Mega Thread Trade Period: Lets get that delisted guy. He could be good, yeah?

[nickrebellious]

Have a look at Frawley who will become a FA when Lake's contract ends.

 

[lickmerocks]

If buddy is gone we have 1.2 to chase.

1.James Frawley ( 500 per year)- get him into the right set up and is a superstar in waiting. Can play on bigs and smalls and is strong as an ox and becomes our rock for the next 7 years.
2. Billy Longer ( 200 per year) star in the making. Brisbane should never have taken him. 10-12 year ruckman for us.
3. I would look at any quality mid with pace out there who is keen to become a Hawk. I would also look at Dayle Garlett,

 

[Livinthedream]

That's a croc of shi*t. You continually act as if no other player is good enough to play for the Hawthorn FC and everyone on our list are all superstars.

He has many qualities that would compliment our side, he has pace, ball carrying ability, breaks the lines and he has an elite tank. The point is moot either way, Carlton won't be willing to give up one of there better players, they don't have many to start with, and if they were, it would have to be a deal that absolutely rips us off.

Walker has disposal efficiency of 77% from 22.7 disposals.....hardly a turnover merchant.

To put it into perspective

Lewis 73% from 22.2 disposals.
Hodge 68.9% from 22.1
Smith 70.7% from 20.7
Burgoyne 72.2% from 19.7 disposals
Hill 67% from 16.3
Shiels 65.3% from 16.8
Sewell 66.3% from 20.6
Mitchell 73.5% from 28.7

Well said, thank you!

I think Walker is the exact prototype we should be looking at.
Stick him on a wing in our side and gee we look a different side.

Putting a few things together of late I think that Grimley could be in our long term plans more than one of Bailey and Hale so I'm almost expecting GWS to put in a sizeable offer to Big Max.
Ellis goes and the Bailey/Ellis money would be enough for Walker.
GWS give us their 2nd round pick for Max and we give our first pick to Carlton and exchange later picks.

That's my 2 cents anyway

 

[dipper86]

Well said, thank you!

I think Walker is the exact prototype we should be looking at.
Stick him on a wing in our side and gee we look a different side.

What they would be wanting for him means we are absolutely and utterly no chance in getting him.......Your post was nothing more than a tease/pipedream

He is the prototype of player we should be looking for in saying that they are mighty hard to find.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

There will come a time one day when both Lake and Gibson retire. We know that Schoenmakers is our Center half back for the next decade. But who will be our future full back? This is one area we need to fill going forward. I reckon we need to recruit at least one more young key defender within the next couple of years to develop so when the time does comes when Lake and Gibson aren't there, that player can step in and take over that role.

What would you call Brand and Bosely?

I'd have no issue with Bosely being cut, and then drafting another key back youngster, but to grab one when we already has many hopefuls on our list is just going to give us an inbalance going forward.

 

[Steven Tyler]

Well said, thank you!

I think Walker is the exact prototype we should be looking at.
Stick him on a wing in our side and gee we look a different side.

Putting a few things together of late I think that Grimley could be in our long term plans more than one of Bailey and Hale so I'm almost expecting GWS to put in a sizeable offer to Big Max.
Ellis goes and the Bailey/Ellis money would be enough for Walker.
GWS give us their 2nd round pick for Max and we give our first pick to Carlton and exchange later picks.

That's my 2 cents anyway

Bad on 2 fronts for me:
Max is our best ruck man
Max is a restricted free agent, GWS don't need to offer a trade

 

[streetspirit]

Actually an unrestricted free agent [user]buddy marvellous[/user] so we don't even get a chance to match another offer. If Max - while unlikely in my opinion - wants to go elsewhere, he can just walk, like Murph did last year.

 

[dipper86]

Actually an unrestricted free agent [user]buddy marvellous[/user] so we don't even get a change to match another offer. If Max - while unlikely in my opinion - wants to go elsewhere, he can just walk, like Murph did last year.

How is he unrestricted when he was drafted in 2005, whilst Buddy is a restricted agent drafted in 2004.....what determines restricted and unrestricted....

 

[jd1991]

Well said, thank you!

I think Walker is the exact prototype we should be looking at.
Stick him on a wing in our side and gee we look a different side.

Putting a few things together of late I think that Grimley could be in our long term plans more than one of Bailey and Hale so I'm almost expecting GWS to put in a sizeable offer to Big Max.
Ellis goes and the Bailey/Ellis money would be enough for Walker.
GWS give us their 2nd round pick for Max and we give our first pick to Carlton and exchange later picks.

