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Genuine question Mr P but which SFL Div 1 clubs would possibly entertain a move to the VAFA? Bentleigh would be a good geographic/demographic fit. Went from the SFL to the VAFA previously but could not get past the middle to lower grades so returned. From all accounts they are very happy where they are (PS – the buggers absolutely pillaged my club this season – not that it’s done them much good
) Cheltenham? A couple of decent torps from Beaumaris, who have massive juniors and entrenched pathways so they would be very unlikely. Surely the VAFA would not accept St. Kilda City - absolute rabble of a club. Other ‘potentials’ have established VAFA clubs right on their doorstep so could not see that happening. A few candidates in the lower grades perhaps but I cannot think of any Div 1 clubs who would benefit. Could just see them stuck in the divisions with extra travel, few local rivalries and little prospect of advancement.The only possible reason I would think an SFL club would entertain a move is to provide a decent environment for their unders. The SFNL U19s comp is a joke. One division, only 9 clubs involved and just 3 from Div 1.
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St Kilda City are an amateur team this year. Can’t pay their players
Excellent post, the Under 19s in VAFA would be a major drawcard and also not having to find huge cash to pay players each Season, St Pauls McKinnon is a well run Club that could cross overGenuine question Mr P but which SFL Div 1 clubs would possibly entertain a move to the VAFA? Bentleigh would be a good geographic/demographic fit. Went from the SFL to the VAFA previously but could not get past the middle to lower grades so returned. From all accounts they are very happy where they are (PS – the buggers absolutely pillaged my club this season – not that it’s done them much good
The only possible reason I would think an SFL club would entertain a move is to provide a decent environment for their unders. The SFNL U19s comp is a joke. One division, only 9 clubs involved and just 3 from Div 1.
SBFL is the answerGenuine question Mr P but which SFL Div 1 clubs would possibly entertain a move to the VAFA? Bentleigh would be a good geographic/demographic fit. Went from the SFL to the VAFA previously but could not get past the middle to lower grades so returned. From all accounts they are very happy where they are (PS – the buggers absolutely pillaged my club this season – not that it’s done them much good
The only possible reason I would think an SFL club would entertain a move is to provide a decent environment for their unders. The SFNL U19s comp is a joke. One division, only 9 clubs involved and just 3 from Div 1.
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I thought that as wellWhat “Constitutes” a very Proud Club?
Are there clubs that aren’t Proud?
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We are actually not that proudWhat “Constitutes” a very Proud Club?
Are there clubs that aren’t Proud?
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The $ ran out mid-year, can you change your status from Professional to amateur mid-season??
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No shocks, they've been known as a genuine mercenary club for a long long time.
A recent Jok Nelson medallist managed to do that so why not?
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But Selwood could not play a game before the VAFA season started in TAS and then for Ivanhoe this season - WTAF?
Chump
But your club isn't part of the 'in' crowd, obviously, Chump.
As long as you give the right set of books to the league where you are going then you won't have a problem with the hierarchy.
As long as you give the right set of books to the league where you are going then you won't have a problem with the hierarchy
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What was the reason given Chump?But Selwood could not play a game before the VAFA season started in TAS and then for Ivanhoe this season - WTAF?
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What has been explained to us by the committee is that because he would have played for some appearance money at another club, in the same year he played at Ivanhoe, it breached ammo status. Even though the club had nothing to do with any of the TAS stuff and the game happened before the VAFA season started.
How it has been explained to me sounds like one of the most nonsensical overreaches in guideline application I have been told in my years of local football policy.
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Not difficult. Everything gets taken from the ground, washed ready for next week which is usually an away game.
The canteen and bar upstairs , just extra work for volunteers
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What has been explained to us by the committee is that because he would have played for some appearance money at another club, in the same year he played at Ivanhoe, it breached ammo status. Even though the club had nothing to do with any of the TAS stuff and the game happened before the VAFA season started.
How it has been explained to me sounds like one of the most nonsensical overreaches in guideline application I have been told in my years of local football policy.
Chump
Willing to bet the Selwood thing would have been a different outcome had he been seeking to play for any of the aps/ags old boy sides
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It’s just pure insanity. As said above if you were part of premier A it would be a different storyWhat has been explained to us by the committee is that because he would have played for some appearance money at another club, in the same year he played at Ivanhoe, it breached ammo status. Even though the club had nothing to do with any of the TAS stuff and the game happened before the VAFA season started.
