List Mgmt. Trade & Free Agency Part 9

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[tigs2010]

According to who?

Imagine trading out Richmond royalty to then waste the capital on Houston ffs

 

[Danog]

I like it and it mostly seems realistic but I think we will want a tad more for Baker.

He's out of contract. We don't have the same leverage we do with the Rioli / Bolton trades.

West Coast are at a similar stage in their rebuild to us. I doubt they'll want to trade pick 3 or whatever 1st round pick they get for Barrass for Baker. Two second rounders seem very fair, especially considering how good this year's draft is until pick 30-odd.

 

[Morro]

Know much about Hobbs?

enough to know he isnt a need for us, great kid though.

 

[Noidnadroj]

If we trade pick one it will be the end of Blair.


If I were Norf and Richmond took FOS at 1, I'd be bidding on both Ashcroft and Lombard at 2. Lombard is as good or better than Draper.

If Norf didn't do it, good chance West Coast would given they're one of the most vocal critics of the Northern academies, and that Lombard would suit them to a tee.

After last year's haul I don't think any clubs are keen for the Suns to pay unders again.

If there is no clear cut #1 then why care if we trade #1 when we are seemingly as good a chance to get the better player at #5 as we are at #1 - and in fact may get our first preference at #5 anyway …. If we can parlay #1 into 5 and another first rounder this year or next I’d suggest this year seems the perfect year to do it.

#1 has no value if there is a blanket over the first half dozen picks.


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[Samuri Pizza Cat]

One thing people are forgetting in regards to Baker is we have pick 1 in pre season draft with ample cap space.

So idea that we give him away for a bag of chips will not happen if we have any balls. We need to be ruthless in this next phase when it comes to trading.

 

[Danog]

#1 has no value if there is a blanket over the first half dozen picks.

There's no Harley Reid, but this statement just isn't true.

 

[Danog]

One thing people are forgetting in regards to Baker is we have pick 1 in pre season draft with ample cap space.

So idea that we give him away for a bag of chips will not happen if we have any balls. We need to be ruthless in this next phase when it comes to trading.

Two early 2nd rounders are not 'a bag of chips'

 

[Lord of the Wings]

We’ll beat Gold C and #l#lolNorf will lose to the Hawk Tuas by over 100 and we’ll end up with pick 2.

 

[Mr Magic]

He's out of contract. We don't have the same leverage we do with the Rioli / Bolton trades.

West Coast are at a similar stage in their rebuild to us. I doubt they'll want to trade pick 3 or whatever 1st round pick they get for Barrass for Baker. Two second rounders seem very fair, especially considering how good this year's draft is until pick 30-odd.

two second rounders is not very fair, they will be put back and you get your dime a dozen players. Your in the Phillips fringe category

2 times shit is still shit

we are more likely to offer more to ensure a first for Baker.

 

[beema limapep]

He's out of contract. We don't have the same leverage we do with the Rioli / Bolton trades.

West Coast are at a similar stage in their rebuild to us. I doubt they'll want to trade pick 3 or whatever 1st round pick they get for Barrass for Baker. Two second rounders seem very fair, especially considering how good this year's draft is until pick 30-odd.

I understand but for mine its still unders. I think West Coast would need to work a bit harder in securing adequate compensation. Its not our problem they only have picks that they have. Two second rounders will probably end up being picks 23-25 or so in both drafts.

Perhaps this is the reason that he hasn't come out and said he wants to stay/leave so late in the year - I.e. there is some sort of stalemate with discussions between the clubs.

 

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Current picks 1, 21, 33, 39, 41, 51, 57, 65, 73

Graham to WCE for band 3 compo = 22

33, 39 & 41 to Brisbane for 2025 R1 pick

Rioli to Suns for 5, straight up. Daniel isn't worth pick 5 but given he is contracted until 2027 that's the price is the Suns want him, take it or leave it.

Baker to WCE for 2024 & 2025 R2 picks = 23(2024) & 19-22 range for 2025

Bolton to Fremantle for 9 & 13. Understand that people want 3 R1 picks, but no club is going to give up 3 picks for him. Take the 2 R1 picks and move on especially if he doesn't want to be here.

