Trade Talk 2013 - Yeo, Doc, Polec, Karnezis, Longer gone - Welcome Paine, West, Magwon!

[iBeng]

If we have west I can see Martin being delisted.

Did he get a one year contract?

 

[Old Den]

What would you have had us do, force them all into the PSD and get a big fat 0 in return? And how would that help us to keep Mayes and others next year?

I was looking for a post that was bagging Kerr to make the following reply...talk about someone fighting with one hand tied behind their back...I will put it here anyhow.

OK...so you are Rob Kerr and late in the trade period Longer finally says bye bye Brissie I want to be traded to the Saints,I won't go anywhere else just the Saints and the Saints absolutely will not have a bar of giving us 18 or 19 that they hold and as a matter of coincidence the Saints have pick 3 in the PSD.

So what do you do...turn down the very National Draft that pick gave us Jack Redden in an expression of uncontrolled pique?

I am not against refusing to deal in the right circumstances but right now we need that pick and might still get the player that we were hoping to get at 18 or who knows maybe someone better.

 

[Quigley]

Being a bit harsh. I think you'll find they are all decisions made jointly by a number of people. Sure, he does the trading leg work but others sign off.

He is the guy who has assumed control of all of these decisions. He took the power to himself as the ultimate authority. So whilst others have been involved he has the power and the responsibility.

If he stays on some of that power has to devolve to others imo. The scouting at the very least needs to go back to the guys who are actually watching these kids.

 

[Offsider]

I have to agree with this. I am left with the impression that maybe Kerr was going through the motions on his way out the door.

Hard to see that his position is tenable after this:

1. He makes the decision to recruit them
2. He does not get any of them re-signed
3. He trades them for 50 cents on the dollar

Agreed Kerr is on very shaky grounds, especially as it is his job to do the psych assessments on players and interview them. He has come across as a weak negotiator imo.

What are your thoughts on the second round of this years draft?

 

[iBeng]

Random tweet, got a chuckle.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>As part of the trade Jackson Paine gains 3 teeth from Patrick Karnezis and the ability to spell at a high school level. <a href="https://twitter.com/search?q=#AFLTRADES&amp;src=hash">#AFLTRADES</a></p>&mdash; Matt (@BF_CJed) <a href="">October 25, 2013</a></blockquote>
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[Quigley]

Being a bit harsh. I think you'll find they are all decisions made jointly by a number of people. Sure, he does the trading leg work but others sign off.

He is the guy who has assumed control of all of these decisions. He took the power to himself as the ultimate authority. So whilst others have been involved he has the power and the responsibility.

If he stays on some of that power has to devolve to others imo. The drafting at the very least needs to go back to the guys who are actually watching these kids.

 

[Offsider]

I have to agree with this. I am left with the impression that maybe Kerr was going through the motions on his way out the door.

Hard to see that his position is tenable after this:

1. He makes the decision to recruit them
2. He does not get any of them re-signed
3. He trades them for 50 cents on the dollar

Agreed Kerr is on very shaky grounds, especially as it is his job to do the psych assessments on players and interview them. He has come across as a weak negotiator imo.

What are your thoughts on the second round of this years draft?

 

[BlackGun1]

COLLINGWOOD says Patrick Karnezis can be an "elite" third forward who can transform into a top-line midfielder.

LOL

 

[Bucking Beads]

Longer is delusional. Bloody arsehat

 

[The Flying Belgian]

I have to agree with this. I am left with the impression that maybe Kerr was going through the motions on his way out the door.

Hard to see that his position is tenable after this:

1. He makes the decision to recruit them
2. He does not get any of them re-signed
3. He trades them for 50 cents on the dollar

Looks like there was a decision made. Do we make a stand or cut the losses and try to make the best out of a bad situation.

You blokes can pot Kerr et al, but you don't know the full situation. And you can make calls like this without it being your profession or truly knowing what it's like doing what he does. They're cheap shots IMO.I think you tend to focus on "the deal" and what we receive in return (and thus who we might draft) and less on the list management side of things.

I have my criticisms of Kerr - I don't share his penchant for "running height'. I didn't like the selections of Longer or Polec, Karnezis or Paparone. So perhaps your point 1 is valid, although Conole is our head recruiter, so there should be some shared blame.

But like I've said previously, you can't re-sign players who've been advised not to re-sign.

And you can't force other clubs to trade selections they don't want to. I'm interested to hear how you'd do it.

 

[royboys4eva]

Good deal to get West in. Cost us next to nothing and for me he is a better ruck than Hampson who Richmond gave their 2nd round pick up for. Just had a listen to Billy Longer on Trade Radio. Interviewed twice and not once did i hear him say thanks to Lions for helping him get to a club in Melbourne. Not really surprised though.

 

[iBeng]

Agreed Kerr is on very shaky grounds, especially as it is his job to do the psych assessments on players and interview them. He has come across as a weak negotiator imo.

What are your thoughts on the second round of this years draft?

How can you be a strong negotiator when all said players forced us onto our back foot to begin with? Only Longer and Doc had vague assessments of "Home". Doc, understandably, chose Carlton after growing up their supporters, and Longer picked the reigning premiers, for whatever reason. We knew where Polec was going, Yeo and also Patty K. The other clubs had 80% of the advantage.

