Mega Thread Trading, drafting and all that Jazz - Part II

[Splodge15]

Great post Sunny. Appreciated.

 

[hawker39]

Sunny,

Can you provide his stats Height, weight and some sort or indication of his speed

 

[lickmerocks]

It's not Xavier's fault - look to the selection table first and foremost. X man went very well in the first quarter but like a significant number of others went missing after that. Personally I wished Murphy had played but it certainly wasn't x mans fault that he didn't get a guernsey.

Murphy can't stay - overlooked once you can accept, shafted a second time - unforgivable. I hope he does well wherever he goes.

Rubbish. X man is the luckiest man in Australia.

His body was absolutely fked against Collingwood as he went up and down the race more times than Sam Newman on his wedding days.

His body was shot to pieces in the lead up to Prelim against the crows and yet we still played him. Was clearly injured against the Crows and had no influence.

In the grand Final by 8 minutes into the second qtr his body was shot to pieces yet again and in the end we were forced to sub him off becuase he could no longer run at all.

Whoever made the decision to keep playing the X should learn quick smart that you Do not play injured players in Finals.

 

[Sunny_]

Sunny,

Can you provide his stats Height, weight and some sort or indication of his speed

182cm, 80kg. He's small, but pretty big for his size. Like I said, I think he'd make a good inside mid with his frame and ability to yank the ball out of contests. Just once he has it, close your eyes. Not anything special when it comes to physical attributes like speed, acceleration or leap. Pretty good goal sense. Loves to kick one when he's in range. Can kick them from 50+ out on the run.

 

[Sewell Rules]

So where to from here with potentially Young, Gilham and Murphy all going?

Take anything we can get for these guys through free agency compo picks or late draft picks and then trying to realistically cover their losses immediately and quickly re-establishing our backline depth by looking at guys like Tom Gillies and Joel Tippett in the drafts (should Gillies be delisted by the Cats as predicted by many), Maverick Weller (possibly in a trade for Murphy or Gilham) and then best available mid with pick 27 or even a Ben Jacobs?

Thats just a scenario currently playing out in my mind.

Grizz, Mess, Echols...your thoughts???

Spot on. Some depth which does not put us over the cap is what we need. Gillies and Tippett are exactly the types to fill this role. Lake is a great recruit, but if he gets injured and Murphy and Gilham are gone we could be in some trouble.

 

[Collins-Langford-Ayres]

Spot on. Some depth which does not put us over the cap is what we need. Gillies and Tippett are exactly the types to fill this role. Lake is a great recruit, but if he gets injured and Murphy and Gilham are gone we could be in some trouble.

If Lake gets injured surely we play the same backline we played all year.

FB: Stratton - Gibson - Guerra
HB: Burgers - Schoey - Birchall

At the moment we also have Hodge, Suckling, Duryea and Cheney who could go back to replace flankers/pockets, but nothing to replace our key defenders, but Murphy and Gilham aren't that either. I am also not convinced Gillies would be anything other than a back-up to Stratton.

If Boumann goes as expected, then I wouldn't mind us grabbing a matrure proper KPD as insurance.

 

[Pessimistic]

Was watching the wb v haw game again for a look at Lake.

Lake had a good game but broke even on his few contests with Shoe. Played on rough/hale mostly

Gilham played too and if hes happy to stay at Hawthorn as back-up, hes still OK really

 

[dermott]

Thanks for your report on Weller Sunny. Good to hear from someone who has seen a lot of him recently.

 

[Off The Couch]

lickmerocks - I'm not disputing anything you have said but my point was look to selectors not get personal about players. It would seem NOW that hodge, ruff, burgers, Lewis and Ellis all carried injuries in to that game so to signal one out is pointless. Personally I thought Murphy had done enough to keep his spot and was very unlucky and there were many who scoffed at those who wanted him to keep his spot so for someone to say now that he would of been the difference, well..........

 

[dermott]

If Lake gets injured surely we play the same backline we played all year.

FB: Stratton - Gibson - Guerra
HB: Burgers - Schoey - Birchall

At the moment we also have Hodge, Suckling, Duryea and Cheney who could go back to replace flankers/pockets, but nothing to replace our key defenders, but Murphy and Gilham aren't that either. I am also not convinced Gillies would be anything other than a back-up to Stratton.

If Boumann goes as expected, then I wouldn't mind us grabbing a matrure proper KPD as insurance.

I agree with most of this CLA. We seem to have a surfeit of half back flankers/medium defenders but no developing KPDs other than Boumann who reputedly is destined for the scrap heap . Echols posted recently that he thought we would aim to get a younger KPD in the trade/draft period and most would hope we do.

With regard to Gillies, he appeared to play as a third tall in the VFL grand final rather than a KPD and when I last checked he was listed at around 192 cm and 88kgs which these days is marginal for a KPD. However he appeared to take a good contested mark and judge the flight of the ball quite well.He also appeared to be quite mobile.

I qualify my comments by adding that I have only seen him play twice but on those occasions he looked more like Stratton than Lake. I would be interested in comments from anyone who may have seen more of him.