Trade 51, 57 65 & 73 to a club needing points to match a bid in the 30s like Carlton or Adelaide

Head to draft with 1, 5(?), 9, 13, 21, 22 & 23, plus our 2025 R1, Brisbane 2025 R1, our 2025 R2, WCE 2025 R2.

 

[Charlie Pannam]

you mean like Carlton trading us Yarren knowing he had a raging drug problem

Yeah haven’t forgiven the * for that!!! Although We probably didn’t do due diligence in that trade

 

[Mr Magic]

Current picks 1, 21, 33, 39, 41, 51, 57, 65, 73

Graham to WCE for band 3 compo = 22

33, 39 & 41 to Brisbane for 2025 R1 pick

Rioli to Suns for 5, straight up. Daniel isn't worth pick 5 but given he is contracted until 2027 that's the price is the Suns want him, take it or leave it.

Baker to WCE for 2024 & 2025 R2 picks = 23(2024) & 19-22 range for 2025

Bolton to Fremantle for 9 & 13. Understand that people want 3 R1 picks, but no club is going to give up 3 picks for him. Take the 2 R1 picks and move on especially if he doesn't want to be here.

Trade 51, 57 65 & 73 to a club needing points to match a bid in the 30s like Carlton or Adelaide

Head to draft with 1, 5(?), 9, 13, 21, 22 & 23, plus our 2025 R1, Brisbane 2025 R1, our 2025 R2, WCE 2025 R2.

If that was the scenario, Bolton stays, Graham goes to West Coast, Rioli goes and the picks for Baker get need to be traded to get a better first rounder and if cannot be on traded part of a multiple club deal to get first rounder this year for Baker.

Really cannot see Bolton going for 9 and 13, Bolton is not a idiot and he is mature, he looks to have smarts on his shoulders and is a cool customer

 

[KimKershaw1959]

If that happens, I'll need therapy to forget Meyer, Polo, Pattison

Current picks 1, 21, 33, 39, 41, 51, 57, 65, 73

Graham to WCE for band 3 compo = 22

33, 39 & 41 to Brisbane for 2025 R1 pick

Rioli to Suns for 5, straight up. Daniel isn't worth pick 5 but given he is contracted until 2027 that's the price is the Suns want him, take it or leave it.

Baker to WCE for 2024 & 2025 R2 picks = 23(2024) & 19-22 range for 2025

Bolton to Fremantle for 9 & 13. Understand that people want 3 R1 picks, but no club is going to give up 3 picks for him. Take the 2 R1 picks and move on especially if he doesn't want to be here.

Trade 51, 57 65 & 73 to a club needing points to match a bid in the 30s like Carlton or Adelaide

Head to draft with 1, 5(?), 9, 13, 21, 22 & 23, plus our 2025 R1, Brisbane 2025 R1, our 2025 R2, WCE 2025 R2.

 

[tigs2010]

If that happens, I'll need therapy to forget Meyer, Polo, Pattison

But this time we have pick 5 instead of 4

 

[Danog]

Current picks 1, 21, 33, 39, 41, 51, 57, 65, 73

Graham to WCE for band 3 compo = 22

33, 39 & 41 to Brisbane for 2025 R1 pick

Rioli to Suns for 5, straight up. Daniel isn't worth pick 5 but given he is contracted until 2027 that's the price is the Suns want him, take it or leave it.

Baker to WCE for 2024 & 2025 R2 picks = 23(2024) & 19-22 range for 2025

Bolton to Fremantle for 9 & 13. Understand that people want 3 R1 picks, but no club is going to give up 3 picks for him. Take the 2 R1 picks and move on especially if he doesn't want to be here.

Trade 51, 57 65 & 73 to a club needing points to match a bid in the 30s like Carlton or Adelaide

Head to draft with 1, 5(?), 9, 13, 21, 22 & 23, plus our 2025 R1, Brisbane 2025 R1, our 2025 R2, WCE 2025 R2.

