List Mgmt. Trade: Geelong trades Paul Chapman to Essendon for National Draft 5th Round selection

[JackFlash]

Chapman must stay at least one more year, if we get 12-14 games out of Chappy in 2014 it will be worth it. If they can manage him through the year he will repay us twofold, he would've made the difference in last weeks game. Who will do better?

 

[romeoh]

Well, it's pretty early to make definitive statements, but the recruits during the last offseason haven't looked too flash so far. And we delisted a guy from our rookie list who is a pretty good chance to do a VFL/AFL premiership double for 2013 two days from now. The year before that, they didn't have to delist anyone, as far as I remember (everyone retired). This is the biggest delist/retain decision I can remember the club having to make off the top of my head and only because the club doesn't seem to want to do what appears bleedingly obvious to us.

Yep but my understanding is that the club wants to focus on midfielders who can run through the middle and kick goals-Chappy dosn't fit into that does he? Surely they want Murdoch,GHS, Smedts, Bundy, Caddy etc to learn, get better at that role?
I hope they keep Chappy but they have their plans- he has 3 flags and a Norm Smith and I have no dount the club will treat him honourably.
Would you have kept Simpkin?

 

[MC Extra Dollop]

How many do you that he might kick?....I reckon I'd pencil him in for at least a couple if not more.

Having seen what Monfries and McGrath did to us, I reckon he could break Fred Fanning's record.

 

[dazbroncos]

Chapman must stay at least one more year, if we get 12-14 games out of Chappy in 2014 it will be worth it. If they can manage him through the year he will repay us twofold, he would've made the difference in last weeks game. Who will do better?

Ive given you plenty for some of the dribble you have spouted but on this I agree 100%. Well said.

Go Catters

 

[JackFlash]

Ive given you plenty for some of the dribble you have spouted but on this I agree 100%. Well said.

Go Catters

I dribble a lot i know, but i love Chappy!

 

[MC Extra Dollop]

Yep but my understanding is that the club wants to focus on midfielders who can run through the middle and kick goals-Chappy dosn't fit into that does he?

I must be misunderstanding. Chapman does run through the midfield and kick goals. That's precisely what he does.

Surely they want Murdoch,GHS, Smedts, Bundy, Caddy etc to learn, get better at that role?

Christensen and Caddy are already in the 22. GHS will probably be there with Corey's anticipated retirement. And I don't think Murdoch and Smedts are necessarily competing with Chapman for a spot anyway, as all three can play a variety of roles.

I hope they keep Chappy but they have their plans- he has 3 flags and a Norm Smith and I have no dount the club will treat him honourably.
Would you have kept Simpkin?

It doesn't sound like Chapman is particularly happy with how the club is treating him at the moment and I don't blame him. I was Simpkin's #1 fan on here last year. If the decision had been up to me last year, I probably would have kept Simpkin and ditched Sheringham, though I believe (and this is just my own crackpot theory) there was probably an agreement between Geelong, Hawthorn and Simpkin that if we delisted him from the rookie list, Hawthorn would pick him up immediately and give him a spot on its senior list. It's easy in hindsight, but Simpkin has been a lot better than Stringer this year.

 

[JackFlash]

Yep but my understanding is that the club wants to focus on midfielders who can run through the middle and kick goals-Chappy dosn't fit into that does he? Surely they want Murdoch,GHS, Smedts, Bundy, Caddy etc to learn, get better at that role?
I hope they keep Chappy but they have their plans- he has 3 flags and a Norm Smith and I have no dount the club will treat him honourably.
Would you have kept Simpkin?

Is there room for a stand alone small forward? Chapman's experience and effort around goal must surely count for something?

 

[geelong_boy]

It doesn't sound like Chapman is particularly happy with how the club is treating him at the moment and I don't blame him. I was Simpkin's #1 fan on here last year. If the decision had been up to me last year, I probably would have kept Simpkin and ditched Sheringham, though I believe (and this is just my own crackpot theory) there was probably an agreement between Geelong, Hawthorn and Simpkin that if we delisted him from the rookie list, Hawthorn would pick him up immediately and give him a spot on its senior list. It's easy in hindsight, but Simpkin has been a lot better than Stringer this year.

Simpkin had already been on the rookie list for three years, yeah? So it was either upgrade or delist. List squeeze, trade and draft requirements meant he was gone.

Agree that Simpkin has been better than Stringer this year but Stringer 2012 was better than this year's injury interrupted Stringer. Plus Stringer is a few years younger so hopefully there's improvement to come.