How it has been explained to me sounds like one of the most nonsensical overreaches in guideline application I have been told in my years of local football policy.
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Yet players can get paid to play VFL then come back to their Amateur club next week and that’s ok? Makes no sense at all!What has been explained to us by the committee is that because he would have played for some appearance money at another club, in the same year he played at Ivanhoe, it breached ammo status. Even though the club had nothing to do with any of the TAS stuff and the game happened before the VAFA season started.
How it has been explained to me sounds like one of the most nonsensical overreaches in guideline application I have been told in my years of local football policy.
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Or play for professional leagues up until June 30th, but cleared to play second half in VAFA
Chump
FWIW I’ve been told that Beaumaris have two recruits in the last week of June were from strong country clubs. I’m sure they were playing for nothing as well…..What has been explained to us by the committee is that because he would have played for some appearance money at another club, in the same year he played at Ivanhoe, it breached ammo status. Even though the club had nothing to do with any of the TAS stuff and the game happened before the VAFA season started.
How it has been explained to me sounds like one of the most nonsensical overreaches in guideline application I have been told in my years of local football policy.
Chump
The influx of paid metro and country players before the June 30 deadline happens every year. I went and watched a D3 game on Saturday and was told that Elsternwick had two or three cross over from St Kilda City.
Makes the Ivanhoe decision even more bizarre.
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James Magner too, I'm sure he was playing for zero dollars at St Kilda City and some other country club he was playing at.
I remember circa 2014 or 2015, Stephen Milne had played a couple of games up in the country and he wasn't given a permit by the VAFA to play a game that year at Beaumaris, which was interesting. I think the next year he ended up playing full-time at Beauy, but it is rather odd. I guess it's up to interpretation.
Todays Herald Sun
Ivanhoe, which joined the Victorian Amateur Football Association – then known as the Metropolitan league – in 1934, will hold a vote next week to decide its home for next season and beyond.
The Hoers will hold an extraordinary general meeting on Thursday, August 10, to vote on a move to the Northern Football Netball League.
Without school old boy affiliation, player retention and recruitment as well as travel are among the factors behind the potential move.
Ivanhoe president Peter Rawley said all members would have a chance to have their say on the club’s future.
“At the end of last year the committee was looking at forward planning and identified player retention and recruitment remained a challenge for us,” he said.
“We thought we’d explore different options, we created a sub-committee, and it investigated remaining in the VAFA, exploring joining the Northern and even a potential merge with another local club.
“Six or seven weeks ago that sub-committee recommended we explore the opportunity to join the Northern Football Netball League.”
Rawley said the club had done a lot of research on what it would take to move away from amateur football.
“One of the opportunities we don’t have currently in playing in the VAFA is the offer of renumeration.
“That’s going to take on different levels of us being an amateur club transitioning to a professional club, we understand that will be a slow process.
“We’ve talked to several other clubs about how they did that, Eltham Turtles, Banyule, even some people at Kilmore.
“We feel being able to reward players playing at our club, that could be match payments, incentives for best players or even merch and gear that we could supply, and all those are not permitted under VAFA rules.
“The other feedback we’ve got is the nature of local, in terms of the geography of teams.
“Should we go to Northern, there are teams a considerable distance, such as Kilmore and Kinglake, but … hopefully we’d move through the grades in time and the location would be appealing to players.
“Whereas the VAFA is across all metropolitan areas, this year we can find ourselves playing in Glen Eira, Murrumbeena, Oakleigh and down as far as the peninsula.
“We found that was a little bit of a stumbling block for attracting players that have always played in the Northern.
“That’s also about attracting coaches, volunteers, supporters to follow the team, members, staff and all that sort of thing.”
Ivanhoe is the VAFA’s ninth oldest continuous member.
It would be the third amateur club to join the NFNL since 2015 following Banyule and Old Eltham Collegians, while Kilmore (Riddell District) and Kinglake (Outer East) have also joined.
The Hoers have produced a host of VFL/AFL players since its inception in 1910, none bigger than the likes of Albert and Harry Collier.
