List Mgmt. Trade & F/A - 2020

[Seedsfan]

Fiorini & Wright for an early 2nd round pick.

Blokes who can play at the highest level, but not given a chance.

Fiorini who can’t get a game at the suns. The last 2 years, he has averaged 25 & 22 disposals with 4.5 tackles a game.
He’s a contested beast 8.5 & 7 CPs a game.

These are the bargains we need to look for.

Don’t mind that

 

[HFF]

Seeing some of the options in here----it just has Collingwood disaster written all over it.
I'd rather just go to the draft

 

[adammania9]

Richmond’s depth puts ours to shame. The clubs are unlikely to deal with players but we have dealt picks with each other before, so it wouldn’t be entirely out of the question if we get one of their fringe players to sign. I like Aarts however don’t let his emergence fool you, he turns 26 in December. Nevertheless I think he has plenty to offer and would be an upgrade on Thomas and Cal Brown.

Stack would be very interesting as a small utility. But Hardwick has invested a lot into him, I think they’ll want to keep working on him and turning him into a star.

 

[Leviathan Pie]

Hahaha well then the Pies are a lost cause aren’t they. Writing has been on the wall for 3 years now. If they don’t recruit a KPF or 3 then we are wasting our time.

Okay G3NiUs tell me then, say we hypothetically recruit a good KPF or go to the draft. How do you presume we fit;

KPF (Brown/Dixon/draft type)
Checkers
Kelly
Elliott
JDG
Stepho
WHE
Sidebottom

Plus a pressure small forward because that would be needed with 4 guys at or over 190.

ALL IN THE SAME FORWARD LINE? Lol SFA room to move, defenders would have a day out because none of those guys apart from WHE and Sidey are leaving the 50.

I’m guessing by your Vi3w we play Stepho or WHE in the 2’s just to make sure JDG is chucked up forward, and keep running list clogger Wills through the guts because we have no depth in big bodied MIDS.

Stephenson - KPF - Elliott
De Goey - Mihocek - Hoskin-Elliott

With Sidebottom rotating through the forward when/if either Elliott or De Goey are required to spend some time there.

With Will Kelly pressing his case in the 2nd's.

....and that really wasn't hard. Essentially calling on what made us a dangerous attacking side in 2018.

There is honestly something wrong with you I think, not sure you'll last long here.

 

[Silky23]

Richmond’s depth puts ours to shame. The clubs are unlikely to deal with players but we have dealt picks with each other before, so it wouldn’t be entirely out of the question if we get one of their fringe players to sign. I like Aarts however don’t let his emergence fool you, he turns 26 in December. Nevertheless I think he has plenty to offer and would be an upgrade on Thomas and Cal Brown.

Stack would be very interesting as a small utility. But Hardwick has invested a lot into him, I think they’ll want to keep working on him and turning him into a star.

Whoever is the talent scout at Richmond, we need to hire them ASAP.

Their 2019 premiership team had 7 guys who weren't even National draft selections, and one was taken at 67.

They've picked up

Dyl Grimes (#2 pre-season draft 2010)
2015 Rookie Draft
- Short #11
- Castagna #29
- Lambert #46
- Soldo #68
- Chol #30

2018 Rookie Draft
- Baker #18
- Aarts #16

Marlion Pickett in the MID season draft too.
Sydney Stack 2019 pre season draft selection.

Simply incredible. Biggest thing is however is that they all buy into the system and the method. We have too many guys who aren't selfless enough.

 

[Silky23]

Stephenson - KPF - Elliott
De Goey - Mihocek - Hoskin-Elliott

With Sidebottom rotating through the forward when/if either Elliott or De Goey are required to spend some time there.

With Will Kelly pressing his case in the 2nd's.

....and that really wasn't hard. Essentially calling on what made us a dangerous attacking side in 2018.

There is honestly something wrong with you I think, not sure you'll last long here.

Hahahahah so waste JDG in a stacked forward line. I like it. I guess his ability to take a gun defender away from the ball will be good when we hit up the other forwards.

