List Mgmt. Trade & Free Agency talk Pt 8

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List Mgmt. - Trade & Free Agency Part 9

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[tiger_tough]

Zurhaar was pretty good tonight with 4 goals and 2 goal assists.....

 

[THE_GUN]

Zurhaar was pretty good tonight with 4 goals and 2 goal assists.....

Pass he is a conditional footballer that plays for himself

 

[Drunken Wookie]

Pass he is a conditional footballer that plays for himself

Can tell his teammates don't like him.

 

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I don't believe this is true the Bolton part for one reason Baker may have met them, Richmond has already shut down the Bolton news so it would be pointless him meeting West Coast.

We may have shut down the Bolton talk, doesn't mean he isn't still looking at options especially if he feels we're a few years away

 

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Any players that aren't fully invested into what Yzes vision is should be moved on for the best deal possible.

 

[YeOldTiger]

Nobody has gone anywhere yet.

No need to start ripping down the institutions that won the club 3 flags and wetting the bed.

A week ago every was saying how invested Bakes was (geeing the boys up in the VFL huddle and speaking well about the direction of the club).

The club has said that Bolton isn't for trade so (unless Bolton comes to us with a desire to go home - extremely unlikely given his lifestyle circumstances) he isn't going anywhere.

There was a media function in Perth yesterday where Shai made an appearance for a charity run and there would have been Eagles and Dockers people everywhere and it's easy for the media to try to throw something and hope it sticks.

It made great back page headlines. It helps the Western teams cause if there's speculation. Believe it when it happens.

 

[Tonythetiger]

As much as we could lose players jumping off the ship, we were an attractive destination only a couple of seasons ago with us picking up both Taranto and Hopper. The guys that have achieved the ultimate success with us and are young enough and talented enough to seek a flag elsewhere, I get it

With that said, with all the injuries this season and having a new coach, it's not all doom and gloom here. We have finally gotten decent development into a bunch of players consistently this year and it bodes well for the future. We are in such an interesting position here where the old guard is on borrowed time, the young guys are still developing and some of the mid 20s age range guys are weighing up their options.

West Coast, Collingwood and Melbourne all rebounded off bottom to finishes to win a flag within 3 years I think it was. I don't think that's in our future but it's not beyond the realm of possibilities that we can rebound back up the ladder pretty quickly with a full team available and with us becoming an attractive destination again.

 

[db26]

Any players that aren't fully invested into what Yzes vision is should be moved on for the best deal possible.

who's in stays who wants out see ya later star or star.

 

[panatha1908]

As much as we could lose players jumping off the ship, we were an attractive destination only a couple of seasons ago with us picking up both Taranto and Hopper. The guys that have achieved the ultimate success with us and are young enough and talented enough to seek a flag elsewhere, I get it

With that said, with all the injuries this season and having a new coach, it's not all doom and gloom here. We have finally gotten decent development into a bunch of players consistently this year and it bodes well for the future. We are in such an interesting position here where the old guard is on borrowed time, the young guys are still developing and some of the mid 20s age range guys are weighing up their options.

West Coast, Collingwood and Melbourne all rebounded off bottom to finishes to win a flag within 3 years I think it was. I don't think that's in our future but it's not beyond the realm of possibilities that we can rebound back up the ladder pretty quickly with a full team available and with us becoming an attractive destination again.

Absolutely. The games into the young players this year have been gold, but also the chance to see everyone under pressure so we can turn over who we need to.

We have lots of top 50 picks this year and brought players in in the last few drafts. The dilemma we have is a good one to have, better than the Hawks and WC, where we can accelerate rebuild further if anyone with value decides to leave, e.g Graham for a free agent pick. Rioli, bolton, baker, broad are the other ones that have been discussed, each with differing returns. Is there word on anyone else looking elsewhere?

So this and next year we bring in the new group and let them grow together.

The only other question is how quickly we retire off the older players, but I think mostly the ones whose bodies are breaking down are to go, and then those left teach the younger ones To help them get an idea, I'm still confident it's two good drafts and then free agents, but we definitely need some A grade draft talent.

 

[Danog]

Pfffft, who gives a shit. You reckon we were talking spoons while Cotchin, Martin, Jack, Rance (a priority pick because we were no good) and others were winning flags? It’s the system. We would be absolute FW’s to let pride get in the way of absolutely getting the kid we want.

You mean picks 2, 3, 13, and 18?

There's no Harley Reid. Pick 2 is fine.

 

[RJK Tiger]

IF........ the reports are true around Baker, Bolton & Rioli are having meetings with other teams mid-season......


....... Then it's time to be getting worried.

 

[RJK Tiger]

Reckon we had to have another crack with Dusty, Cotch, Jack still there and getting a pick 12 was not going to help short term.
Didn’t work out unfortunately but absolutely worth the throw at the stumps, and to be fair maybe Weddle is the only one I can see from that draft I would’ve liked to get.
Taranto has been huge and Hopper solid when fit, and they’ll be important in the next 5 years.
* our biggest issue is the ratsh1t fitness regime and assistant coaches.

I don't think the club ever owes it to their players to mortgage the future for unrealistic attempts. During 2021 to became obvious we were never realistically a chance, don't agree with the "we owe it to them" stance. These guys have been incredibly lucky to win 3 flags, Richo never even won 3 finals. I think once the club starts making moves about "legacy" its basically Rome on Fire stuff.

