Trade period / National Draft 2024

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[RobsJourney]

Predicted ladder positions from live ladder https://www.liveladders.com/
SYD
BRIS
FRE
WBD
CARL
GEEL
HAW
GWS
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PORT
ESS
MELB
COLL
GC
STK
ADE
WCE
RICH
NTH

RICH pick 2
GC picks 6, 10
FRE picks 7, 15, 16

Maybe WC will trade pick 3 to FRE for 7 & 15 and then trade 15 for Baker
Trade late picks to Brisbane for pick 17
Trade Rioli to GC for pick 6 & 20

Go the draft with 2,6,15,17, 20,21,22 (Graham compo)

North will smack us next week, we're finishing last fella

 

[GoTigers2015]

North will smack us next week, we're finishing last fella

Probably, can't seeing us winning 2 more games for the year.

 

[tigs2010]

Probably, can't seeing us winning 2 more games for the year.

Assume they have us beating North and GC.

If GC want Rioli we need to set ourselves for that game

 

[GoTigers2015]

Assume they have us beating North and GC.

If GC want Rioli we need to set ourselves for that game

That is the game I would like the most to win.

 

[tigs2010]

That is the game I would like the most to win.

Just saw they now only have us winning 1 more game. Was 2 last week so 1 must have been Pies hahahaha

 

[captain cotch 9]

I wouldnt be against taking a tall at pick 1 if we end up with multiple top 10 picks.
Hear me out...
The mids seem very even. You could throw a blanket over the top 10 from what I've read.
Talls are more critical to wining a flag.
Trainor seems to be the best preformed KPP so far.
I think North will take him at pick 2

Its also not very common to stay at the bottom for long.
Sydney dropped down for 1-2 years then have bobbed back up.
Collingwood did.
GWS did
Geelong even did.

If we draft right this year we can bounce back in 1-2 years

 

[Morro]

You need to settle the **** down Morro

My laugh wasn't at your suggestion at all, it was more a laugh at how passionate some people here get over certain players we all know nothing about, so how about you get off your ****ing high horse for a moment.

Whether we pick Draper, FOS, Smith or Smillie TBH i don't really care, it's not my job as long as whoever the club picks, we choose wisely.

People who get all personal about other opinions need to consider whether the internet forums is for them. I don't need to read your comments if you're going to be like that, I don't know you and personally don't want to know you.

Sorry laughy Boy

I would hardly call my post passionate FFS, simply made a point you dont like, doesnt make it over the top.

Just to confirm though, you dont want to be friends?

 

[Morro]

Sonsie didn't play in his 17th year and barely in his 18th.

Hence he slid down the order even though he showed elite talent before his draft year.

Sooooooo, you could say, you kinda backed up my point

 

[El Duderino]

fos's broken fingers are a bit of a concern, is he fragile? I still like him at 1

 

[tigs2010]

fos's broken fingers are a bit of a concern, is he fragile? I still like him at 1

Osteoporosis setting in early.

 

[Tigerbob]

fos's broken fingers are a bit of a concern, is he fragile? I still like him at 1

My worry is a broken finger has hindered his fitness so much. That GF performance was absolutely putrid and all was said was he was underdone. For a guy even I thought was number one coming into the year, that was shocking. All because of a finger. Some concerns for me.

 

[Charlie Pannam]

Our question is,

Should Jagga Smith be used by our first pick? He's training at the club, killed it in the VFL and is highly touted, but hasn't been floated as a potential pick 1. Do we throw pick 1 at him, or risk watching him taken from pick 6-10.

Another option would be a trade which gives us another pick.

There's a lot of curiosity in my eyes behind Jagga Smith. Think there's a high likelihood we take him with a first pick

Good player, but if we have pick 1 , I just feel it’s too early.
I’ve heard some comparisons to Daicos , but I think Daicos has more strings to his bow than Jagga. Having said that I’d be happy to have him on our list, but somewhere in the 4-8 range.He’d win clearances, but not a big meters gained player and an adequate kick but not elite

The thing is though, who is the standout no 1!! Nobody right now. Drapper is tearing it up in SANFL, so probably on current form deserves no 1 ranking.
I just feel everyone is waiting for Smillie or Lalor to have some big end of season games

 

[Morro]

Good player, but if we have pick 1 , I just feel it’s too early.
I’ve heard some comparisons to Daicos , but I think Daicos has more strings to his bow than Jagga. Having said that I’d be happy to have him on our list, but somewhere in the 4-8 range.He’d win clearances, but not a big meters gained player and an adequate kick but not elite

The thing is though, who is the standout no 1!! Nobody right now. Drapper is tearing it up in SANFL, so probably on current form deserves no 1 ranking.
I just feel everyone is waiting for Smillie or Lalor to have some big end of season games

Daicos is all hurt factor, I dont see the comparison personally, but Jagga has shown a willingness to change his style.

