Trade Talk

[doona]

Re: Barry Hall

I think the fact Barry Hall is a quality player and that he is contracted we would be in the dominant position in terms of getting a good deal.

Tie this in with the fact the Bulldogs want him for a crack at a premiership and that if we lost him at the end of next year for nothing in the PSD it wouldn't concern us but could be to late for him to make an impact at the doggies.

I think from my perspective what i would want for compinsation is either:

First Preference:
Dylan Addison (a good young NSW boy) + (2nd or third rounder)

Second Preference:
Farren Ray (im not sure if he would want to go to sydney though) + (2nd or 3rd rounder)

 

[doona]

Re: Bulldog Baz?

I personally think that if the bulldogs are serious about getting Hall it will mean that we will be able to get a good deal. it could really be benificial to us in the future.

as i said on another thread about this topic what i would expect us to get would be:

First Preference:
Dylan Addison (a good young NSW boy) + (2nd or third rounder)

Second Preference:
Farren Ray (im not sure if he would want to go to sydney though) + (2nd or 3rd rounder)

Both a good young players that have the potential to become really good players and the fact Addison is a NSW boy is good for the Swans.

Plus if we got Farren Ray we could potentially use him in a trade to get Kerr to the Swans (getting rid of Barry Hall would free up alot of room in the salary cap along with the players retiring to get Kerr and to offer more money to ROK to keep him in Sydney).

Plus we played alot of this season without Hall and other players really stepped up and provided other avenues to goal. It made us more then a one dimensional team.

 

[chef]

Re: Bulldog Baz?

First Preference:
Dylan Addison (a good young NSW boy) + (2nd or third rounder)

Second Preference:
Farren Ray (im not sure if he would want to go to sydney though) + (2nd or 3rd rounder)

Both a good young players that have the potential to become really good players and the fact Addison is a NSW boy is good for the Swans.

Plus if we got Farren Ray we could potentially use him in a trade to get Kerr to the Swans (getting rid of Barry Hall would free up alot of room in the salary cap along with the players retiring to get Kerr and to offer more money to ROK to keep him in Sydney).

Plus we played alot of this season without Hall and other players really stepped up and provided other avenues to goal. It made us more then a one dimensional team.

Addison won't be going anywhere, but you can have Ray.

 

[BIGBEZ]

Re: Barry Hall

todays paper reports he would prefer to stay at the swans, but would like a contract extension, also reports his house is on the market, hopefully its all just contract leverege!
I dont know how to add a link, or I would..

 

[TheMase]

Re: Bulldog Baz?

Have to remember, it is only early days. There may yet be more clubs interested when it comes closer to trade week.

It will be interesting to see what happens. I made the call sometime ago that I would not be surprised to see Hall leave the Swans at the end of this season.

I very much doubt a Hall type player will be a direct trade with the intended club. We will use other clubs to leverage a bigger deal in order to get the value we desire.

 

[MushroomRocket]

Re: Bulldog Baz?

Addison won't be going anywhere, but you can have Ray.

the problem for the dogs is that hall still has 1 year on his contract. this means we get to dictate the terms.

 

[chef]

Re: Bulldog Baz?

the problem for the dogs is that hall still has 1 year on his contract. this means we get to dictate the terms.

Which means we'll look else where if you guys want to much, remember he's 31. The dogs won't give up a Kid. There is talk that Ray will go back to WA for a seconder which we will use on Hall, guess we will just need to wait till next week to find out.

 

[MushroomRocket]

Re: Barry Hall

now that hall is likely to go, we must keep o'keefe and mol to mentor younger players on how to play as forwards when they eventually leave. i think the hall rumors might influence rok in signing a new contract.

if we lost both of them, then we need to bleed whichever team for the best forward prospects.

1 st round pick if o'keefe leaves, will allow us to get cornelius, yarran/mitch brown, who are good forward prospects.

