List Mgmt. Trade & Free Agency Part 9

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[THE_GUN]

Freo are desperate for Bolton & Baker
They have realized that without instant impact they cant wait 4 years for kids to maybe develop
their time is now and will trade all 3 picks for both players. Leave it to the last day and get our other business done

Rioli - We want WAYYYYYYYYYY overs
Both their 1st round picks with rubbish going back

Brisbane 1st rounder is the 1st deal we concentrate on with the lions knowing Ashcroft is our #1 pick if deal doesnt get done

DO NOT TRADE 1st Pick on day 2 , Some team will give up F1 for this pick in such a strong draft

 

[Charlie Pannam]

We could take Philips in the preseason draft if we wanted.

Naaah, trade in good faith. You do that sort of sh!t you get a bad reputation and it comes back to bite you sometime down the track.

 

[Groupie_]

Trade tightrope: The huge calls Richmond face on their stars​

ByJake Niall​

August 18, 2024 — 5.30am



The path that Richmond takes on whether to trade out Daniel Rioli and/or Shai Bolton represents the most consequential decision that the club has faced since the exit of Damien Hardwick and his replacement by Adem Yze.
The Tigers will likely lose Liam Baker to either Fremantle or West Coast, and they’re comfortable with that reality, recognising that Baker is out of contract and has every right to return home to Perth.
Rioli leaving to reunite with Hardwick at Gold Coast would sting Richmond people, who are still adjusting to the break-up of a band that delivered so many hits and memories and to Hardwick’s rapid shedding of his Tiger skin.

Pivotal decisions loom for Richmond around Shai Bolton and Daniel Rioli.Credit:Getty Images
Thankfully, the threat of Dusty Martin joining the “Dimma” Suns has receded to the point that we will be surprised if Dusty un-retires and lands on the beach.

But to add the loss of Bolton, arguably the club’s most gifted player, to that of Baker and Rioli would be revolutionary. It would signal a near complete list-reconstruction under Yze and would almost compel the hierarchy to guarantee the senior coach at least another three years after 2024.
Instinctively, this column’s initial reaction to the prospect of losing that trio of premiership players, in their primes (Bolton 25, Baker 26, Rioli 27) was to say that the Tigers would be unwise to lose all three and that they should avoid stripping back too far when Tom Lynch, Dylan Grimes, Nick Vlastuin, Toby Nankervis, Dion Prestia and Nathan Broad have all turned 30.
Carlton levelled the list to near ground zero in 2015 and while they – finally – have enough mature top-end talent to contend, it has been a turbulent journey that has seen four coaches, three CEOs and other high visibility officials disappear down the Royal Parade trapdoor.

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But on consideration, the answer to the Richmond riddle – whether they keep Rioli and Bolton, sell one or trade both – is contingent upon what they would get back in return, and how they would compensate for the loss of three of their best players, culturally and on-field.


Rioli and Bolton are secured on contracts for three and four more years respectively. Richmond can simply hold them to their contracts if they wish, thumbing their nose at the offers from the Suns and Perth teams.
Rioli is certain to fetch at least a first round pick and potentially another decent pick if he goes. Two first rounds is over the odds, but it is clear that the Tigers would extract more from Suns – who have seldom had quality players queuing up to join – than from anyone else.
Bolton is more problematic. He has just become a father for the second time and the club is aware that he would explore a move home to Perth for family/personal reasons.

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Bolton’s is Richmond’s premier match-turner and could be a huge difference-maker to a Fremantle team that’s well-placed for multiple flag assaults. I’m not convinced he is such a valuable asset for West Coast, given their demographics are not dissimilar to Richmond’s as a team that’s tipped over into rebuild; the Eagles can hardly afford to hand over too much draft capital.

Therein lies another complication: Whichever of Fremantle or West Coast lands Baker will give up a first rounder, and that club might be less inclined to pay an even heftier premium for Bolton.
The Dockers hold three first-round picks, including Collingwood’s (courtesy of a generous Lachie Schultz trade), so they’re the more logical landing for Bolton and possibly Baker.
West Coast have pick three on current ladder positions, which they will obviously be loath to give up. But they’re a fair chance to trade Tom Barrass (Hawthorn?) in exchange for a first rounder, which can be parlayed into a trade for Baker.
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Rioli is performing closer to his peak and his body language and tireless effort suggest he’s more invested than Bolton, who has not scaled the heights of 2022 in a team that has been smashed by injuries this year.

We can speculate about Fremantle, West Coast and Gold Coast’s offerings for the Tiger trio, but really these deals would be on Richmond’s racquet; barring Baker, the Tigers can hold.

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To let all three depart, the Tigers would need to be satisfied of the following:

1. That the draft return will bring the club closer to premiership contention;
2. That the fabric of the team and club will not be damaged for an extended period.
3. That they have sufficient senior players – Tim Taranto and Jacob Hopper among the key leaders – to retain spirit and competitive performances during the trough, however long it lasts.

