List Mgmt. Trade & Free Agency Part 10

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Trade & Free Agency Dates

Free Agency Period - Friday October 4th 9am to Friday October 11th 5pm

Trade Period - Monday 7th October 9am to Wednesday October 16th 7.30pm

Richmond have been linked to the following players:
Elijah Tsatas
Jai Culley
Jacob Konstanty

 

[richoatthedisco]

Yes true, there's also the possibility that the player you pick at 1 would be still available at pick 6.

Only if you pick the wrong player.

 

[Groupie_]

stringer knocked back the pies

 

[Aristotle Pickett]

Only if you pick the wrong player.

Not if the first 6 picks are rated evenly like they appear to be this year. There's no definative ranking of the first batch this year, that's what I'm banging on about.

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

They could have delisted him at the end of the year. They're typically on six month contracts or simply just delisted someone else. I'd rather Davidson over Cumberland, Colina and Dow for starters.

You think he'd improve that much in a 3mnth period that you could make a judgement?
Be more unfair on the kid than not getting drafted

 

[richoatthedisco]

Not if the first 6 picks are rated evenly like they appear to be this year. There's no definative ranking of the first batch this year, that's what I'm banging on about.

Are you banging on about it? No! Really??? I couldn't tell you were banging on about it amidst all the banging on you were banging on with.

The trouble with that argument is it's wrong. I'm not sure why you don't take my word for it since you seem to believe everything you read.

 

[prodigy]

This isn't a shot at you just using your post to reply to the topic.

What I find amazing in all of this is that the club has a lot more insight into Davidson than any of us and yet people continue to say the club messed up. There must be a reason as to why we, along with 17 other clubs who would have all done their due diligence on him, all chose to overlook him in the middle of the year.

FWIW Davidson is a 191cm 3rd tall type, not exactly a big list need, as we've got Bauer Lefau & Brown who we played as that mobile 3rd tall type of forward and we needed KPPs back in the MSD and still need KPPs this year heading into the draft.

Wouldn't be the least bit surprised to see Davidson fall through the rookie draft and if so then hopefully we pull the trigger then with pick 1 if we think he is the best available talent at that point, however I'm not quite sure that he will be.

You're right but then we get reports a few weeks back that there are multiple clubs interested in Sam Davidson with us being amongst them. I watched a lot of VFL this year and by no means am I saying I know better but he was showing prominent signs of how good he was and he was showing it on a consistent basis. We had better access than all the other clubs and there is zero chance that we only just had initial interest after the MSD.
It's clear we risked that no one would take him before we choose to at whatever point that is. That risk to me makes very little sense to me when we have the list flexibility that we currently have and would have had a decent idea of six months ago.

But no other club took him either!!! That surely tells you something, or is it just blame the club that we didn’t select a player that supporters like, not the staff actually paid to watch these players? You’d think we’d passed on Harley Reid the way some people are talking about this kid. He may be decent but I’ll let the experts make the call on behalf of the club


EDIT: Sorry RT, posted before reading further, and you covered it well.

Yes no other club did take him and that was fortunate considering the reports we are hearing now. This is nothing against your attitude as I know you're extremely supportive of the club but they stuffed up here and that's okay to admit sometimes. The professionals are not always going to right. Being a fan of this club for as long as we have I've seen us get it wrong plenty of times.

No one is drafting a player thinking we can just delist him in 6 months. Outside of maybe a mature age ruck for a contender everyone is trying to draft a long term piece.

Also Davidson played one really good game prior to MSD and it was only a few days before. He got better after the draft.

Clubs have delisted mid-season draftees after six months, it's harsh but it's happened. Can't quote exactly who it was but I know it's happened.
I'll also challenge you on the "one really good game prior to MSD" comment. That's just false. He was putting in great performances consistently and I specifically remember a lot of people thinking that we should take him.
I don't think you're remembering well.

I will die on this hill.

 

[Aristotle Pickett]

Are you banging on about it? No! Really??? I couldn't tell you were banging on about it amidst all the banging on you were banging on with.

The trouble with that argument is it's wrong. I'm not sure why you don't take my word for it since you seem to believe everything you read.

Ok , rank the first 6 for me.