LOL bet your chol is feeling pretty big after sitting behind your computer making that statement mate. Nice work

 

[gouki88]

Hahahahah so waste JDG in a stacked forward line. I like it. I guess his ability to take a gun defender away from the ball will be good when we hit up the other forwards.

LOL bet your chol is feeling pretty big after sitting behind your computer making that statement mate. Nice work

How the hell is that wasting him when that very forward line nearly won a premiership with his as our best forward, and he nearly made the AA team?

 

[Jen2310]

 

[Silky23]

How the hell is that wasting him when that very forward line nearly won a premiership with his as our best forward, and he nearly made the AA team?

I'm about to not continue arguing as it is getting me nowhere but the dynamic shape of our forward line has completely changed between now and then and so has our game plan and the way sides play us.
I'm of the view that if we don't go out and recruit any key forwards (which would be the worst possible outcome) then JDG must be used as a key forward. But you're acting as if the forward line we all HOPE to see next year will be the same to the one that went into the 2018 grand final. It won't be.

Cox will hopefully be replaced with anyone that can mark, plus the development of Kelly should hopefully see him as a regular. You're also completely dismissing the argument of our Midfield, Pendlebury is 3 years older, Sidey nearly won a brownlow that year playing exclusively as an on baller but that is not his game anymore.

So maybe you can tell me then, do we go out and target a gun mid because that is what we desperately need so we can keep JDG forward, or do we target a few KPF's and allow JDG to spend time in the middle.

For me, it's a simple answer as I'd rather see JDG be in the guts than have Wills or JT plying their trade in the middle but that argument doesn't sit well with you guys at all. So i'm intrigued.

 

[adammania9]

Atkins is interesting. Has looked a dud in his last 40 games in a poor Adelaide side but was a weapon when they were at the top end of the ladder contending, which is where we’d like to be if we signed him. Has a lot more speed than Phillips and is a better user by foot but fades out of games more than Phillips and he hates the hard stuff.

Our salary cap probably can’t fit in a 26 year old winger who’ll be looking for a good pay day. I wouldn’t mind him if we weren’t in a squeeze, but I’d be more in favour of grooming Noble or Quaynor into that role.

 

[Leviathan Pie]

How the hell is that wasting him when that very forward line nearly won a premiership with his as our best forward, and he nearly made the AA team?

You didn't head my earlier advice, Gouki!

 

[Darkyprotector]

I'm about to not continue arguing as it is getting me nowhere but the dynamic shape of our forward line has completely changed between now and then and so has our game plan and the way sides play us.
I'm of the view that if we don't go out and recruit any key forwards (which would be the worst possible outcome) then JDG must be used as a key forward. But you're acting as if the forward line we all HOPE to see next year will be the same to the one that went into the 2018 grand final. It won't be.

Cox will hopefully be replaced with anyone that can mark, plus the development of Kelly should hopefully see him as a regular. You're also completely dismissing the argument of our Midfield, Pendlebury is 3 years older, Sidey nearly won a brownlow that year playing exclusively as an on baller but that is not his game anymore.

So maybe you can tell me then, do we go out and target a gun mid because that is what we desperately need so we can keep JDG forward, or do we target a few KPF's and allow JDG to spend time in the middle.

For me, it's a simple answer as I'd rather see JDG be in the guts than have Wills or JT plying their trade in the middle but that argument doesn't sit well with you guys at all. So i'm intrigued.

Great post

Logical

 

[gouki88]

You didn't head my earlier advice, Gouki!

Couldn't help myself!

 

[jackcass]

In a hypothetical where Cameron were willing to leave what would he likely cost in salary? How high would GWS go to match?

If he were available I would consider trading a name player to open up the salary cap space. For example if we lost Treloar ($750k) and Cox (450k) you'd be getting close to the cash needed.

You could look to the draft and DFA types to bolster the midfield on the cheap, to replace some of Treloars output. We'd be keeping our 1st rounder and could go a mid like Macrae knowing Reef and Daicos are also on the way. Target young guys not getting games at their current clubs.