A further, unintended risk of forfeiting too much mid-career quality is that it renders the club – even a powerhouse like Richmond – unattractive to free agents and high calibre mature recruits from other clubs; it is rare that free agents or departing A graders choose teams that are mired in mediocrity or worse.

Conversely, Hawthorn have shown that it is possible to jettison experience – and prune back the list to supposedly dangerous levels of inexperience – and still to have rapid regrowth. And the Hawks are sexy again for free agents et al.
Having imitated Hawthorn’s unsuccessful acquisitions of Jaeger O’Meara, Tom Mitchell and Chad Wingard (deals that delayed their renaissance) by recruiting Taranto and Hopper, there’s a case for Richmond doing a version of Sam Mitchell’s audacious youth policy.
It largely hangs on what you can get.

waste of time article , learned nothing new

 

[Noidnadroj]

Dimma ain’t gonna sit back and allow his team to be sh*te again in 2025. He will sell the farm even more than ever for Rioli.

If push for their pick-12 and a F1, with us handing back a F3. They are not giving pick-5 as Lombard won’t be bid on before that.

Guarantees us a great draft hand next year and we will get a very highly rated kid at 12 this year.

12 and a F1 is huge overs for a 28yo.


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[tigs2010]

Dimma ain’t gonna sit back and allow his team to be sh*te again in 2025. He will sell the farm even more than ever for Rioli.

If push for their pick-12 and a F1, with us handing back a F3. They are not giving pick-5 as Lombard won’t be bid on before that.

Guarantees us a great draft hand next year and we will get a very highly rated kid at 12 this year.

12 and a F1 is huge overs for a 28yo.


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Don't think they can give an F1. They have 3 or 4 academy kids again. They're actually more likely to give pick 5. Otherwise they'll make it difficult to get a top 5 Queensland kid the next year along with a couple of others.

 

[Lacustrus]

waste of time article , learned nothing new

Nothing really new but still accurate

 

[voorhees]

Naaah, trade in good faith. You do that sort of sh!t you get a bad reputation and it comes back to bite you sometime down the track.

you mean like Carlton trading us Yarren knowing he had a raging drug problem

 

[richoatthedisco]

We paid picks that ended up at 7 & 36 for Prestia and a pick that ended up at 26. Based on the draft points index that is worth between picks 9 & 10, but closer to pick 10 than 9.

If we got pick 5(probably slides to 6) for Rioli you would be happy with that I think. However, I am pretty sure Suns will want our pick 1 as well. So there is likely to be a massive deal involving at least 3 clubs to get it all done. If that is how it works out we will end up with quite a lot of rd 1 picks, possibly including picks 3 & 5 but definitely one of those.

If we trade pick one it will be the end of Blair.

Would be great but imo, there’s absolutely no way GCS will give up pick 5, as Lombard won’t be selected that early (unless we play games and say we will select him ). Pretty unlikely though

If I were Norf and Richmond took FOS at 1, I'd be bidding on both Ashcroft and Lombard at 2. Lombard is as good or better than Draper.

If Norf didn't do it, good chance West Coast would given they're one of the most vocal critics of the Northern academies, and that Lombard would suit them to a tee.

After last year's haul I don't think any clubs are keen for the Suns to pay unders again.

 

[SunshineBoy]

Apparently these are our targets

1. Jai Culley (West Coast Eagles): Known for his strong presence on the field, Culley could be a valuable addition to Richmond’s midfield.
2. Elijah Tsatas (Essendon): A rising star, Tsatas could provide the Tigers with much-needed dynamism and skill.
3. Dan Houston (Port Adelaide): Houston’s defensive capabilities and versatility make him a strong candidate to reinforce Richmond’s backline.
4. Will Phillips (North Melbourne): Phillips brings a blend of speed and agility that could enhance Richmond’s midfield options.
5. Ash Johnson (Collingwood): Johnson’s goal-scoring ability and athleticism could significantly boost Richmond’s forward line.

As Richmond moves forward, the integration of new talent will be essential to their ambitions. The team is expected to make strategic moves that align with their long-term goals, ensuring a competitive edge in future seasons.

 

[THE THIN MAN]

Trade tightrope: The huge calls Richmond face on their stars​

ByJake Niall​

August 18, 2024 — 5.30am

Having imitated Hawthorn’s unsuccessful acquisitions of Jaeger O’Meara, Tom Mitchell and Chad Wingard (deals that delayed their renaissance) by recruiting Taranto and Hopper, there’s a case for Richmond doing a version of Sam Mitchell’s audacious youth policy.
It largely hangs on what you can get.

Taranto won the Jack Dyer Medal in his debut season at the club; I would not class Taranto as an unsuccessful acquisition.