 

[tigs2010]

Good player, but if we have pick 1 , I just feel it’s too early.
I’ve heard some comparisons to Daicos , but I think Daicos has more strings to his bow than Jagga. Having said that I’d be happy to have him on our list, but somewhere in the 4-8 range.He’d win clearances, but not a big meters gained player and an adequate kick but not elite

The thing is though, who is the standout no 1!! Nobody right now. Drapper is tearing it up in SANFL, so probably on current form deserves no 1 ranking.
I just feel everyone is waiting for Smillie or Lalor to have some big end of season games

Smillie has had some monster games. He's criminally underrated on BF because the expectations are so high. I think the fact Ashcroft & Jagga have zero flexibility meant the bloke had to play more forward than he should have at Champs, especially given they also had to give mid minutes to Moraes & Reid.

His average games, by his standards, are still pretty good. I watched him against Gippy he had 26 & 1 and I expected more from him.

 

[Morro]

Smillie has had some monster games. He's criminally underrated on BF because the expectations are so high. I think the fact Ashcroft & Jagga have zero flexibility meant the bloke had to play more forward than he should have at Champs, especially given they also had to give mid minutes to Moraes & Reid.

His average games, by his standards, are still pretty good. I watched him against Gippy he had 26 & 1 and I expected more from him.

we are all so skeptical of the tall mids potential after RCD

 

[Tigerbob]

Smillie has had some monster games. He's criminally underrated on BF because the expectations are so high. I think the fact Ashcroft & Jagga have zero flexibility meant the bloke had to play more forward than he should have at Champs, especially given they also had to give mid minutes to Moraes & Reid.

His average games, by his standards, are still pretty good. I watched him against Gippy he had 26 & 1 and I expected more from him.

Add in scope and he’s certainly in number one thinking. Basically Draper and him are the top choices atm.

 

[tigs2010]

we are all so skeptical of the tall mids potential after RCD

This is true but don't think RCD ever had 30 & 3 playing in the backyard by himself.

Add in scope and he’s certainly in number one thinking. Basically Draper and him are the top choices atm.

They're my top 2 with Draper slightly ahead with his speed. I've still got FOS 3rd, hopefully has a good run home from here.

 

[Charlie Pannam]

Daicos is all hurt factor, I dont see the comparison personally, but Jagga has shown a willingness to change his style.

Would you use pick 1 on him ?
It’s all opinion based and how much improvement you think he has in him, so it’s a fair bit of crystal balling from all of us.
I think it’s a good bet that he’s going to be a very good AFL player and you could argue it’s a safe bet to take him at one, but imo there’s more dynamic options with greater upside.
Also, he’ll get monstered at AFL level, you see the size of AFL mids today, even the shorter mids have body mass/strength.

 

[RockJobster0312]

My worry is a broken finger has hindered his fitness so much. That GF performance was absolutely putrid and all was said was he was underdone. For a guy even I thought was number one coming into the year, that was shocking. All because of a finger. Some concerns for me.

Don’t necessarily disagree, but the issue with any major finger injury is that most Doc’s will often state that no strenuous activity should be undertaken to ensure the finger is kept as stable as possible and not lead to additional injuries. This includes running and a fair chunk of conditioning activities. Certainly was the advice I received on multiple occasions with ny multitude of finger issues.

Additionally, even once recovered it can often take a while to get confident in that anything you do want re-injure it again.

 

[tigs2010]

Would you use pick 1 on him ?
It’s all opinion based and how much improvement you think he has in him, so it’s a fair bit of crystal balling from all of us.
I think it’s a good bet that he’s going to be a very good AFL player and you could argue it’s a safe bet to take him at one, but imo there’s more dynamic options with greater upside.
Also, he’ll get monstered at AFL level, you see the size of AFL mids today, even the shorter mids have body mass/strength.