I can't see Cameron leaving GWS but if he decides to leave I doubt $$$'s will be the primary driver. He's already earned the big bucks. Still wouldn't be cheap but I think it would be more about lifestyle and his love of fishing. I'd have thought the Cats would be in the box seat because of those lifestyle reasons. Add the closer proximity to family. Saints the other side that offers closer access to that fishing lifestyle but they're on the wrong side of the bay relative to his family. The less access that you offer to the lifestyle options the more you pay I'd reckon.

 

[jackcass]

I don't think achieving a) will stretch us as things stand. Treloar + Cox would get us close to the money needed. It would fix our biggest list need (if Cameron were interested in moving). Then we could make some money ball moves + good recruiting to repair the void left by Treloar. The theory works I reckon, just Cameron would need to be interested.

Treloar has already said he isn't interested in leaving (2019 to GCS for pick 1 or 2) and he's contracted for 2021 so doubt he's going anywhere. I guess there's an outside chance he disinterest in moving in 2019 was purely because it was interstate but I think he genuinely wants to stay.

 

[jackcass]

Dixons seasons at Port over 4 years =
23 games,
20 games,
9 (injury year)
and to date 12 out of 13 games played missed rnd 1.

Looks pretty reliable to me.

Most of Dixon's issues were between his ears. Seems to have that aspect sorted now.

 

[Robroy22]

Anything that means we won't have to play poor old Rupert Wills in the senior team will do me.

 

[DaVe86]

He's shown some signs over the years when Adelaide were strong, but has fallen off a cliff in a poorer side. Adds some outside pace that probably wouldn't be a bad fit in our side.

It all really depends on list sizes. If it is squeezed to under 40, we probably have to already delist around 10-13 players so we have a few draft picks and room to trade in players. So wouldn't really be in a position to bring in fringe players from poorer clubs.

 

[Silky23]

Great post

Logical

I think it is too. Others seem to think that by stacking a forward line it will all solve the issues overnight.

Still no response in mention to our Midfield though. Pendlebury who is 33 next year, Sidebottom who is 30 and is best used as a high half forward moving through the middle, and obviously Treloar and Adams who are great but after that our once strong midfield falls away off a cliff.

Would be fine if Beams didn't lose it between the ears but sadly it has happened and we have been held to ransom over it.

Our next batch of on ballers is Sier and Wills. Greenwood is 32 next year. The rest are outside Mids at best (Daicos, T Brown, C Brown, Rantall) and Philips/Mayne. Enough said.

The plethora of small forwards we have with height - Elliott, WHE, Stepho, Ruscoe (190), plus Checkers and Kelly and whomever we pick up is already quite strong.

Assuming we already know Treloar and or Adams will miss time at some point as it is a given and the others are only getting older at what point do we think with a logical brain and use JDG as the guy we drafted him for. Beats me how that means I have no idea and lost it. LMAO

Like SERIOUSLY, where do we see our midfield in 3-4 years time? Wills, Sier and Adams in the guts? May as well chuck quick sand in the opposition's boots because there is zero chance we're spreading from a contest.

 

[Apex36]

I think it is too. Others seem to think that by stacking a forward line it will all solve the issues overnight.

Still no response in mention to our Midfield though. Pendlebury who is 33 next year, Sidebottom who is 30 and is best used as a high half forward moving through the middle, and obviously Treloar and Adams who are great but after that our once strong midfield falls away off a cliff.

Would be fine if Beams didn't lose it between the ears but sadly it has happened and we have been held to ransom over it.

Our next batch of on ballers is Sier and Wills. Greenwood is 32 next year. The rest are outside Mids at best (Daicos, T Brown, C Brown, Rantall) and Philips/Mayne. Enough said.

The plethora of small forwards we have with height - Elliott, WHE, Stepho, Ruscoe (190), plus Checkers and Kelly and whomever we pick up is already quite strong.

Assuming we already know Treloar and or Adams will miss time at some point as it is a given and the others are only getting older at what point do we think with a logical brain and use JDG as the guy we drafted him for. Beats me how that means I have no idea and lost it. LMAO

Like SERIOUSLY, where do we see our midfield in 3-4 years time? Wills, Sier and Adams in the guts? May as well chuck quick sand in the opposition's boots because there is zero chance we're spreading from a contest.