The jury is out for Hopper, 2025 will be the make-or-break season, with the departures of Rioli, Bolton and Baker.

 

[Groupie_]

Nothing really new but still accurate

must be wanting Richmond supporter clicks with pies, blooze bandwagon drop offs

 

[THE THIN MAN]

Apparently these are our targets

1. Jai Culley (West Coast Eagles): Known for his strong presence on the field, Culley could be a valuable addition to Richmond’s midfield.
2. Elijah Tsatas (Essendon): A rising star, Tsatas could provide the Tigers with much-needed dynamism and skill.
3. Dan Houston (Port Adelaide): Houston’s defensive capabilities and versatility make him a strong candidate to reinforce Richmond’s backline.
4. Will Phillips (North Melbourne): Phillips brings a blend of speed and agility that could enhance Richmond’s midfield options.
5. Ash Johnson (Collingwood): Johnson’s goal-scoring ability and athleticism could significantly boost Richmond’s forward line.

As Richmond moves forward, the integration of new talent will be essential to their ambitions. The team is expected to make strategic moves that align with their long-term goals, ensuring a competitive edge in future seasons.

 

[richoatthedisco]

Apparently these are our targets

1. Jai Culley (West Coast Eagles): Known for his strong presence on the field, Culley could be a valuable addition to Richmond’s midfield.
2. Elijah Tsatas (Essendon): A rising star, Tsatas could provide the Tigers with much-needed dynamism and skill.
3. Dan Houston (Port Adelaide): Houston’s defensive capabilities and versatility make him a strong candidate to reinforce Richmond’s backline.
4. Will Phillips (North Melbourne): Phillips brings a blend of speed and agility that could enhance Richmond’s midfield options.
5. Ash Johnson (Collingwood): Johnson’s goal-scoring ability and athleticism could significantly boost Richmond’s forward line.

As Richmond moves forward, the integration of new talent will be essential to their ambitions. The team is expected to make strategic moves that align with their long-term goals, ensuring a competitive edge in future seasons.

According to who?

 

[fargothegreat]

Here's a ridiculous hypothetical trade scenario for you all to Jack Ough to:

• We trade Bolton to Freo for picks 9, 10, 17.
• We on-trade 9 and 10 along with Baker to WC for pick 3
• We trade Rioli to GC for pick 5
• We trade 5 and 17 to North for pick 2

We then have picks 1, 2 and 3.

 

[Googstar]

Apparently these are our targets

1. Jai Culley (West Coast Eagles): Known for his strong presence on the field, Culley could be a valuable addition to Richmond’s midfield.
2. Elijah Tsatas (Essendon): A rising star, Tsatas could provide the Tigers with much-needed dynamism and skill.
3. Dan Houston (Port Adelaide): Houston’s defensive capabilities and versatility make him a strong candidate to reinforce Richmond’s backline.
4. Will Phillips (North Melbourne): Phillips brings a blend of speed and agility that could enhance Richmond’s midfield options.
5. Ash Johnson (Collingwood): Johnson’s goal-scoring ability and athleticism could significantly boost Richmond’s forward line.

As Richmond moves forward, the integration of new talent will be essential to their ambitions. The team is expected to make strategic moves that align with their long-term goals, ensuring a competitive edge in future seasons.

No they are not. This was from some crap dished up by someone from the Sun. They were trying to say Richmond should use its impending swag of draft picks to target players from other clubs to accelerate the rebuild, instead of drafting and development. As usual, they put 2 and 2 together and came up with 5.

 

[Mr Magic]

Here's a ridiculous hypothetical trade scenario for you all to Jack Ough to:

• We trade Bolton to Freo for picks 9, 10, 17.
• We on-trade 9 and 10 along with Baker to WC for pick 3
• We trade Rioli to GC for pick 5
• We trade 5 and 17 to North for pick 2

We then have picks 1, 2 and 3.

would not trade 5 and 17 for 2

 

[beema limapep]

we will get pick 6 and select another reece conca

If he has half the spirit of elbows Conca I'm sold

 

[Danog]

Here's a ridiculous hypothetical trade scenario for you all to Jack Ough to:

• We trade Bolton to Freo for picks 9, 10, 17.
• We on-trade 9 and 10 along with Baker to WC for pick 3
• We trade Rioli to GC for pick 5
• We trade 5 and 17 to North for pick 2

We then have picks 1, 2 and 3.

Or... more realistic

Brisbane's Pick 14 (1161 points) for Picks 33, 41, 51, 57 (1416 points and no Ashcroft bid)
Bolton to Freo for Picks 9 and 13
Graham to West Coast (band 3 FA compo) for Pick 23
Baker to West Coast for Pick 24 and Future 2nd (If they're bottom 4 again, this is equivalent to about pick 9 in total)
Rioli to GC for Picks 5 and 20, with us giving back Pick 39 to help with points

IN: 5, 9, 13, 14, 20, 23, 24, Future 2nd
OUT: Bolton, Graham, Baker, Rioli, 33, 39, 41, 51, 57

Leaves us with this setup on draft night

1, 5, 9, 13, 20, 21, 23, 24, 65, 73

Plenty of room to get good kids and trade some of those 20s picks for Future 1sts to add to our WCE Future 2nd.

