we have no excuse as a club with a financial position that does not preclude us for seeking and attracting the best back room staff.*

Yeo has shown SOME of the tools that can make him a damaging players.
1. He has flexibility to play tall and mid size.
2. He has great burst speed
3. He is very strong overhead.
4. Pretty good at weaving through traffic

What is missing IMHO is
1. A football brain
2. Accuracy by foot
3. Temperament in front of goals to stop filling his shorts
4. Endurance
5. Heart - does not show a lot of passion and lacks accountability (possibly linked to lack of a tank)

So over the summer, Simpson needs to sit with Yeo and get him to believe in his role at the club and get him to commit to a position. Unless tank and goal kicking improve, he is destined for the backline.

 

[DanWCE]

got the football brain to particularly good

And that my friends, is a brain fart!

 

[RookiePick]

Yeo has shown SOME of the tools that can make him a damaging players.
1. He has flexibility to play tall and mid size.
2. He has great burst speed
3. He is very strong overhead.
4. Pretty good at weaving through traffic

What is missing IMHO is
1. A football brain
2. Accuracy by foot
3. Temperament in front of goals to stop filling his shorts
4. Endurance
5. Heart - does not show a lot of passion and lacks accountability (possibly linked to lack of a tank)

So over the summer, Simpson needs to sit with Yeo and get him to believe in his role at the club and get him to commit to a position. Unless tank and goal kicking improve, he is destined for the backline.

Well you are talking about player development there which I have already pointed out we suck at for some reason!

I certainly agree that he needs to build his tank and I think this will have a flow on effect to his defensive running when playing as a forward.

Team wide we seem to have trouble showing "heart" when we are behind. Hopefully it doesn't prove to be an insurmountable obstacle for the coaching group to overcome.

 

[Chris_6678]

Daniel Cherny
‏@DanielCherny 4m4 minutes ago Melbourne, Victoria

Tom Petroro says he'd be very surprised if Jesse Hogan wasn't playing for Melbourne in round one next year.

I want Hogan but not at the high cost if we were to get him this year. Next year he will be cheaper so lets make a play then!

 

[nameless]

Been no issues with the decisions to trade in Redden, Wellingham and Yeo.

At the time all were the correct decision and even in hindsight you can see we haven't missed out on much.
(Even though Lobb was just after Yeo, the outcry on here of bringing in another giant ruckman would have been huge)

Just hugely unfortunate that none of these guys have been consistent or lived up to expectations.

This year appears to be a better draft and we're in a stronger draft position, so I'm hoping we get some young top end talent

 

[Double the Fist]

R WC still talking getting Balla?

I'll lose my shit if we pass up Lobb for Balla. Surely it can't happen.

Been no issues with the decisions to trade in Redden, Wellingham and Yeo.

At the time all were the correct decision and even in hindsight you can see we haven't missed out on much.
(Even though Lobb was just after Yeo, the outcry on here of bringing in another giant ruckman would have been huge)

Just hugely unfortunate that none of these guys have been consistent or lived up to expectations.

Couldn't agree more.

 

[QS]

Would anyone take Shaun Edwards from Essendon for the rookie list?northern territory boy delisted free agent 22 yrs old 189cm pace looked promising last year worth a rookie spot I reckon

If so, suddenly all the Edwards posts on this board become quite amusing

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

At the same time though FiveStrings you have to concede that at this stage a first round draft pick would have been better then Redden for the list going forward. I'm a fan of Redden and I think he'll turn it around but since you yourself stated "at the risk of injecting facts" hard to argue for the trade being a win at this early stage (Keep in mind we likely recruited Redden on the basis of him improving our list immediately).

Similarly the Wellingham trade is not looking so great either, we traded a first round pick (which could have been grundy) for one good season from Wellingham. Would not call that a win.

Still time for both but personally think we will have lost the Wellingham trade but will end up winning the Redden trade.

It could have been Grundy but it wouldn't have been. We had Cox and NicNat and had picked up Lycett two years previously, we wouldn't have used a top 20 pick on another ruck. Grundy slipped that far because other clubs didn't need a ruck or didn't want to put the years into developing a ruck, we would have been no different. The other guys around that pick haven't done enough for me to think they'd be a better option than Wellers. I'm happy with that trade.