Chappy is a killer. Of course we all love him, respect him as a player and what he's done for the club but we simply have to trust the decisions of those in the know.

 

[MC Extra Dollop]

Simpkin had already been on the rookie list for three years, yeah? So it was either upgrade or delist. List squeeze, trade and draft requirements meant he was gone.

No, he had one more year to go.

 

[Catdynasty]

As much as I love the bloke Chappy doesn't get another year for me. If we are to regenerate this list without bottoming out we need to get games into Smedts, Schroder, GHS etc plus any kid we draft from this year on. I'd rather think about the future and watch these kids grow instead of watching Chap push himself through his final year.

 

[geelong_boy]

No, he had one more year to go.

Fair enough.

 

[romeoh]

Is there room for a stand alone small forward? Chapman's experience and effort around goal must surely count for something?

Yep I agree and I if it were up to me, I would keep him for that role-but it looks like the club wants more versatillity. And as you said, he would have made a diff, the other night-but so would a tagger on Mitchell-who knows what the thinking is sometimes? but I try to trust them.

 

[romeoh]

I must be misunderstanding. Chapman does run through the midfield and kick goals. That's precisely what he does.



Christensen and Caddy are already in the 22. GHS will probably be there with Corey's anticipated retirement. And I don't think Murdoch and Smedts are necessarily competing with Chapman for a spot anyway, as all three can play a variety of roles.



It doesn't sound like Chapman is particularly happy with how the club is treating him at the moment and I don't blame him. I was Simpkin's #1 fan on here last year. If the decision had been up to me last year, I probably would have kept Simpkin and ditched Sheringham, though I believe (and this is just my own crackpot theory) there was probably an agreement between Geelong, Hawthorn and Simpkin that if we delisted him from the rookie list, Hawthorn would pick him up immediately and give him a spot on its senior list. It's easy in hindsight, but Simpkin has been a lot better than Stringer this year.

Yep the Simpkin thing in retrospect he is going ok( although I dont think he will get the game on Saturday, and I dont think the hawks will win but good luck to him!)
Chapman doesn't seem unhappy-he just wants to know-he loves football and wants to play on. We got 8 games out of Chappy this year-he isn't getting younger and his hammys are probs not up to heavy midfield rotations?
Will he be there for our '2015' flag assault? The young guys are the ones who need games and experience and the future beckons.
Chappy is one of my alltime favourite players, and I will be over the moon if he stays, but nothing lasts forever.

 

[MC Extra Dollop]

Yep the Simpkin thing in retrospect he is going ok( although I dont think he will get the game on Saturday, and I dont think the hawks will win but good luck to him!)
Chapman doesn't seem unhappy-he just wants to know-he loves football and wants to play on. We got 8 games out of Chappy this year-he isn't getting younger and his hammys are probs not up to heavy midfield rotations?
Will he be there for our '2015' flag assault? The young guys are the ones who need games and experience and the future beckons.
Chappy is one of my alltime favourite players, and I will be over the moon if he stays, but nothing lasts forever.

I just don't see why his hamstring issues should be considered anything but an anomaly this year, since he's practically been injury-free for the previous three and considering he played extremely well before his injury and from the moment he returned to AFL footy. And I think he could easily still be in the league in 2015, considering what an absolute weapon he could be as a designated sub (like Giansiracusa was this year).

 

[meto]

I just don't see why his hamstring issues should be considered anything but an anomaly this year, since he's practically been injury-free for the previous three and considering he played extremely well before his injury and from the moment he returned to AFL footy. And I think he could easily still be in the league in 2015, considering what an absolute weapon he could be as a designated sub (like Giansiracusa was this year).

He also averaged 20.+ possessions a game kicked a dozen and had to wear the subs for part-time play, had 26 possessions vs Swans then made sub for his 250th, saved the game vs Brisbane (three times) kicked a late goal, a goal sq smother and the touched behind.
Seriously it's embarrassing having to talk him up this way, it should be clear recent history in everybody's mind.
Whereever he ends up I hope he does real well.

 

[romeoh]

I just don't see why his hamstring issues should be considered anything but an anomaly this year, since he's practically been injury-free for the previous three and considering he played extremely well before his injury and from the moment he returned to AFL footy. And I think he could easily still be in the league in 2015, considering what an absolute weapon he could be as a designated sub (like Giansiracusa was this year).