VFL chief commissioner and Australian Football Hall of Famer Jack Hamilton, Brisbane Lions and Sydney CEO Andrew Ireland and legendary recruiter Neville Stibbard also started out at Ivanhoe Park.
After winning the Division 2 premiership last season, its first since 1969, Ivanhoe has endured a difficult 2023 in Division 1.
The club is facing relegation with just two wins, which would leave it in the VAFA’s fifth tier, while a move to the NFNL would likely see the Hoers enter in Division 3.
Despite the on-field struggles, Rawley says the club has never been better off off-field.
“Our club is in its strongest position in its 113 years,” he said.
“Over the last three years we’ve done a lot of work to get the football club in a strong position, long before any thought of going to the Northern.
“We wanted to make sure the club was in a position to fund elite coaching, have better facilities, equipment and all the rest of it to make us an attractive organisation.
“We have significant support from sponsors to continue supporting us financially whether we’re in the Northern or remain in the VAFA next year.”
A historic amateur club is considering a move to a new league for 2024
A historic amateur club will hold an extraordinary general meeting to vote on a potential move to a new league in 2024.Ivanhoe, which joined the Victorian Amateur Football Association – then known as the Metropolitan league – in 1934, will hold a vote next week to decide its home for next season and beyond.
The Hoers will hold an extraordinary general meeting on Thursday, August 10, to vote on a move to the Northern Football Netball League.
Without school old boy affiliation, player retention and recruitment as well as travel are among the factors behind the potential move.
Ivanhoe president Peter Rawley said all members would have a chance to have their say on the club’s future.
“At the end of last year the committee was looking at forward planning and identified player retention and recruitment remained a challenge for us,” he said.
“We thought we’d explore different options, we created a sub-committee, and it investigated remaining in the VAFA, exploring joining the Northern and even a potential merge with another local club.
“Six or seven weeks ago that sub-committee recommended we explore the opportunity to join the Northern Football Netball League.”
Rawley said the club had done a lot of research on what it would take to move away from amateur football.
“One of the opportunities we don’t have currently in playing in the VAFA is the offer of renumeration.
“That’s going to take on different levels of us being an amateur club transitioning to a professional club, we understand that will be a slow process.
“We’ve talked to several other clubs about how they did that, Eltham Turtles, Banyule, even some people at Kilmore.
“We feel being able to reward players playing at our club, that could be match payments, incentives for best players or even merch and gear that we could supply, and all those are not permitted under VAFA rules.
“The other feedback we’ve got is the nature of local, in terms of the geography of teams.
“Should we go to Northern, there are teams a considerable distance, such as Kilmore and Kinglake, but … hopefully we’d move through the grades in time and the location would be appealing to players.
“Whereas the VAFA is across all metropolitan areas, this year we can find ourselves playing in Glen Eira, Murrumbeena, Oakleigh and down as far as the peninsula.
“We found that was a little bit of a stumbling block for attracting players that have always played in the Northern.
“That’s also about attracting coaches, volunteers, supporters to follow the team, members, staff and all that sort of thing.”
Ivanhoe is the VAFA’s ninth oldest continuous member.
It would be the third amateur club to join the NFNL since 2015 following Banyule and Old Eltham Collegians, while Kilmore (Riddell District) and Kinglake (Outer East) have also joined.
The Hoers have produced a host of VFL/AFL players since its inception in 1910, none bigger than the likes of Albert and Harry Collier.
VFL chief commissioner and Australian Football Hall of Famer Jack Hamilton, Brisbane Lions and Sydney CEO Andrew Ireland and legendary recruiter Neville Stibbard also started out at Ivanhoe Park.
After winning the Division 2 premiership last season, its first since 1969, Ivanhoe has endured a difficult 2023 in Division 1.
The club is facing relegation with just two wins, which would leave it in the VAFA’s fifth tier, while a move to the NFNL would likely see the Hoers enter in Division 3.
Despite the on-field struggles, Rawley says the club has never been better off off-field.
“Our club is in its strongest position in its 113 years,” he said.
“Over the last three years we’ve done a lot of work to get the football club in a strong position, long before any thought of going to the Northern.
“We wanted to make sure the club was in a position to fund elite coaching, have better facilities, equipment and all the rest of it to make us an attractive organisation.
“We have significant support from sponsors to continue supporting us financially whether we’re in the Northern or remain in the VAFA next year.”
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