I wouldn't. Feel like if we'd already had a few bites at the cherry and you were starting to climb and hoping to push for finals he'd be a nice pick as he's plug & play.

 

[Morro]

Would you use pick 1 on him ?
It’s all opinion based and how much improvement you think he has in him, so it’s a fair bit of crystal balling from all of us.
I think it’s a good bet that he’s going to be a very good AFL player and you could argue it’s a safe bet to take him at one, but imo there’s more dynamic options with greater upside.
Also, he’ll get monstered at AFL level, you see the size of AFL mids today, even the shorter mids have body mass/strength.

I wouldnt cry if we did, but I really want a mid in the Draper mould / style, inside, out, explosive from the contest, hard at it, takes territory.

 

[the underdog]

Will Jagga Smith play another VFL game for us or is that it? We've got the Bye this weekend, then play Sandringham in Round 20.

It's a bit frustrating both games he's played have been wet weather matches. I want to see him on a dry day to see if he can still win and create like he does amongst his peers.

I didn't think his game vs Collingwood was great to be honest- and i'm a big Jagga man.

Hopefully we get 1x more game from him and he can really put his name up in lights... maybe sing the song too

 

[Morro]

Will Jagga Smith play another VFL game for us or is that it? We've got the Bye this weekend, then play Sandringham in Round 20.

It's a bit frustrating both games he's played have been wet weather matches. I want to see him on a dry day to see if he can still win and create like he does amongst his peers.

I didn't think his game vs Collingwood was great to be honest- and i'm a big Jagga man.

Hopefully we get 1x more game from him and he can really put his name up in lights... maybe sing the song too

Has one more I believe, and agree, the boy deserves some nice conditions to show case his best footy.

 

[noobermensch]

Much was expected of Day-Wicks entering 2024, but his season has been a mixed bag to this stage. He has bags of talent and x-factor, a powerful athlete and a great size for the medium forward or midfield roles, but he's mercurial and prone to patches in games where he disappears. A solid close to the season could see him fly up draft boards given his attributes.

This game was a bit of a mess given the rain bucketing down which turned the field into a mud heap, but Day-Wicks cut the game open at times. Unfortunately the classic Talent League "Technical Difficulties" lost us a chunk of the fourth quarter including one of his goals.

 

[RobsJourney]

Smillie has had some monster games. He's criminally underrated on BF because the expectations are so high. I think the fact Ashcroft & Jagga have zero flexibility meant the bloke had to play more forward than he should have at Champs, especially given they also had to give mid minutes to Moraes & Reid.

His average games, by his standards, are still pretty good. I watched him against Gippy he had 26 & 1 and I expected more from him.

I'm basing my own opinion of Smillie not so much on numbers, just the "look" of him, and right now he is not my choice.

Just on his "look", the way he moved and the aura he gave off, I would have had Nate Caddy in the top 3 way before the 2023 draft. I feel like I was correct, he already looks one of the best players of that draft. But for whatever reason he slipped as far as he did. He wouldn't have if I had been recruiting (I'm not trying to say I'm some know it all but this was my honest read on Caddy even before the draft).

Smillie, the look/aura he gives me, is someone who jogs a bit and is kind of slow to react, he looks very clumsy at times - look at some of his weird splayed-armed tackle attempts in his highlights where he kind of just falls into the opponent - but the real big one for me is just where his hands/arms are; he takes the footy with arms limp/bent, close to his body. He doesn't seem to really strongly extend his hands, really pluck at the footy with power, he has soft arms that "receive" the ball rather than "take" it, if that makes sense.

At AFL level, that split-second between a player needing to receive the ball closer to their chest with bent arms, rather than plucking at it and being able to just grab it (think Cotchin, how strong his arms and grip looked whenever he plucked at the footy), is HUGE. It will often mean he is being tackled before he is disposing of the ball, and the ball will often spill out given how soft his arms are.

It's something that really stood out to me, he just looks a bit "soft" for his size, not soft in the usual association of the word (I don't mean that he is a panzee), but literally soft.

This might change, but all vision I've seen of him so far shows that limp-arms look. I also don't rate the comparisons to Cripps. I went and looked at the highlights of Cripps pre-draft and he looks the better player at the same age, just moves better, looks "firmer".

I absolutely do hope to be proven wrong though, especially if we draft him.

(sorry for the long reply, it's just hard to convey what I mean)