2 nd round pick, we might get mitch brown here, which will allow us to draft a running midfielder with our first pick and mitch robinson as kp defender, that we will need when barry leaves.

cornelius + klemke/tengrove + yarran + addison + robinson --> 1st picks + 2nd picks + good player + barry hall + o'keefe.

mol and leo barry will be leaving next year too.

so a couple of delists will help too.

 

[BIGBEZ]

Re: Barry Hall

now that hall is likely to go, we must keep o'keefe and mol to mentor younger players on how to play as forwards when they eventually leave. i think the hall rumors might influence rok in signing a new contract.

if we lost both of them, then we need to bleed whichever team for the best forward prospects.

1 st round pick if o'keefe leaves, will allow us to get cornelius, yarran/mitch brown, who are good forward prospects.

2 nd round pick, we might get mitch brown here, which will allow us to draft a running midfielder with our first pick and mitch robinson as kp defender, that we will need when barry leaves.

cornelius + klemke/tengrove + yarran + addison + robinson --> 1st picks + 2nd picks + good player + barry hall + o'keefe.

mol and leo barry will be leaving next year too.

so a couple of delists will help too.

what makes you so sure hes likely to go?

 

[OperationGetCats]

Re: Bulldog Baz?

2nd round pick is the key, plus Street or Ray.

 

[skipper kelly]

Re: Barry Hall

I posted this on the Bulldogs board. I thought I would also share my thoughts here.

I really believe the football public has gone ****ing mad. At 3/4 time last Friday night the Western Bulldogs would have given up anything to have Barry Hall run out to CHF.

The Western Bulldogs were most likely 1 power forward short of playing in a Grand Final and a chance at winning a premiership. This is what football is about. Everything that happens should be directed towards winning a premiership. Barry Hall is the type of player that can win a side a premiership. However good a player such as young Everitt or Ward are, they are not going to be the difference between winning a premiership or not.

If Hall leaves Sydney then good and well. If Hall leaves Sydney I cant see any player on the Western Bulldogs list that could replace him. Im not saying that he is a better player than all your list, Im saying that no one fits the like for like swap that I would think appropriate. This is not my point though. Frankly if the situations were reversed and I followed the Western Bulldogs I would be happy to give up a 1st round pick to get a player that could well give my side a real shot at the 2009 premiership. I would give up any draft pick.

The future is not important if you arent playing for premierships. If you are playing for premierships ala the Western Bulldogs 2008/2009 then you do everything in your power to get that premiership. If you fail then so be it at least you have given it a shot.

What seems to be happening in the football world is that supporters are so wrapped up in the list building, youth policy rubbish, and the 'oh we cant get rid of him because he will be a 10 year player' that they forget what all clubs should be playing for.

Carlton 2004 should not contemplate getting a 31 yo class forwards with only 2 years left in him. Western Bulldogs 2008 should do everything in their power to get a short term fix so they can have a real crack.

Peter Everitt was an abject failure in his 2 years at Sydney. If the clock was returned to the end of 2006 then yes I would hope my club would make the same decision and recruit someone who can fill a void in the short term in the hope of being the difference to winning and not winning a premiership.

 

[chef]

Re: Bulldog Baz?

2nd round pick is the key, plus Street or Ray.

I can see 2nd round and Street happening.

 

[BIGBEZ]

Re: Barry Hall

agree skip, worth alot to them, but I still think we can have another realistic crack at the granny next year, Hall is also very valuable to us, we dont really have anyone of that calibre ready to go for a shot at another premiership ourselves, alot of people seem to have already written off our own chances!

 

[skipper kelly]

Re: Barry Hall

agree skip, worth alot to them, but I still think we can have another realistic crack at the granny next year, Hall is also very valuable to us, we dont really have anyone of that calibre ready to go for a shot at another premiership ourselves, alot of people seem to have already written off our own chances!

Absolutely Bez. There is no way in the world I want to lose Barry Hall. We still have the players to win a flag next year and Barry Hall is an integral part of it. Of course injuries must go our way so we can get our best side on the park fully fit. We dont have the real depth to cover many injuries but I truly believe our best side fully fit can match anyone.

 

[Caj]

Re: Bulldog Baz?