I'm less happy with the Redden trade, mostly because we paid over the odds to get him out of his contract when we could have waited until this year and got him as a FA. He hasn't exactly shown that we needed him a year early.

 

[truman]

Been no issues with the decisions to trade in Redden, Wellingham and Yeo.

At the time all were the correct decision and even in hindsight you can see we haven't missed out on much.
(Even though Lobb was just after Yeo, the outcry on here of bringing in another giant ruckman would have been huge)

Just hugely unfortunate that none of these guys have been consistent or lived up to expectations.

This year appears to be a better draft and we're in a stronger draft position, so I'm hoping we get some young top end talent

Wouldn't call that unfortunate. At the end of the day recruiters are paid to ensure that the players they recruit do live up to expectations. Again not saying that we have made bad decisions, but I don't think the argument that it was a good decision that just hasn't worked out is valid. The only way to evaluate a trade is too use hindsight.

Having said that I do believe Yeo was an excellent decision, he is still young and I'd be very surprised if he's not one of our best in 5 years. Similarly Redden needs a preseason and is the type of player we need. I think he will turn it around but as of yet can't argue the decision has worked out thus far.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

R WC still talking getting Balla?

I'll lose my shit if we pass up Lobb for Balla. Surely it can't happen.


Couldn't agree more.

Wouldn't be a matter of passing up Lobb for Ballantyne, it would be that we couldn't extract him from GWS. Lose your shit all you want but the club isn't going to go "Nah lets not worry about that 206cm goal kicking ruck, Ballantyne is where it's at"

 

[RookiePick]

I don't get the need to rush to judgement on Redden as a player. If we get to midway through next season, he has had a good injury run and is still providing nothing then we can sharpen some knives.

Fivey makes a good point about wasting a year and consequently paying overs but if we get 3-4 good years out of him from here I would call it a successful trade.

 

[Chris_6678]

NAB Trade Radio ‏@traderadio 28s28 seconds ago


Young on Ballantyne: We've gone passed the days (of Eagles/Dockers not trading). I think they can wor me together. He wants to stay in WA

 

[ChampRevesby]

Sorry if already posted.
http://www.westcoasteagles.com.au/news/2016-09-20/hogan-on-eagles-hit-list

Not sure we need Hogan, does he play small because we need a crumbing forward more than a mark up forward.

 

[swooshacummings]

Yeo has shown SOME of the tools that can make him a damaging players.
1. He has flexibility to play tall and mid size.
2. He has great burst speed
3. He is very strong overhead.
4. Pretty good at weaving through traffic

What is missing IMHO is
1. A football brain
2. Accuracy by foot
3. Temperament in front of goals to stop filling his shorts
4. Endurance
5. Heart - does not show a lot of passion and lacks accountability (possibly linked to lack of a tank)

So over the summer, Simpson needs to sit with Yeo and get him to believe in his role at the club and get him to commit to a position. Unless tank and goal kicking improve, he is destined for the backline.

Or just play him on the hbf

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

NAB Trade Radio ‏@traderadio 28s28 seconds ago


Young on Ballantyne: We've gone passed the days (of Eagles/Dockers not trading). I think they can wor me together. He wants to stay in WA

All about what Ballantyne wants, he hasn't said anything about what WCE wants

 

[ChampRevesby]

All about what Ballantyne wants, he hasn't said anything about what WCE wants

We would be batshit crazy to pick him up. He is done.

 

[truman]

It could have been Grundy but it wouldn't have been. We had Cox and NicNat and had picked up Lycett two years previously, we wouldn't have used a top 20 pick on another ruck. Grundy slipped that far because other clubs didn't need a ruck or didn't want to put the years into developing a ruck, we would have been no different. The other guys around that pick haven't done enough for me to think they'd be a better option than Wellers. I'm happy with that trade.

I'm less happy with the Redden trade, mostly because we paid over the odds to get him out of his contract when we could have waited until this year and got him as a FA. He hasn't exactly shown that we needed him a year early.