In 3-4 years time I’d imagine that our midfield brigade will consist of Adams, Treloar, McInness, Nick Daicos, T Brown and hopefully Rantall, with Reef and Brown filling those big body roles.
As a side note, Sier being slow is a myth. He actually has a good burst of speed off the mark, he just doesn’t often use it, and Rantall and T Brown are both more suited to inside roles. I really don’t know why people keep insisting Rantall is an outside player. Because he has good endurance? His bread and butter is dishing it off by hand inside the contest.

 

[Quicky]

Treloar has already said he isn't interested in leaving (2019 to GCS for pick 1 or 2) and he's contracted for 2021 so doubt he's going anywhere. I guess there's an outside chance he disinterest in moving in 2019 was purely because it was interstate but I think he genuinely wants to stay.

Gold Coast vs a Melbourne based club is a different discussion though. He moved back for family and he'd still have that at another Melbourne based club.

 

[Rusty Beam]

In 3-4 years time I’d imagine that our midfield brigade will consist of Adams, Treloar, McInness, Nick Daicos, T Brown and hopefully Rantall, with Reef and Brown filling those big body roles.
As a side note, Sier being slow is a myth. He actually has a good burst of speed off the mark, he just doesn’t often use it, and Rantall and T Brown are both more suited to inside roles. I really don’t know why people keep insisting Rantall is an outside player. Because he has good endurance? His bread and butter is dishing it off by hand inside the contest.

Yep.

Plus it’s an interesting comment to say ‘Use JDG as the guy we drafted him for’.

Pretty sure he’s playing that exact same role.

 

[Silky23]

In 3-4 years time I’d imagine that our midfield brigade will consist of Adams, Treloar, McInness, Nick Daicos, T Brown and hopefully Rantall, with Reef and Brown filling those big body roles.
As a side note, Sier being slow is a myth. He actually has a good burst of speed off the mark, he just doesn’t often use it, and Rantall and T Brown are both more suited to inside roles. I really don’t know why people keep insisting Rantall is an outside player. Because he has good endurance? His bread and butter is dishing it off by hand inside the contest.

That’s not the intention of my comment about the quick sand. That is in relation to both Wills and Sier’s non-capability to spread from a contest. Good inside with bursts but as soon as the stoppage spreads they are both liabilities.
I’ve not seen enough of Daicos in terms of size but he won’t be big bodied I assume, more classy on the outside? And T Brown if he wants an inside mid role has a long long long way to go in development.
So we have Adams and Treloar with Reef and Rantall. T Brown supposedly if he adds enough size. Still think it’s severely lacking.

 

[Silky23]

Yep.

Plus it’s an interesting comment to say ‘Use JDG as the guy we drafted him for’.

Pretty sure he’s playing that exact same role.

Hha that’s fine, it’s a forum. Voice your opinion.
I don’t think we use Jordy the right way given the tools he can operate as an inside MID but that’s fine.

 

[Apex36]

That’s not the intention of my comment about the quick sand. That is in relation to both Wills and Sier’s non-capability to spread from a contest. Good inside with bursts but as soon as the stoppage spreads they are both liabilities.
I’ve not seen enough of Daicos in terms of size but he won’t be big bodied I assume, more classy on the outside? And T Brown if he wants an inside mid role has a long long long way to go in development.
So we have Adams and Treloar with Reef and Rantall. T Brown supposedly if he adds enough size. Still think it’s severely lacking.

Don’t assume anything about Nick. He’s a completely different beast to Josh. Taller than his old man already, so he’s at least 185cm, so should be plenty big enough as an on baller. I’d imagine he’ll be an inside/outside player like Pendles (not saying he’ll play like Pendles) and Treloar.
Are you honestly worried about Brown putting on size? Go back and look at how skinny his old man was when he started. 1-2 more preseasons and Tyler will be in beast mode, just wait and see.