Training Training Reports - Current report, Monday 13th February, Post #1427

[bris tarangau]

American sports have much rule tinkering, a lot of officialdom getting blamed for influencing results (mostly through errors like in Australian sports - however the NBA is plagued with, incorrect, calls of being fixed via officials). On top of this the leagues interfere quite a bit in the game. If you think Vlad was hated - you should see the vitriol that is directed Roger Goodell's way.

On top of this - free agency, contracts and trading can be excruciatingly complex that I don't even bother trying to pretend how it all works. In addition to this all of the major leagues have suffered at least one, if not more, player strikes over the years.

American sports is just crawling with rules, regulations, bureaucracy and conflict not of the sporting kind. It's more drama than sport sometimes.

Another example of doing things the way Americans do?

 

[Coathanger]

Wow I expected a training report..how silly of me.

 

[eldorado]

Wow I expected a training report..how silly of me.

There was a training report.

 

[flinchfree]

We'll be back nearly to zones soon. I guess that is the intent with country football. City football gets enough attention but this will help develop on-the-edge players in the country who might otherwise get overlooked?

The AFL's execution problem is that they are trying to engineer outcomes rather than create a level playing field and let things develop. Maybe they feel that Australia is too small and big money too limited to support an all guns blazing level playing field. Perhaps they fear that a few clubs will dominate despite the equal rules. So they tinker.

I'm just a hack, of course, but if I were in afl house I think I would spend less time trying to engineer onfield outcomes and more time subsidising the club's professional development. Some clubs have embraced the last 20 years of change to move from amateur outfits to professional sporting businesses. Others are still playing club ball. Get all the clubs thinking like Hawthorn: looking to other codes for innovative ideas, finding the means to innovate with facilities, creating international networks to support idea generation, develop world leading medical skills (I'm pretty sure the Hawks staff headline global hamstring conferences now days (can you believe there are such things?)).

You can't force clubs to advance, but you can encourage and subsidise. Instead we're sinking around with these draft and rules changes. They have created the coaching program (at Clarkson's prompting) which is something. I suggest a lot more of that.

It's the right thought, but probably wouldn't work out....
In the end it's the people you employ who must execute any plan, wherever it was envisaged, and there just aren't enough good people to staff all clubs equally to take advantage of any extra funding for such boundary pushing thinking. We have plenty at Hawthorn, but as I see it it's Clarko who pushes all the buttons and people management buttons and player buttons that really continues to drive the Culture and aspirations at our club.
Without him, do we know the assistants would have had the confidence and ability to have the impact that they have?
We could just have easily been St Kilda, with plenty of good young kids that never found a way to win sustainably at the highest level.

That's why the AFL keep feeding each bottoming out team the best kids, because they know they can't achieve an equality of management at other levels, and with the hope that the ability of the players will find a way to show through and produce success even with less than stellar leadership.

Lots on here call it socialism.
I think it makes sense, unfortunately, for all involved.

 

[Ned Ryerson]

Wow I expected a training report..how silly of me.

Feel free to start from page 1. You must be new to the internet - a tip, forum threads can tend to wander off point from time to time. This isn't helped by pointless, whiny sarcastic comments. Good luck with your future internetting.

Getting on topic for the sake of our pedantic viewers - there was a note on the FB page today that there is an open training on January 20th.

 

[illnino]

Bit of an ice hockey fan here... of course I go for the BlackHAWKS (also go for the SeaHAWKS in the NFL and the Atlanta HAWKS in the NBA ), and one of the major rule changes they made for this season is that in overtime it's now 3v3, instead of 4v4, which is a pretty massive change given the context of the sport and how often NHL games go into overtime.

 

[threesixpio]

Hope JOM gets to play the Gold Coast this year

 

[Steven Tyler]

Hope JOM gets to play the Gold Coast this year

And Adelaide
And Brisbane
And Carlton
And Collingwood
And Essendon
And Fremantle
And Geelong
And GWS
And Melbourne
And North
And Port
And Richmond
And St Kilda
And Sydney
And West Coast
And Western Bulldogs

 

[Ned Ryerson]

Bit of an ice hockey fan here... of course I go for the BlackHAWKS (also go for the SeaHAWKS in the NFL and the Atlanta HAWKS in the NBA ), and one of the major rule changes they made for this season is that in overtime it's now 3v3, instead of 4v4, which is a pretty massive change given the context of the sport and how often NHL games go into overtime.