 

[Charlie Pannam]

Current picks 1, 21, 33, 39, 41, 51, 57, 65, 73

Graham to WCE for band 3 compo = 22

33, 39 & 41 to Brisbane for 2025 R1 pick

Rioli to Suns for 5, straight up. Daniel isn't worth pick 5 but given he is contracted until 2027 that's the price is the Suns want him, take it or leave it.

Baker to WCE for 2024 & 2025 R2 picks = 23(2024) & 19-22 range for 2025

Bolton to Fremantle for 9 & 13. Understand that people want 3 R1 picks, but no club is going to give up 3 picks for him. Take the 2 R1 picks and move on especially if he doesn't want to be here.

Trade 51, 57 65 & 73 to a club needing points to match a bid in the 30s like Carlton or Adelaide

Head to draft with 1, 5(?), 9, 13, 21, 22 & 23, plus our 2025 R1, Brisbane 2025 R1, our 2025 R2, WCE 2025 R2.

We just got to get more for Bolton than that. If that means getting multiple clubs involved or a future r1 pick on top of that then get it done. We’ve absolutely got the whip hand in this one, it can’t be unders has to be overs.

 

[Mr Magic]

If there is no clear cut #1 then why care if we trade #1 when we are seemingly as good a chance to get the better player at #5 as we are at #1 - and in fact may get our first preference at #5 anyway …. If we can parlay #1 into 5 and another first rounder this year or next I’d suggest this year seems the perfect year to do it.

#1 has no value if there is a blanket over the first half dozen picks.


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because there is a clear cut 1 and 2 etc.., it is just BS

 

[Wavvey]

I think people are under valuing the power of pick #1. Us fans may value it less because their isn’t a Harley Reid in this draft who is clear number one, but recruiters do not think that way. Every teams recruitment will have someone who they are enamoured with. Pick 1 allows them to take that player without any risk of someone else nabbing the player before them.

I’m all for trading down if possible (difficult trade to make), but it’s probably more than likely that Toce, Blair and others have a player in mind that they want. It’s more likely they’ll just want to take him without any risk of missing out.

 

[tigerfan1961]

I think people are under valuing the power of pick #1. Us fans may value it less because their isn’t a Harley Reid in this draft who is clear number one, but recruiters do not think that way. Every teams recruitment will have someone who they are enamoured with. Pick 1 allows them to take that player without any risk of someone else nabbing the player before them.

I’m all for trading down if possible (difficult trade to make), but it’s probably more than likely that Toce, Blair and others have a player in mind that they want. It’s more likely they’ll just want to take him without any risk of missing out.

I truly hope that’s the case. Keep it and take the player you covet the most, it’s not that difficult. Don’t care at all that this is an even draft with no clear standout at this point, pick one guarantees you get the player you rate the best. USE IT to your advantage

 

[tiger_tough]

33, 39 & 41 to Brisbane for 2025 R1 pick

Wut? Why would they do that? They need points this year. Even if they didnt, that's a horrific deal for Lions.

Edit. I should say they need way more points than that.

 

[Mr Magic]

We just got to get more for Bolton than that. If that means getting multiple clubs involved or a future r1 pick on top of that then get it done. We’ve absolutely got the whip hand in this one, it can’t be unders has to be overs.

or we do not trade him.

Bolton knows we should not be morons, like I said he is mature and not a fool.

If he is not traded he could well be traded in the next few years regardless which might suit himself more.

If Bolton is not traded it is not like we would be saying Bolton, f.. you we are running you over, rather, we are carefully managing the interests of the best interests of everyone, including his and his family etc.. including consultation and support

 

[Mr Magic]

Wut? Why would they do that? They need points this year. Even if they didnt, that's a horrific deal for Lions.

Edit. I should say they need way more points than that.

Why would we do that???

at the end of the day, draft picks are only worth the players we pick. If our club picks duds it does not matter what picks they are they are still duds

 

[tigerfan1961]

If Bolton asks for a trade for family reasons, we won’t be keeping him imo. And I agree we should release him, but….. cost needs to be high for the suitor as his talent is off the charts, especially in a good side.
Will be interesting to see what Blair manages to extract for not only Shai if he’s traded, but any of the others potentially seeking new pastures.

 

[Tiger_4_Life]

If he has half the spirit of elbows Conca I'm sold
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