Street will be delisted

Has been an abject failure at 2 clubs and actually devalues the deal

 

[Dudley]

Re: Bulldog Baz?

Street will be delisted

Has been an abject failure at 2 clubs and actually devalues the deal

Agree, no way in hell.

2nd rounder and a delistee LMAO, dogs fans are nearly as deluded as bombers

 

[legend166]

Re: Bulldog Baz?

Which means we'll look else where if you guys want to much, remember he's 31. The dogs won't give up a Kid. There is talk that Ray will go back to WA for a seconder which we will use on Hall, guess we will just need to wait till next week to find out.

Why exactly would you not give up a kid? The time for the Dogs to win a premiership is here and now. All you need is a KP Forward and you'll be a massive chance.

 

[skipper kelly]

Re: Bulldog Baz?

Why exactly would you not give up a kid? The time for the Dogs to win a premiership is here and now. All you need is a KP Forward and you'll be a massive chance.

Because it keeps the average age of the list down which has some special meaning these days, although I am yet to figure out what it means.

 

[chef]

Re: Bulldog Baz?

Why exactly would you not give up a kid? The time for the Dogs to win a premiership is here and now. All you need is a KP Forward and you'll be a massive chance.

He's 32 and could be gone by mid next season if his body starts to fail. I just don't like the thought of giving up one of the pups especially Addison, the kids are the future and i believe our squad is going to be good enough for not just next year but when players like Akermanis, Johnson, Eagleton, Welsh and Hudson retire. Ray for Campbell from Freo would be better to me.

 

[grimlock]

Re: Bulldog Baz?

He's 32 and could be gone by mid next season if his body starts to fail. I just don't like the thought of giving up one of the pups especially Addison, the kids are the future and i believe our squad is going to be good enough for not just next year but when players like Akermanis, Johnson, Eagleton, Welsh and Hudson retire. Ray for Campbell from Freo would be better to me.

It's a reasonable point of view, and one that must be mulled over. Whether Hall is worth the cost is going to have be carefully considered. The idea that you're going to get Hall for nothing more than spare change is delusional. He is contracted next year and from the article, it seems it is the Bulldogs who are leading the chase rather than Sydney trying to flog him off.

 

[chef]

Re: Bulldog Baz?

It's a reasonable point of view, and one that must be mulled over. Whether Hall is worth the cost is going to have be carefully considered. The idea that you're going to get Hall for nothing more than spare change is delusional. He is contracted next year and from the article, it seems it is the Bulldogs who are leading the chase rather than Sydney trying to flog him off.

2nd round pick is'nt spare change, it's what Akermanis(he was contract aswell) and Hudson cost and they were younger and just as good as Hall.

 

[grimlock]

Re: Bulldog Baz?

The difference is that Aker and Hudson both wanted to leave. Hall's preference, and quoting the article here, is to remain at the Swans. Hall's value also goes beyond what he does on field, he is easily the highest profile Swan here in Sydney, especially to the common fan. The Swans will need something higher than a second rounder + Street. If the Dogs feel that that is too high a cost, fair enough, let's move along and you can try again at the end of 2009 when he is out of contract.

 

[MF]

Re: Bulldog Baz?

2nd round pick is'nt spare change, it's what Akermanis(he was contract aswell) and Hudson cost and they were younger and just as good as Hall.

Hudson just as good as Hall?

FWIW I agree with Grim. Theres no point letting Hall go if all we get is a hack and a second rounder in return.

Street will most likely be available in the PSD for anyone that wants him but I wouldn't bother anyway.

 

[chef]

Re: Bulldog Baz?

If Hall does'nt want to leave then this is a waste of time because he's not going anywhere, you guys would'nt push him. But if he does or there is stuff going on behind closed doors, like a rift between him and Roos as some are sugesting then a second round pick is about right. I don't think Roos would won't a repeat of this season, lets just hope Hall gets his head right for next season no matter where he ends up.

 

[chef]

Re: Bulldog Baz?

Hudson just as good as Hall?
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He was when he was fit.