 

[RJK Tiger]

Any players that aren't fully invested into what Yzes vision is should be moved on for the best deal possible.

You can't say that until you have actually seen what Yze's vision is.

What is Yze's vision? Does anyone know? I've found his handling of pressers so far to be rather same, ho-hum. If his vision requires tearing the entire foundations of the clubs elite players to bits, then I think we need to be given some clearer vision of what his actual vision is. He needs to be getting on the front foot and showing he is a leader that we should trust to let our best talent leave

I trust Baker, Rioli & Bolton FAR FAR more than Adem "2-11" Yze

 

[SleepingGiant]

You can't say that until you have actually seen what Yze's vision is.

What is Yze's vision? Does anyone know? I've found his handling of pressers so far to be rather same, ho-hum. If his vision requires tearing the entire foundations of the clubs elite players to bits, then I think we need to be given some clearer vision of what his actual vision is. He needs to be getting on the front foot and showing he is a leader that we should trust to let our best talent leave

I trust Baker, Rioli & Bolton FAR FAR more than Adem "2-11" Yze

Yze will be a rebuilding coach. Here to give us three good years of punch taking while we gobble up some elite talent.

 

[Tigerbob]

Watching Josh Tracey from Fremantle, he’s a very nice tall forward. Love his aggression.

Nice leap, great mark and good kick for goal.

There’s no reason Josh Gibcus with some kilos can’t be as good if not better.

We also have Campbell Gray, Liam Fawcett and draft opportunity KF to develop.

I’m hoping Blight can translate his game to the AFL. Would help us with our structure no end.

 

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You can't say that until you have actually seen what Yze's vision is.

What is Yze's vision? Does anyone know? I've found his handling of pressers so far to be rather same, ho-hum. If his vision requires tearing the entire foundations of the clubs elite players to bits, then I think we need to be given some clearer vision of what his actual vision is. He needs to be getting on the front foot and showing he is a leader that we should trust to let our best talent leave

I trust Baker, Rioli & Bolton FAR FAR more than Adem "2-11" Yze

Actually you can.

The board and inner sanctum of the club would be well aware of what Yzes vision is for the club moving forward, after all they appointed him as head coach on the back of him selling them his vision. Since his first session in charge he would have also been selling the same vision to the playing list and any player who isn't 100% committed to making that come to fruition should be moved on.

You just said yourself that the club shouldn't mortgage it's future for unrealistic attempts at winning flags, well the club shouldn't piss away it's future holding on to players not fully invested in trying to achieve the coaches vision for how the team should play to achieve success.

That was a key part of what made us the side we were from 2017-2020. The whole place had brought in to what Hardwick was looking to build, and there should be no different expectation with Yze in charge.

 

[captain blood 17]

You mean picks 2, 3, 13, and 18?

There's no Harley Reid. Pick 2 is fine.

Yep, and Delidio was piiiiiick……?

 

[Danog]

Yep, and Delidio was piiiiiick……?

And he was involved in how many premierships?

If we had 2nd pick instead of 1st, we would've picked Roughead. I'd say he had a pretty OK career, wouldn't you?

 

[Karp3_dm]

Bakes and Graham for Treacy in a heart beat pls

 

[captain blood 17]

And then don’t forget Caddy, Prestia and Lynch were all top 10 picks as well.
Point is, you need as many high end picks as you can get in to be successful.

 

[captain blood 17]

And he was involved in how many premierships?

If we had 2nd pick instead of 1st, we would've picked Roughead. I'd say he had a pretty OK career, wouldn't you?

We had Roughy slated for pick 4, but the hawks gazunped us there. So you’re actually not correct there.
And Delidio chose to leave and we facilitated it. He played some great footy for us.

 

[theflea#3]

I don't think the club ever owes it to their players to mortgage the future for unrealistic attempts. During 2021 to became obvious we were never realistically a chance, don't agree with the "we owe it to them" stance. These guys have been incredibly lucky to win 3 flags, Richo never even won 3 finals. I think once the club starts making moves about "legacy" its basically Rome on Fire stuff.

I don’t think it’s about the players but more so for the club. you don’t get that level of talent often & especially after suffering thru 37 years of shite you have to squeeze every drop out of it.

 

[Danog]

We had Roughy slated for pick 4, but the hawks gazunped us there. So you’re actually not correct there.
And Delidio chose to leave and we facilitated it. He played some great footy for us.

We wanted Lids, then Roughhead.

Hawks knew this, so they took Roughead knowing we wouldn't pick Buddy.

 

[Danog]

And then don’t forget Caddy, Prestia and Lynch were all top 10 picks as well.
Point is, you need as many high end picks as you can get in to be successful.

Yes. Top 10 picks. Not the #1 pick. That's what we're talking about.

I'd much rather win as much as possible, avoiding a loser culture for our young players, while still finishing 17th and getting pick 2 in a draft where you can throw a blanket over the top 2 or 3.

 

[Tigerbob]

I don’t think Bakes goes to Fremantle. I really think if he goes it’s to West Coast only. Which makes our dealings for him very hard. They ain’t giving pick 3, so will need to be desperate enough to split that pick or find another first rounder. Can see it a mile away, if he does want to go and does only want to go to the Eagles, it’s a late trade.

Hoping he stays, heard positivity around it but the bye week and meeting those clubs could have changed that.

Bolton the club have said no to trading out. But these things can change. If Freo miss out on Baker, they may go desperate to land Bolton and offer a hell of a lot.