 

[Steely Brown Eye]

We should be all over Carroll from the blues good young player we should be targeting been left hanged to dry.

our next grigga

 

[prodigy]

You think he'd improve that much in a 3mnth period that you could make a judgement?
Be more unfair on the kid than not getting drafted

He was showing plenty at VFL level. We wouldn't need him to improve drastically, but if we identified a player that we preferred in the draft then we could have just delisted him.
We are an organisation striving for success. Sentiment and not hurting someone's feelings sometimes gets in the way of that.

 

[richoatthedisco]

Ok , rank the first 6 for me.

1. FOS
2. Lalor
3. Ashcroft
4. Lombard
5. Jagga
6. Draper

That's the top 6. Then there's another group 7-20ish. You were talking about trading pick 1 for two picks in the 7-20 range, weren't you?

 

[tigs2010]

1. FOS
2. Lalor
3. Ashcroft
4. Lombard
5. Jagga
6. Draper

That's the top 6. Then there's another group 7-20ish. You were talking about trading pick 1 for two picks in the 7-20 range, weren't you?

Where have you got your boy Smillie?

 

[richoatthedisco]

Where have you got your boy Smillie?

16

 

[swallace]

trade radio should be 24/7 365 days

And called Tradio

 

[Morro]

1. FOS
2. Lalor
3. Ashcroft
4. Lombard
5. Jagga
6. Draper

That's the top 6. Then there's another group 7-20ish. You were talking about trading pick 1 for two picks in the 7-20 range, weren't you?

This ****ing guy!

 

[Aristotle Pickett]

1. FOS
2. Lalor
3. Ashcroft
4. Lombard
5. Jagga
6. Draper

That's the top 6. Then there's another group 7-20ish. You were talking about trading pick 1 for two picks in the 7-20 range, weren't you?

I was saying tradepick 1 for one in the first batch whether that be the first 6 or first 7, whatever is . If you say it's a top 6 , I'll go with that.And one pick in the next range , whatever that is.
My other point is that other recruiters and experts will have a different ranking of the top 6 than your ranking. Some may have the same, but most will differ because of the eveness.
So on your list we would forgo FOS for Draper and have another top say 15 pick.

 

[Profop]

I was saying trade for one in the first batch whether that be the first 6 or first 7, whatever is . If you say it's a top 6 , I'll go with that.And one pick in the next range , whatever that is.
My other point is that other recruiters and experts will have a different ranking of the top 6 than your ranking. Some may have the same, but most will differ because of the eveness.
So on your list we would forgo FOS for Draper and have another top say 15 pick.

Sorry who are you trading with to make this happen?

I don’t think there’s anyone with a top six pick and then another in the first round apart from GC who is giving us at least one of those picks already for Rioli

 

[Wrenny]

Wade Derksen a chance?

Picked Mid Season Draft 2022 #5 by the Giants. Yet to play AFL

Played more in defence this year but I like him up forward. Behind Cadman, Hogan, Riccardi, Gruzewski & even Keefe

The GIANTS added athletic key forward Wade Derksen to their list in the 2022 AFL Mid-Season Rookie Draft. Plucked out of the WAFL by the GIANTS in the middle of the year on the back of an eye-catching 22-disposal, four-goal, seven-mark performance for the Peel Thunder, Derksen is a latecomer to the game after starting off playing rugby. Standing at 197cm, Derksen was previously part of Essendon’s VFL program before playing with Nightcliff in the Northern Territory. Derksen showed strong form for the GIANTS at VFL level in 2023, finishing as the side’s leading goalkicker for the season with 35 majors from 18 games. He was rewarded with a two-year contract extension which will see him in orange and charcoal until the end of 2025.

 

[Morro]

I was saying tradepick 1 for one in the first batch whether that be the first 6 or first 7, whatever is . If you say it's a top 6 , I'll go with that.And one pick in the next range , whatever that is.
My other point is that other recruiters and experts will have a different ranking of the top 6 than your ranking. Some may have the same, but most will differ because of the eveness.
So on your list we would forgo FOS for Draper and have another top say 15 pick.

You just know pick 15 ends up a dud though and we end up with the 6th best player and a dud, instead of the best player.