 

[Mr Magic]

I get the feeling Bolton could be less likely to be traded, he is such a unusual player with highlight reel attached

 

[beema limapep]

Or... more realistic

Brisbane's Pick 14 (1161 points) for Picks 33, 41, 51, 57 (1416 points and no Ashcroft bid)
Bolton to Freo for Picks 9 and 13
Graham to West Coast (band 3 FA compo) for Pick 23
Baker to West Coast for Pick 24 and Future 2nd (If they're bottom 4 again, this is equivalent to about pick 9 in total)
Rioli to GC for Picks 5 and 20, with us giving back Pick 39 to help with points

IN: 5, 9, 13, 14, 20, 23, 24, Future 2nd
OUT: Bolton, Graham, Baker, Rioli, 33, 39, 41, 51, 57

Leaves us with this setup on draft night

1, 5, 9, 13, 20, 21, 23, 24, 65, 73

Plenty of room to get good kids and trade some of those 20s picks for Future 1sts to add to our WCE Future 2nd.

I like it and it mostly seems realistic but I think we will want a tad more for Baker.

 

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Apparently these are our targets

1. Jai Culley (West Coast Eagles): Known for his strong presence on the field, Culley could be a valuable addition to Richmond’s midfield.
2. Elijah Tsatas (Essendon): A rising star, Tsatas could provide the Tigers with much-needed dynamism and skill.
3. Dan Houston (Port Adelaide): Houston’s defensive capabilities and versatility make him a strong candidate to reinforce Richmond’s backline.
4. Will Phillips (North Melbourne): Phillips brings a blend of speed and agility that could enhance Richmond’s midfield options.
5. Ash Johnson (Collingwood): Johnson’s goal-scoring ability and athleticism could significantly boost Richmond’s forward line.

As Richmond moves forward, the integration of new talent will be essential to their ambitions. The team is expected to make strategic moves that align with their long-term goals, ensuring a competitive edge in future seasons.

 

[fargothegreat]

Or... more realistic

Brisbane's Pick 14 (1161 points) for Picks 33, 41, 51, 57 (1416 points and no Ashcroft bid)
Bolton to Freo for Picks 9 and 13
Graham to West Coast (band 3 FA compo) for Pick 23
Baker to West Coast for Pick 24 and Future 2nd (If they're bottom 4 again, this is equivalent to about pick 9 in total)
Rioli to GC for Picks 5 and 20, with us giving back Pick 39 to help with points

IN: 5, 9, 13, 14, 20, 23, 24, Future 2nd
OUT: Bolton, Graham, Baker, Rioli, 33, 39, 41, 51, 57

Leaves us with this setup on draft night

1, 5, 9, 13, 20, 21, 23, 24, 65, 73

Plenty of room to get good kids and trade some of those 20s picks for Future 1sts to add to our WCE Future 2nd.

I'd rather Jack Ough to picks 1, 2 and 3.

 

[Noidnadroj]

Dimma ain’t gonna sit back and allow his team to be sh*te again in 2025. He will sell the farm even more than ever for Rioli.

If push for their pick-12 and a F1, with us handing back a F3. They are not giving pick-5 as Lombard won’t be bid on before that.

Guarantees us a great draft hand next year and we will get a very highly rated kid at 12 this year.

12 and a F1 is huge overs for a 28yo.


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[Pattiger]

Apparently these are our targets

1. Jai Culley (West Coast Eagles): Known for his strong presence on the field, Culley could be a valuable addition to Richmond’s midfield.
2. Elijah Tsatas (Essendon): A rising star, Tsatas could provide the Tigers with much-needed dynamism and skill.
3. Dan Houston (Port Adelaide): Houston’s defensive capabilities and versatility make him a strong candidate to reinforce Richmond’s backline.
4. Will Phillips (North Melbourne): Phillips brings a blend of speed and agility that could enhance Richmond’s midfield options.
5. Ash Johnson (Collingwood): Johnson’s goal-scoring ability and athleticism could significantly boost Richmond’s forward line.

As Richmond moves forward, the integration of new talent will be essential to their ambitions. The team is expected to make strategic moves that align with their long-term goals, ensuring a competitive edge in future seasons.

Rapt to get Ash Johnson - he really ripped it against Richmond last year - is the ideal half forward we are looking for !

 

[Mr Magic]

I like it and it mostly seems realistic but I think we will want a tad more for Baker.

no first rounder, no deal