That's my 2 cents anyway

There are a number of rucks GWS could go for. It will not be a problem for them. Giles is servicable, can play the 2nd ruck or number 1. It depends on which way GWS wish to go. If Brisbane are out to get pick 1, then it could be Longer, with Giles as number 1, Longer as number 2. If they are out for a ready made ruck, there will be Mumford probably at the top of there list. With Pykes development at the swans, he may become surplus to requirements, so is expandable and Sydney can get a young bloke/draft pick of consequence. Then there is Currie at North, Warnock/Hampson at Carlton, Bailey as you have mentioned at the Hawks, even Bellchambers from Essendon. SO there is a number of options for GWS, so I cant see big dollars will be thrown Max's way. They could even go Witts from Collingwood - an ex Sydney sider.

Unless Walker is an unrestricted free agent, as others have mentioned would have to pay overs to get him. With our current list/pay structure (guessing) I cant see us been able to meet Carlton's demands even if Walker wished to come to us.

 

[jd1991]

How is he unrestricted when he was drafted in 2005, whilst Buddy is a restricted agent drafted in 2004.....what determines restricted and unrestricted....

Its not a straight fwd rule.
After 7 years you can be unrestricted if you are not in the top 10 players paid on the list. As Buddy is in that category and Max is not, he becomes unrestricted earlier than Franklin.
The rule was developed this way to provide an easier outlet/bigger bargaining ability for those in that middle tier, that were considered after thoughts in years gone past.

 

[dipper86]

Its not a straight fwd rule.
After 7 years you can be unrestricted if you are not in the top 10 players paid on the list. As Buddy is in that category and Max is not, he becomes unrestricted earlier than Franklin.
The rule was developed this way to provide an easier outlet/bigger bargaining ability for those in that middle tier, that were considered after thoughts in years gone past.

Cheers for the explanation.

 

[Steven Tyler]

Actually an unrestricted free agent [user]buddy marvellous[/user] so we don't even get a chance to match another offer. If Max - while unlikely in my opinion - wants to go elsewhere, he can just walk, like Murph did last year.

Yep, your right, cheers
I don't think Max would want to leave, and I don't think, with Max's history of injury, GWS would chase him

 

[riolimagic]

in today courier mail we are liking at longer. last year we went hard for Charlie Dickson. I find both these strange would be worried If I was bailey and hail they obviously don't rate them

 

[Beandip]

Man, if we'd gotten charlie Dixon we'd have been laughing... he will be a very, very good player.

Personally I don't rate Hale or Bailey above most clubs 2nd ruckmen, and still view this as a major deficiency for us, so I would be chuffed with getting Longer (or Mumford) - it would be great to have a ruckman with some presence, who can jump, who is mobile, who can take a pack mark (all Hale does is put his arms up, and while he's tall he rarely jumps and meets the ball hands in front).

I think this becomes doubly important when you look at the future of rucks, and see some of the quality other teams have developing on their lists; while our 'long-term' prospects are very underwhelming, Lowden can't even break the senior team for a go against a crap side and Grimley still has a mountain of learning to do (some of his positioning around contests on the weekend was horrifyingly bad) and at 199cm I'm not sure he can be a No.1 ruck. As for Ceglar, another battler for mine.

I would really love to have a No.1 ruck who can control a game and cause massive headaches for the opposition - at best Hale/Bailey seem to break even. I think Longer is already ahead of Lowden despite being 2yrs his junior.

 

[dipper86]

Story so far rumored interest:


Interests:
Cooney - free agency
Mumford - trade
Adams - trade
Longer - trade

Delistings/retimrement - personal opinion.

Osbourne - retired
Cheeney - delisted
?
?


Possibble free agents or retirements

Ellis- free agent/delisted
Franklin. - free agent
Guerra - retirement
Bailey - free agent


Random Notes:
Longer was pick 8 in the 11 draft with 2 years development - Youd think Brisbane would be after a first round pick or a very good player.
(not sure how we can accommodate him) Our most pressing issue is through the midfield. I don't think we have anything to satisfy the needs of Brisbane. and if we did, I don't think we would be willing to give that up.

Adams- pick 10 2011 draft - This guy should/has to be our main target we should be throwing the kitchen sink at him.
He's an extremely talented aggressive inside mid with pace. A competitive beast. Throw in Anderson and Hallahan and we have the nucleus of a tough uncompromising midfield for the future.
This made me smile.

I understand its reckless.....but what i like most about this is that he's not afraid to get dirty. I like his character, a second year player showng Cooney he's not to be f*cked with.

Mumford---is dependent on what Franklin is doing. He wants money and a long term contract. If we do manage to aquire either mumford or Longer. It would leave our list with Bailey Hale Lowden Grimely ( developing forward) and Ceglar. One would surely have to leave.