 

[DT_35]

Mind is blown. Hayes, Riewoldt and Fisher likely to retire next year, Dal Santo traded out, no up coming talent bar Stevens. Hope Billy enjoys no success in his career.

LOL ok m8

 

[Toffee Lion]

LOL ok m8

Truth hurts, it's okay.

 

[rockypls]

LOL ok m8

No tears.

 

[iBeng]

LOL ok m8

Keep the hope strong little one, you'll get there.

...In 2019.

 

[Quigley]

Agreed Kerr is on very shaky grounds, especially as it is his job to do the psych assessments on players and interview them. He has come across as a weak negotiator imo.

What are your thoughts on the second round of this years draft?

After 25 it is crap.

The guys I would have liked to take a punt on are a couple of talls like Nankervis but we are in a position where we cannot possibly take them. I would have liked to take a punt on Glenn but he has made himself ineligible by not turning up for testing.

Templeton I would hope we grab and would have to be a fair chance. Cripps is another who I would take but he does not fit Kerr's draft profile and so won't get picked. Don't mind Merrett and a couple of others but no real guys that I am really into. FWIW what do we have to lose in taking Garlett? Nothing I think and we may as well take a punt. Sheed, Templeton and Garlett would make things pretty interesting.

 

[13Beast]

Agreed Kerr is on very shaky grounds, especially as it is his job to do the psych assessments on players and interview them. He has come across as a weak negotiator imo.

What are your thoughts on the second round of this years draft?

Definitely agree on the psych and interview screening procedure. After watching the Docherty interview on the CFC site, where he is spontaneously orgasming at playing for his dream club the entire time, how did he manage to slip through and get the green light?

Benefit of the doubt to Longer and Yeo; as perhaps the recent board and coach crisis made them think its time to leave.

Also unsure how Polec got through, as that kid has some serious issues clearly. But that was before Kerr's time, no?

 

[Offsider]

How can you be a strong negotiator when all said players forced us onto our back foot to begin with? Only Longer and Doc had vague assessments of "Home". Doc, understandably, chose Carlton after growing up their supporters, and Longer picked the reigning premiers, for whatever reason. We knew where Polec was going, Yeo and also Patty K. The other clubs had 80% of the advantage.

There is no doubt that we had the worse bargaining position, but given that we accepted such poor deals for some of the players, Docherty (we couldn't even get pick 32) and Longer in particular and that we now have an abundance of second round picks, I feel that the better decision would have been to put one of these two into the PSD. Sure it would have deprived us of a pick, but it sets a tone for next time this happens that we won't be screwed over, and you can be sure that unfortunately there will be next time. It would have provided us with a stronger bargaining position for the future and I don't think that can be underestimated.

 

[The Flying Belgian]

There is no doubt that we had the worse bargaining position, but given that we accepted such poor deals for some of the players, Docherty (we couldn't even get pick 32) and Longer in particular and that we now have an abundance of second round picks, I feel that the better decision would have been to put one of these two into the PSD. Sure it would have deprived us of a pick, but it sets a tone for next time this happens that we won't be screwed over, and you can be sure that unfortunately there will be next time. It would have provided us with a stronger bargaining position for the future and I don't think that can be underestimated.

You'd put a bloke into the PSD over 1 place on the draft order?

 

[Elixuh]

For anyone that's feeling down at the moment, I have the remedy.



(bonus points for the Irish folk music in the background?)

 

[BrisVegasDrew]

At time of writing we have 7, 22, 25, 28, 33, 34, 63 (Freeman), 81, 99 & 117.

If we cant land a big fish I think I would like to see us use at least the first 6 picks, surely we should get at least 3 good long term players in there. Then of course it's up to the new team to ensure they are made to feel welcome and buy into the team.

It's not all doom and gloom surely

 

[possum8]

I am glad they are all gone, if they stuck around they would be a cancer in the club. Longer will enjoy St Kilda though, going by what i have heard about him. Also people are a bit tough on Kerr, it doesn't matter which way he went people would be complaining. Other clubs weren't going to budge and he got what he could get. I too was expecting more but his hands would of been tied, it was either get a second round pick or get nothing.. Also their would be an uproar from some if Billy went to the draft for nothing. Either way people are going to complain.

 

[captainrich]

ironic that the player we rated the least probs got us the best deal pat karneziz, glad these dbags are gone think we may be able to look back at this period as what made our club as we recruited 5 honest hardworking young players to replace 5 primadonnas, besides Longer i doubt the others will end up amounting to much and their legacy in the game will forever be tarnished, des headland anyone? while we think we may have got shafted we should take a look at the deals some of the other clubs have recieved for some very good players, mumford for pick 35, crameri for pick 26, gumby for pick 58, jed lamb for a pick in the 40s bruce for pick 48, delaney pick in the 70s all either starting 22 players or upcoming talents. was a terrible period as teams like st kilda and fremantle drove very hard bargains, they will pay for this later im sure

 

[cotter101]

So we got West for pick 41. Sounds alright to me.

As someone said earlier, there will be at least 35 or so kids in the country who will at least become decent at the next level. Clubs just have to pick up a couple of diamonds in the rough. And we have done that in recent years. So I'll back our boys in to get some good talent this year.