Fellow Seahawks fan! Rangers and Celtics for the other leagues though. Didn't the NHL also force shootouts at the end of OT now to force a result rather than the old OT ties?

 

[illnino]

Yes, but I believe (and could be wrong) that whether or not the result of the match is determined in OT or afterwards in the shootout, the losing team still gets one point with the winning team getting two points.

 

[cryptor]

And Adelaide
And Brisbane
And Carlton
And Collingwood
And Essendon
And Fremantle
And Geelong
And GWS
And Melbourne
And North
And Port
And Richmond
And St Kilda
And Sydney
And West Coast
And Western Bulldogs

And a Qualifying Final
And a Preliminary Final
And a Grand Final (winning of course)

 

[PatientHawk]

Let me know when Vickery gets a haircut. I feel like there would be a fair bit of Richmond left in it that we'd need to remove.

Oh! that is his hair, i thought he had one of his dead cats up there, like a Davey Crockett hat.

 

[Nathan Detroit]

Yes, but I believe (and could be wrong) that whether or not the result of the match is determined in OT or afterwards in the shootout, the losing team still gets one point with the winning team getting two points.

You are correct in the shootout (and OT) scenario, but it only applies in the regular season. During the playoffs, if regulation ends in a draw, teams play full 20 minute periods until one scores. Nothing in sport quite matches the intensity and pins-needles feeling fans get as a Game 7 Stanley Cup Final OT (Speaking for myself of course). Personally, any sport that decides a contest, particularly a Championship contest with a skills competition (see shootout) is a waste. It made a lot of my mates happy and good on 'em, but Seattle won the soccer championship without having a single shot on goal in regulation OR overtime. WTH????? Sincerely hoping AFL avoids it as I may then have to change my tune - LOL!

 

[tommyk72]

Fellow Seahawks fan! Rangers and Celtics for the other leagues though. Didn't the NHL also force shootouts at the end of OT now to force a result rather than the old OT ties?

And you call yourself a HAWKS supporter!?

 

[Ned Ryerson]

And you call yourself a HAWKS supporter!?

Celtics are green, like the Raiders plus as a kid I loved Larry Bird. My first NHL game attended live was a Rangers game so I converted (used to like the Devils due to my adolescent love of Kevin Smith films). Seahawks combine the Hawks name with the green and blue colours of the Raiders so that is win/win. I can live with the choices I have made. Plus the Atlanta Hawks have dickbag management - so I don't lament not backing them.

 

[HairyO]

And Adelaide
And Brisbane
And Carlton
And Collingwood
And Essendon
And Fremantle
And Geelong
And GWS
And Melbourne
And North
And Port
And Richmond
And St Kilda
And Sydney
And West Coast
And Western Bulldogs

Anything short of 24 games this year is a failure !!

 

[HolyRioli]

Fellow Seahawks fan! Rangers and Celtics for the other leagues though. Didn't the NHL also force shootouts at the end of OT now to force a result rather than the old OT ties?

Soccer fans would find this very confusing

 

[Ned Ryerson]

Soccer fans would find this very confusing

Well I follow Hibs in the Scottish football haha.

 

[HolyRioli]

Well I follow Hibs in the Scottish football haha.

So you follow Rangers, Celtic and Hibernians?

Might as well just follow the league

 

[Collins-Langford-Ayres]

Hope JOM gets to play the Gold Coast this year

I'd like that, but prefer him and Tommy Mitchell to tear Dangerfield and Duckwood to shreds.

 

[Davo23]

So you follow Rangers, Celtic and Hibernians?

Might as well just follow the league

And he'll have many, many fights!

 

[Nathan Detroit]

Well I follow Hibs in the Scottish football haha.

Jeez, you really ought to follow the Canadiens in NHL, then you'd support the Hibs and the Habs

 

[Hawk Hawkins]

Feel free to start from page 1. You must be new to the internet - a tip, forum threads can tend to wander off point from time to time. This isn't helped by pointless, whiny sarcastic comments. Good luck with your future internetting.

Getting on topic for the sake of our pedantic viewers - there was a note on the FB page today that there is an open training on January 20th.

Sarcasm, sarcasm, everywhere!

 

[kimbopen]

And he'll have many, many fights!

Most of them with himself!

 

[kimbopen]

Just wanted to confirm that there will be training out at Ricoh Stadium this Friday - also, any idea on a start time? As it's expected to be fairly warm, I guess an early start will be on the cards.

Am planning on heading out for a look - thinking of getting there by around 8:30am.