Yep and you might be right about that-but he is 32 and once the body starts to deteriorate-it can go pretty quickly from what I have seen. The sub role would be great and I hope he plays on for us, but am prepared for anything.

 

[bigfarter]

When you do see the list of our players 29+, it does become clear why the club want to move at least 3 on... the problem is that Chappy just should not be one of the first cabs off the rank. With Vardy, Kersten and presumably Walker around to play forward next year, I'd move on Pods before I would Chappy who, as has been stated in this thread, has no ready-made replacement waiting in the 2s.

I'll be deeply saddened and quite furious if Chappy is moved on and I have to watch him line up for a different team against us. Imagine him kicking goals against us for Collingwood. Great memories of the '09 Prelim would suddenly be tinged with a slight sadness and queasiness.

I do get the idea - we need a better age spread in our 22 and we have too many old guys. Hell, Jimmy could go forward next year and potentially play the Chappy role. That being said, if we can't find a spot on the list for Chappy for just one more year, it will be the first decision made by the club in a long time that I will feel is blatantly wrong and I will require Chris Scott and Neil Balme giving a bloody good reasoning.

 

[FoxC]

If Chappy goes to another club, I don't think I'll get a membership next year as a protest. Just for the one year. Love this club, but monumentally stupid to have HMac signed up who has literally done nothing all year except pull down a big salary, and not Chappy who has probably sacrificed $1mill plus over the journey, is the club's best ever finals player, and basically told the entire club to wake up after we were 2-3 early in 2007. A disgrace if true. Hopefully, they wise up and give him another year. Mooney was no good in his last year, but he hung around was a team player and inspired Hawkins to become a star and win the 2011 flag. Chappy can mentor a young kid to greatness. Make it happen Cats!

I suggest that you ring the club and let the powers that be know about your plan now, instead of waiting until after Chappy has been pushed out. I just did that and if Chappy is not offered a new deal I will not renew my membership until whoever is responsible for this leaves the club. I'm just one insignificant member but for me it's a matter of principle.

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[Partridge]

I love Chappy and think 1 more year sounds ok, but if it doesn't happen I wll get over it, unlike some of you tough guys. What has balme gotten wrong?

Recruiting McIntosh for one thing. Rivers hasn't quite been the superstar extra defender we'd hoped for either. All those who were lauding how great he was have been conspicuously silent after his inability to handle Hale.

 

[Partridge]

Having seen what Monfries and McGrath did to us, I reckon he could break Fred Fanning's record.

Don't worry, that won't happen. They'll put Bartel on him.

 

[JUBJUB]

If Chappy goes to another club, I don't think I'll get a membership next year as a protest.

Here is the door....



....don't let it hit you on the arse on the way out

 

[Partridge]

Yep and you might be right about that-but he is 32 and once the body starts to deteriorate-it can go pretty quickly from what I have seen. The sub role would be great and I hope he plays on for us, but am prepared for anything.

Yes. Agree absolutely with what you say. And I've got no problem at all with making tough calls. More than most on here. But here's the most critical point - among our veterans he's looking better - right now - than any of them apart from Enright.

I'll give you a list of names that I'm 99% certain are in much worse shape than Chapman - Corey (will retire), Josh Hunt (will retire), Podsiadly, Lonergan, and Kelly. I would right now easily prefer Chapman to any of them. Watching Kelly run against Hawthorn was like watching a sloth wrestle in quicksand. I don't think we can afford to play Lonergan and have Brown in the VFL. I don't think we can afford to have Pods in and play Kersten (especially) or Walker in the VFL. I really think Kelly is in big, big trouble, and either Schroder or Smedts or someone needs to be groomed fast to take over.

They all require tough decisions. But making tough decisions doesn't mean making stupid ones. Delisting Chapman because he's older than they are would be idiotic.

 

[Partridge]

Really ATM, what's in the reserves????....I think we're deluding ourselves if we think George Burbs or Billie Smedts are going to fill Chappy's shoes next year. In 5 games or so he's kicked 12 goals even having to wear the subs vest.I think the Pies will snap him up!

Agree on Burbury. To be fair to Smedts not sure he's the same sort of player anyway. Besides which he's already on the list, we don't need to give anyone the chop to accommodate him.

 

[Baudolino]

Watching Kelly run against Hawthorn was like watching a sloth wrestle in quicksand.

What simile would you use to describe GHS when he's running?

 

[Partridge]

What simile would you use to describe GHS when he's running?

A baby sloth.

One that is 9 years younger.