 

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You're right but then we get reports a few weeks back that there are multiple clubs interested in Sam Davidson with us being amongst them. I watched a lot of VFL this year and by no means am I saying I know better but he was showing prominent signs of how good he was and he was showing it on a consistent basis. We had better access than all the other clubs and there is zero chance that we only just had initial interest after the MSD.
It's clear we risked that no one would take him before we choose to at whatever point that is. That risk to me makes very little sense to me when we have the list flexibility that we currently have and would have had a decent idea of six months ago.

Never said we weren't interested prior to the MSD, it's more that at the time a player like Davidson wasn't a need as much as genuine KPPs were. However you say it yourself, the real interest in Davidson came after the MSD when his form become more consistent as he increased his averages for disposals & marks while kicking 19 goals in 11 games. Lets not forget that when the MSD rolled around our list wasn't in the shape that it is now, where we've had a number of retirements as well as trade requests that have created so many openings.

We'll no doubt be hoping that Davidson can make it through to a spot where we're happy to pick him up, but given the needs of our list, he isn't someone we need to prioritize IMO. If another club rates him higher than we do, then I hope the kid gets his chance, because they means that our VFL program continues to be a strong breeding ground, and players looking for a chance at breaking through will want to come and play with us.

 

[richoatthedisco]

I was saying tradepick 1 for one in the first batch whether that be the first 6 or first 7, whatever is . If you say it's a top 6 , I'll go with that.And one pick in the next range , whatever that is.
My other point is that other recruiters and experts will have a different ranking of the top 6 than your ranking. Some may have the same, but most will differ because of the eveness.
So on your list we would forgo FOS for Draper and have another top say 15 pick.

You're still assuming that 1 = 6. Draper is the 6th-best, FOS is the best. We are at ground zero, we'll have chances to get the 6th best player in the draft for the next three years. This might be our only shot at the best.

 

[Aristotle Pickett]

Sorry who are you trading with to make this happen?

I don’t think there’s anyone with a top six pick and then another in the first round apart from GC who is giving us at least one of those picks already for Rioli

We could put it out there and see if anyone is interested. Maybe Adelaide or St.kilda.

 

[RobsJourney]

I still don't get why Lalor is touted top 2... Must just be on potential + the Dusty comparison?

I don't see a player that moves like Dusty. He is big-bodied yes, can go forward yes, but he does not move the same at all, compare the highlights.

And I don't see a player that played a LOT of footy at Coates level this year.

Weren't a bunch of posters on here saying that, during the VIC Metro vs VIC Country game, he wasn't really that involved and didn't do a whole lot? He took a big mark and that was about it yeah?

If we're talking FOS and his body of work not really stacking up to being a bonafide pick 1, then Lalor's body of work is even less for being a pick 2.

Change my mind?

EDIT: This should be in the draft thread sorry.

 

[_RT_]

We could put it out there and see if anyone is interested. Maybe Adelaide or St.kilda.

Crows have 4 & 25

So how do you expect the Crows to get another pick in the 7-15 range?

Saints currently have 7 & 24 with possibly 8 if Battle triggers band 1 compo so given they are already outside the top 6, it's not worth chasing a deal with them.

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

He was showing plenty at VFL level. We wouldn't need him to improve drastically, but if we identified a player that we preferred in the draft then we could have just delisted him.
We are an organisation striving for success. Sentiment and not hurting someone's feelings sometimes gets in the way of that.

Here kid you have 3mnths too impress or else.
Sounds very unrichmondlike

 

[Karp3_dm]

I still don't get why Lalor is touted top 2... Must just be on potential + the Dusty comparison?

I don't see a player that moves like Dusty. He is big-bodied yes, can go forward yes, but he does not move the same at all, compare the highlights.

And I don't see a player that played a LOT of footy at Coates level this year.

Weren't a bunch of posters on here saying that, during the VIC Metro vs VIC Country game, he wasn't really that involved and didn't do a whole lot? He took a big mark and that was about it yeah?

If we're talking FOS and his body of work not really stacking up to being a bonafide pick 1, then Lalor's body of work is even less for being a pick 2.

Change my mind?

EDIT: This should be in the draft thread sorry.

Really? You really can’t see it?
What do you want him to have a neck tattoo or a cooking show?

Kid is an animal