I see where you are coming from but I think from a list point of view I'd rather have gambled with the draft pick as they would have had more years to offer. Only time will tell but thus far, I'd have preferred a Ben Kennedy, Nathan Hrovat, Kamdyn Mcintosh as they would have add much needed depth to our midfield to the one excellent year that Wellingham has given us. Still time for him to turn it around but you'd think he only has maybe 2 years left in which we can expect him to play some real good footy.

Like I said, only time will tell but I reckon at this stage I'd rather have a young midfielder like Ben Kennedy or Nathan Hrovat rather then Wellingham because even if they haven't had one good year as good Wellingham's 2015 they would have more to offer over their careers at West Coast then Wellingham unless he has a couple of strong years coming up.

 

[swooshacummings]

Wouldn't be a matter of passing up Lobb for Ballantyne, it would be that we couldn't extract him from GWS. Lose your shit all you want but the club isn't going to go "Nah lets not worry about that 206cm goal kicking ruck, Ballantyne is where it's at"

Lobb is surplus to need. Essentially kicked as many goals as Josh Hill this season and some here a bagging Hill for a down year, hypocrites much?

And no he wouldn't kick more for us because we have a better midfield, just no.

 

[eagles rule]

Well you are talking about player development there which I have already pointed out we suck at for some reason!

I certainly agree that he needs to build his tank and I think this will have a flow on effect to his defensive running when playing as a forward.

Team wide we seem to have trouble showing "heart" when we are behind. Hopefully it doesn't prove to be an insurmountable obstacle for the coaching group to overcome.

We miss that someone to take charge in the middle ,Yeo provided it briefly a few years ago .Sheed may be that guy but has been too outside relying on the outlet handball to get a possession . I think Partington can be a player that leads from the front but obviously will need time ..



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[Double the Fist]

We would be batshit crazy to pick him up. He is done.

Him and Lecca. One each.


Fair.

 

[truman]

Lobb is surplus to need. Essentially kicked as many goals as Josh Hill this season and some here a bagging Hill for a down year, hypocrites much?

But Lobb is like 5 years younger then Hill and will only get better from you going by his natural improve thus far. Safe to say Hill has peaked. Additionally Lobb would have the potential to play full forward and replace JK who is ageing (still a gun) and provides an obvious option for 2nd ruck both in the short term and in the long term when Nic Nat eventually packs it up

 

[RookiePick]

But Lobb is like 5 years younger then Hill and will only get better from you going by his natural improve thus far. Safe to say Hill has peaked. Additionally Lobb would have the potential to play full forward and replace JK who is ageing (still a gun) and provides an obvious option for 2nd ruck both in the short term and in the long term when Nic Nat eventually packs it up

So you are conceding we aren't getting near a flag before JK and NN are done?

I think we have a flag capable spine right here and now. We need midfielders to fix our area of glaring weakness and hopefully a crumbing type forward to add to our forward dynamic. Getting Lobb will likely cost us opportunity to address these areas before it's too late.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

Lobb is surplus to need. Essentially kicked as many goals as Josh Hill this season and some here a bagging Hill for a down year, hypocrites much?

And no he wouldn't kick more for us because we have a better midfield, just no.

I'm not one who's been bagging Hill but I wouldn't have thought there's much point in comparing the two of them. Kind of like comparing Hogan to Cripps. They're very different players who'd be filling very different positions.

As a ruck/forward I'd say Lobb would be behind only Jenkins and Ben Brown this year. There's certainly a spot for him next year with NicNat out, Lycett in doubt and Giles our only other ruck. The question is whether he, NicNat and Lycett can all fit into the side in 2018 but I think with Kennedy retiring at some point there's room for him as a permanent forward.

 

[Nev57]

I'm not one who's been bagging Hill but I wouldn't have thought there's much point in comparing the two of them. Kind of like comparing Hogan to Cripps. They're very different players who'd be filling very different positions.

As a ruck/forward I'd say Lobb would be behind only Jenkins and Ben Brown this year. There's certainly a spot for him next year with NicNat out, Lycett in doubt and Giles our only other ruck. The question is whether he, NicNat and Lycett can all fit into the side in 2018 but I think with Kennedy retiring at some point there's room for him as a permanent forward.

I think there would be room for Lobb,hes mobile enough to play at chf or ff with JK there as well Darling to the flank or even in the middle and of course lobb could pinch hit in the ruck until someone retires

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