Cooney-- dependent on Franklin you would think....available money in the salary cap.

Franklin. If he does decide to leave, I'm hoping its trough a trade.( yes I know they don't have to trade because he's a free agent) Pick 1 is out of the question its just unrealistic. I'd be hoping for GWS second pick and Taylor Adams in return. I think its better than the AFL compensation equivalent of the pick following our first rounder.

 

[xellis]

in today courier mail we are liking at longer. last year we went hard for Charlie Dickson. I find both these strange would be worried If I was bailey and hail they obviously don't rate them

Link?

 

[Roger Rogerson]

Dipper does Adams have pace? Looked a bit of a plodder to me from the highlights I saw. Not an end to end runner - more like our current mids.

 

[dipper86]

Dipper does Adams have pace? Looked a bit of a plodder to me from the highlights I saw. Not an end to end runner - more like our current mids.

He has an explosive type of pace, he's not a speed demon by any stretch....does have some wheels when he needs to use them.

I cant find any highlights at GWS, but i have watched him closely this year.

You can see the explosive pace he possess at around 1.30 going for the run down of a player



Actually below are some brief highlights playing at GWS

 

[Brishawk]

Im not sure whats going on with Jared Polec up at Brisbane, but before the draft he was really highly rated and now cant seem to get a game at brisbane. He may be cheap which is a plus because he is a talent

Has had a lot of injuries. Hasn't had a preseason since being at the club. Has talent but can't string games together. I'd jump if the price was right.

 

[spudmaster]

Melbourne are said to be making a big play for Adams.

 

[Brishawk]

Melbourne are said to be making a big play for Adams.

Poor Adams haha

 

[jd1991]

It seems we are becoming the new collingwood, with anyone off contract been linked with us. For instance if 6 clubs are into Adams, we get linked as we are currently one of the more influential clubs with money (but not in salary cap) successful and can get deals done.
So it sells more papers by mentioning us than a melb or Stkilda

 

[Buddysurkidsdad]

I'd love the club to have a crack at Sam Blease from Melbourne, amazingly he often finds himself on the outer at the Dees. Has some serious wheels about him when up and about and has shown himself to be a goal kicker aswell. It the same old story with all Melbourne players, get him into a better environment and he could flourish.
Also i love the talk of the club being into Longer, he is a big talent and a ruck combo of Longer and Grimley moving forward is very exciting. As mentioned above a pick 8 with 2 years development is going to take a seriously good deal to get the Lions interested and I'm not sure we could get the job done, although in the past if we've wanted someone we've made it happen. I don't see Max ever reaching any great heights and I've also become increasingly frustrated with Hale's lack of influence on games. I think the sooner Grimely can take his spot as 2nd ruck the better

 

[Whistling Hawk]

Yep, I only see Lake and Schoey as keys though.

Unless Heatherly has put on an inch and can add 10 kilos, I can't see him ever being big enough to hold down a key position and we've seen how Gibbo's been handled by some of the bigger, stronger forwards.

Heatherly is 192-194cm depending on where you read it and already 87 kg so I don't think he's too undersized. It wouldn't be unfeasible for him to put on 3-4 kg over each preseason for the next two years to get him up to a decent size so I can see him (purely from a height and weight point of view) being KPD size reasonably soon. I think if you look at all of the best KPD's in the league most of them are around that size (Taylor 193 cm Glass 192 cm, McPharlin 192 cm, Lake 195 cm etc). That could be changing though with guys like Carlisle (200 cm) and even Keefe (204 cm) showing form.

That being said I have never seen Heatherly play so I am not qualifed at all to say whether he'll make it and regardless he is unlikely to play next year. I think overall though we have enough KPD's and possible future KPD's on our list with Lake, Schoenmakers, Gibson, Heatherly, Brand and Bosely.

 

[Brishawk]

Heatherly is 192-194cm depending on where you read it and already 87 kg so I don't think he's too undersized. It wouldn't be unfeasible for him to put on 3-4 kg over each preseason for the next two years to get him up to a decent size so I can see him (purely from a height and weight point of view) being KPD size reasonably soon. I think if you look at all of the best KPD's in the league most of them are around that size (Taylor 193 cm Glass 192 cm, McPharlin 192 cm, Lake 195 cm etc). That could be changing though with guys like Carlisle (200 cm) and even Keefe (204 cm) showing form.

That being said I have never seen Heatherly play so I am not qualifed at all to say whether he'll make it and regardless he is unlikely to play next year. I think overall though we have enough KPD's and possible future KPD's on our list with Lake, Schoenmakers, Gibson, Heatherly, Brand and Bosely.

Heatherly also has an enormous leap. Won't have a problem playing KPD at AFL level.