 

[dipper86]

How are you working this out?

The compensation falls into one of five categories - a first-round pick immediately following the club's first round pick, an end of first-round pick, a second-round pick immediately after the club's second round pick, an end of second-round pick or a third-round pick immediately after the club's third round selection etc.....so If young is rated a second rounder, and our second round pick is pick 41 in the draft order....we will be given pick 42 by the AFL.

 

[Jaeger]

The compensation falls into one of five categories - a first-round pick immediately following the club's first round pick, an end of first-round pick, a second-round pick immediately after the club's second round pick, an end of second-round pick or a third-round pick immediately after the club's third round selection etc.....so If young is rated a second rounder, and our second round pick is pick 41 in the draft order....we will be given pick 42 by the AFL.

But our second round pick is now 27 after the Lake trade.

 

[Prudster]

But our second round pick is now 27 after the Lake trade.

Pretty sure it would be based off your original draft position. Otherwise you could trade for pick 1, get compensation, getting you pick 2, then trade pick 1 back.

 

[Spursfan]

Tom Murphy about to join GC- traderadio.

 

[Brant]

Pretty sure it would be based off your original draft position. Otherwise you could trade for pick 1, get compensation, getting you pick 2, then trade pick 1 back.

Prudster, that's brilliant - we should definitely do that!

 

[Brant]

Tom Murphy about to join GC- traderadio.

Tom Murphy about to join GC- traderadio.

FA or Traded?

 

[Buddy Guy]

Yep Murphy gone, details sketchy at this stage.

 

[Sewell Rules]

If Lake gets injured surely we play the same backline we played all year.

FB: Stratton - Gibson - Guerra
HB: Burgers - Schoey - Birchall

At the moment we also have Hodge, Suckling, Duryea and Cheney who could go back to replace flankers/pockets, but nothing to replace our key defenders, but Murphy and Gilham aren't that either. I am also not convinced Gillies would be anything other than a back-up to Stratton.

If Boumann goes as expected, then I wouldn't mind us grabbing a matrure proper KPD as insurance.

Yeah, we would revert to this year's structure, which everyone identifies was a problem for us this year, so one or two back up options are required I think, in case of two injuries to tall defenders, or just finding another key defender with some weight to replace Lake if he gets injured. Gillies may only be a back-up to Stratton but that is something we could do with. Definitely enough depth in terms of small defenders but could do with a little more depth in terms of key defenders

 

[bunky]

Keep in mind that the club only gets 1 compensation pick at the end of the FA period.
So it's an accumulation of the players you lost and their worth that make up the decision of what pick is awarded. Ie. the PA scenario, where they traded for Monfries rather than pick him up as a FA having lost Pearce and Chaplin.

So if Young is considered a 2nd round pick, and Murphy is considered a 3rd.. surely that adds up to being more than a 2nd round pick? Hence i think if both leave, the AFL is more than likely to award an end of first round pick if we lose them both. (Pick 25 approx).

 

[Sewell Rules]

Yeah, we would revert to this year's structure, which everyone identifies was a problem for us this year, so one or two back up options are required I think, in case of two injuries to tall defenders, or just finding another key defender with some weight to replace Lake if he gets injured. Gillies may only be a back-up to Stratton but that is something we could do with. Definitely enough depth in terms of small defenders but could do with a little more depth in terms of key defenders

Gillies would be cheap too, most likely. Better in terms of salary cap compared to having Murphy and Gilham as back-up.

 

[Ram-Man]

Disappointed to see Tom go - great clubman - all the best

 

[Sunny_]

Suns just released an article on him.

Got him as an UFA.

 

[Cyril the Squirrel]

Keep in mind that the club only gets 1 compensation pick at the end of the FA period.
So it's an accumulation of the players you lost and their worth that make up the decision of what pick is awarded. Ie. the PA scenario, where they traded for Monfries rather than pick him up as a FA having lost Pearce and Chaplin.

So if Young is considered a 2nd round pick, and Murphy is considered a 3rd.. surely that adds up to being more than a 2nd round pick? Hence i think if both leave, the AFL is more than likely to award an end of first round pick if we lose them both. (Pick 25 approx).

Ahh I did wonder about this.. otherwise teams could offload heaps of players in FA and effectively screw the entire draft with compo picks.

 

[WatWouldCyrilDo]

Keep in mind that the club only gets 1 compensation pick at the end of the FA period.
So it's an accumulation of the players you lost and their worth that make up the decision of what pick is awarded. Ie. the PA scenario, where they traded for Monfries rather than pick him up as a FA having lost Pearce and Chaplin.

So if Young is considered a 2nd round pick, and Murphy is considered a 3rd.. surely that adds up to being more than a 2nd round pick? Hence i think if both leave, the AFL is more than likely to award an end of first round pick if we lose them both. (Pick 25 approx).

Are you certain this is the case?

I recall reading an article saying that Port were looking to get a 2nd and 3rd round pick for Chaplin and Pearce.

 

[streetspirit]

Article Sunny mentions...

http://goldcoastfc.com.au/news-and-media/news/suns-sign-murphy/